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Post by thestinger on Dec 12, 2007 18:34:24 GMT -5
I'm sure you have no problem whatsoever with the product as is... but for every one person who will back TNA no matter what, there's 6 others who will criticize it for even the smallest of mistakes. Oh, believe me, TNA could be much better. I also think TNA was a lot worse earlier this year. I would like to see fewer run-ins and screwjob finishes. There are five people on the roster I consider to be a complete waste of time (VKM, Team 3D, Dustin Rhodes). I loved the company in 2005 and 2006 when Scott D'Amore, Mike Tenay and Jarrett were booking. When the new/current booking team took over, TNA really stunk for a while. That's when impact matches became 3 minutes, run-ins became excessive and gimmick matches became too frequent. It's gotten a LOT better since then. Jarrett supposedly put his foot down around Slammiversarry and said he wanted longer matches on TV. But I feel like guys like Christian, Joe, Sabin, Lethal, Shelley and AJ really work their butts off. It's not their fault the booking leaves a lot to be desired, so I support them however I can.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 12, 2007 18:35:32 GMT -5
You guys are losing this argument with thestinger until you can provide proof on TNAs buyrates and not breaking even. Lance Storm is not proof. Lance Storm was paid by the WWE to sit at home because they cannot come up with anything creative for him (the only man to do that was Vince Russo) and they pay him to write these columns about TNA and take shots about false problems. And you have proof of all this how? Ah yes, the tinfoil hat on your head, of course.
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Post by slasher911 on Dec 12, 2007 18:43:54 GMT -5
You guys are losing this argument with thestinger until you can provide proof on TNAs buyrates and not breaking even. Lance Storm is not proof. Lance Storm was paid by the WWE to sit at home because they cannot come up with anything creative for him (the only man to do that was Vince Russo) and they pay him to write these columns about TNA and take shots about false problems. Was he the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll too?
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Post by metylerca on Dec 12, 2007 18:44:27 GMT -5
I'm sure you have no problem whatsoever with the product as is... but for every one person who will back TNA no matter what, there's 6 others who will criticize it for even the smallest of mistakes. Oh, believe me, TNA could be much better. I also think TNA was a lot worse earlier this year. I would like to see fewer run-ins and screwjob finishes. There are five people on the roster I consider to be a complete waste of time (VKM, Team 3D, Dustin Rhodes). I loved the company in 2005 and 2006 when Scott D'Amore, Mike Tenay and Jarrett were booking. When the new/current booking team took over, TNA really stunk for a while. That's when impact matches became 3 minutes, run-ins became excessive and gimmick matches became too frequent. It's gotten a LOT better since then. Jarrett supposedly put his foot down around Slammiversarry and said he wanted longer matches on TV. But I feel like guys like Christian, Joe, Sabin, Lethal, Shelley and AJ really work their butts off. It's not their fault the booking leaves a lot to be desired, so I support them however I can. I also am in the camp who loved TNA 2005, and I liked it in 2006 for the most part, but still throw on Final Resolution 2005 for the Ultimate X and Tag Title matches.. ALOT of the TNA bashing comes from those 3 minute matches with run-ins from Raven, Abyss, Sting, Norman Smiley, Tom Brady, Bea Arthur, and maybe even someone on the roster we cared about that got wasted. I still think they should have let Killings go when he originally quit, rather than, you know... tagging him with a football player who had no business in the company. And yes, the booking leaves maybe too much to be desired, I can recall a time in the company where it was simple, and people were still satisfied with the product. I liked TNA way more than WWE in early 2005 before Wrestlemania 21 came to LA... and I can't recall seeing too many bad things on an hour long episode of Impact. They even managed to make Sean Waltman watchable for me, and I don't like the guy that much. If they were to book with the best interest of the company in mind, like before, there would be way less TNA bashing out there.
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Post by voiceboxisback on Dec 12, 2007 18:46:46 GMT -5
He gets paid $1000 per blog he makes up about TNAWrestling. I read it on the old WCWHOTRUMORS website.. they have never been wrong. Didn't WCWHotrumors ceased existing in 2002-2003ish? Why are you still on these boards? No one cares about your dumb stories.
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Post by machinegun on Dec 12, 2007 18:49:26 GMT -5
Wow, the retard one was reaal?
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 12, 2007 18:50:52 GMT -5
Holy Crap! We agree on something! TNA depends too much on the fans to help get the word out. They need to spend some money on advertisement , not street teams with flyers and stickers. The early Street Teamers sucked cause they were in it for themselves and not their job. They need to advertise. Hell, WWE had their XV anniversary advertising up the wazoo! I saw commercials on TV on a bunch of channels, frequently, and a bunch of ads on this forum and a bunch more. I ever heard an ad for it on a local Spanish radio station! UFC has a bunch of commercials for their PPVs and ever has a billboard near my town that advertises the next PPV main event. TNA needs to advertisement, cause it's very, very important. Yeah, the world just stopped revolving .. but really, if they were to capitalize on what they already have, and instead of venturing with unmarketable endeavors ala 'TNAU or TNA Street Team', and instead maybe buying up 20 second spots on primetime network TV, like I have seen WWE do on NBC many of times, they'd get way more exposure. I'm not sure who the parent company to Spike is... I think CBS , but i'm sure it wouldn't hurt to put on a commercial for TNA in between ads for air freshener and Pine Sol. But even the advertising would only get them so far, because even if they got the exposure, they would need to step up big time in providing a show that will keep attention week in, week out. My main gripe is the way Impact is booked on many occasions. You may not agree that free-tv squash matches and saving the gimmick matches for PPV's are the way to go, but it's a proven method. People hardly remember the Raw Roulette ladder match from 2002 which kicked 283 types of ass.... but they do remember the Money in the Bank matches that were built up to be huge things in the eyes of fans, simply because it got the right build up and exposure. If TNA saved gimmick matches, or at least built them up to be important, then we wouldn't need to create a new variation of the street fight for PPV just because they used one up on Impact a couple of weeks ago. Well, first, they need advertisement and see how far that goes before getting into the matter of "What needs fixing". see how far they can go with that, and how much the booking matters.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 12, 2007 19:14:48 GMT -5
sorry 'bout your damn luck
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Post by TheKillShot on Dec 12, 2007 19:24:40 GMT -5
To resolve the conflict brought about by this, I suggest we invite Lance Storm here. Make him somewhat of a contributor.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 12, 2007 19:32:45 GMT -5
To resolve the conflict brought about by this, I suggest we invite Lance Storm here. Make him somewhat of a contributor. Why not a race around the world?
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Post by hollywood on Dec 12, 2007 19:35:12 GMT -5
To resolve the conflict brought about by this, I suggest we invite Lance Storm here. Make him somewhat of a contributor. He was on the radio show some time back, wasn't he?
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Post by metylerca on Dec 12, 2007 19:35:28 GMT -5
Yeah, the world just stopped revolving .. but really, if they were to capitalize on what they already have, and instead of venturing with unmarketable endeavors ala 'TNAU or TNA Street Team', and instead maybe buying up 20 second spots on primetime network TV, like I have seen WWE do on NBC many of times, they'd get way more exposure. I'm not sure who the parent company to Spike is... I think CBS , but i'm sure it wouldn't hurt to put on a commercial for TNA in between ads for air freshener and Pine Sol. But even the advertising would only get them so far, because even if they got the exposure, they would need to step up big time in providing a show that will keep attention week in, week out. My main gripe is the way Impact is booked on many occasions. You may not agree that free-tv squash matches and saving the gimmick matches for PPV's are the way to go, but it's a proven method. People hardly remember the Raw Roulette ladder match from 2002 which kicked 283 types of ass.... but they do remember the Money in the Bank matches that were built up to be huge things in the eyes of fans, simply because it got the right build up and exposure. If TNA saved gimmick matches, or at least built them up to be important, then we wouldn't need to create a new variation of the street fight for PPV just because they used one up on Impact a couple of weeks ago. Well, first, they need advertisement and see how far that goes before getting into the matter of "What needs fixing". see how far they can go with that, and how much the booking matters. I see what you mean, because maybe there is a crowd who actually likes gimmick matches all the time... but I don't see why they shouldn't do both at once, it's not too much to ask of the booking team, even with Russo and Abyss on it. Fixing what really needs attention, and getting exposure to newer markets can be done together to provide a better overall product.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 12, 2007 19:37:03 GMT -5
BTW, Spike is owned by Viacom, not CBS.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 12, 2007 19:47:33 GMT -5
TNARick has to be a gimmick account, that's the only explanation.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 12, 2007 20:05:47 GMT -5
Storm does have a point about having far too much goofiness and gimmickry in TNA. Some guys, like Petey Williams, don't need a gimmick to get themselves over. Petey had the Canadian Destroyer and Scott D'Amore as a manager, and that's all he needed. Now he's the "Maple Leaf Muscle", a lame gimmick that he doesn't need. Same with Sonjay Dutt. People don't watch Impact to see him act like a hippie peacenik. They watch to see him fly and do his amazing athletic ringwork. I almost forgot how fun it was to watch Dutt in action until that tag team streetfight two weeks ago.
TNA needs to slow down on the constant comedy and just let the wrestlers wrestle.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 12, 2007 20:16:17 GMT -5
TNARick has to be a gimmick account, that's the only explanation. Nah, I think he's just being facetious by making up his own arguments about Lance Storm to prove his point that just because he says something doesn't make it true. If not that, than he's either an idiot or a gimmick.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 12, 2007 20:17:13 GMT -5
TNARick has to be a gimmick account, that's the only explanation. Nah, I think he's just being facetious by making up his own arguments about Lance Storm to prove his point that just because he says something doesn't make it true. If not that, than he's either an idiot or a gimmick. He's a gimmidiot.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 12, 2007 20:17:38 GMT -5
Storm does have a point about having far too much goofiness and gimmickry in TNA. Some guys, like Petey Williams, don't need a gimmick to get themselves over. Petey had the Canadian Destroyer and Scott D'Amore as a manager, and that's all he needed. Now he's the "Maple Leaf Muscle", a lame gimmick that he doesn't need. Same with Sonjay Dutt. People don't watch Impact to see him act like a hippie peacenik. They watch to see him fly and do his amazing athletic ringwork. I almost forgot how fun it was to watch Dutt in action until that tag team streetfight two weeks ago. TNA needs to slow down on the constant comedy and just let the wrestlers wrestle. Well, since D'amore left, Petey only had a move, and I think being defined by your finisher isn't gonna last for long. At least with the gimmick, it gives him a chance to showcase his charisma. Plus, I don't think it's a comedy gimmick at all.Cracking a joke during a promo doesn't make it a comedy character. If it gets him on TV, then good for it.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 12, 2007 20:43:15 GMT -5
Storm does have a point about having far too much goofiness and gimmickry in TNA. Some guys, like Petey Williams, don't need a gimmick to get themselves over. Petey had the Canadian Destroyer and Scott D'Amore as a manager, and that's all he needed. Now he's the "Maple Leaf Muscle", a lame gimmick that he doesn't need. Same with Sonjay Dutt. People don't watch Impact to see him act like a hippie peacenik. They watch to see him fly and do his amazing athletic ringwork. I almost forgot how fun it was to watch Dutt in action until that tag team streetfight two weeks ago. TNA needs to slow down on the constant comedy and just let the wrestlers wrestle. Well, since D'amore left, Petey only had a move, and I think being defined by your finisher isn't gonna last for long. At least with the gimmick, it gives him a chance to showcase his charisma. Plus, I don't think it's a comedy gimmick at all.Cracking a joke during a promo doesn't make it a comedy character. If it gets him on TV, then good for it. I'm just hoping his gimmick won't limit his ringwork. Say instead of actually wrestling, he challenges his opponent to a pushup contest, or a deadlift contest. I don't want to see that. I want to see him wrestle. It's like what I mentioned with Sonjay Dutt. Since he's had the Guru gimmick, he appears on TV maybe once a month. Even in the FSN days, he was getting some airtime and wrestling in matches.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Dec 12, 2007 21:40:10 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, a Wrestling Promotion with a national TV slot and a significant financial backer is booking itself into oblivion, and it's all Lance Storm's fault for pointing it out?
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