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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Dec 13, 2007 6:50:10 GMT -5
That is still pretty young. They had not seen huge pushes and great characters yet in their careers and luckily Vince Russo gave it to them. The main events featured Jarrett,Nash,Steiner,Booker T, Sting, Goldberg, The Cat.. and everyone else from top to bottom of the card was doing something interesting. The Jung Dragons to 3 Count, to The Filthy Animals with Disco infero the cruiserweight division was no longer boring to watch. The tag division with Kronik was great, Vampiro and the dark army with ICP, Muta, The Demon were awesome. Mike Sanders and the Natural Born Thrillers were hilarious. Lance Storm got the biggest push of his career winning 3 belts and having Team Canada with Elix Skipper and Hacksaw Jim Duggan and kidnapping Major Gunns from the fun characters of the Misfits in Action. WCW 2000 gets ragged on when in reality anyone who actually watched every episode without reading the internet LOVED IT. Yes people loved it so much that millions of them stopped watching in the space of a couple of years! Am I wasting my time getting into a debate with you, it seems no matter what I say your going to disagree! Kronik were awful, WCW had some great, great talent perhaps too much as similar to TNA today they tried to give everyone a gimmick and the show ended up an over booked mess!
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Post by tnarick on Dec 13, 2007 6:55:42 GMT -5
WCW Lost its audience in between Russo’s 3 months of booking at a time. Everytime they gave him a chance he got rid of the old stale guys and improved the ratings by bringing some fresh faces into the main event, which is ironic but that’s what the internet always wants.. Fresh faces. It was right in front of you yet you all complain about it.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 13, 2007 12:09:36 GMT -5
Wait, we're talking about Russo? Oh, I just can't let this conversation slip by without saying: Vince Russo is an idiot.
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Post by BlackJackRobby on Dec 13, 2007 12:19:46 GMT -5
TNA's biggest problem is that even with the little changes they try to be WWE V.2
WCW was on top of the rating heap, then when the ratings went down only a little bit. They panicked and copied WWE to the fullest, it killed them.
They have a better roster, but still a writer that is known as what the WWE was in it's prime.
Most of there stars are from the WWE in there prime.
They have to try to be differnt and then be differnt.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 13, 2007 12:26:08 GMT -5
Most of there stars are from the WWE in there prime. Angle, Christian and Booker are NOT 'most of' TNA stars. Interesting note on Russo: the "Fire Russo" chants originally broke out during the ridiculous "Abyss went to prison because someone shot his father" story. Nearly everyone seems to agree this is the dumbest TNA plot ever. Dixie Carter tried to claim that she didn't even think Vince was responsible for writing that angle. Guess what? At tonight's impact, guess what the one segment is that I saw Russo come out from the back and watch in person? Abyss and Jim Mitchell talking about his 'secret.'
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Post by hollywood on Dec 13, 2007 12:30:04 GMT -5
Most of there stars are from the WWE in there prime. Angle, Christian and Booker are NOT 'most of' TNA stars. Interesting note on Russo: the "Fire Russo" chants originally broke out during the ridiculous "Abyss went to prison because someone shot his father" story. Nearly everyone seems to agree this is the dumbest TNA plot ever. Dixie Carter tried to claim that she didn't even think Vince was responsible for writing that angle. Guess what? At tonight's impact, guess what the one segment is that I saw Russo come out from the back and watch in person? Abyss and Jim Mitchell talking about his 'secret.' Given all of Dixie's claims, Vince Russo is apparently paid to just stand around backstage drinking coffee.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 13, 2007 12:33:15 GMT -5
Given all of Dixie's claims, Vince Russo is apparently paid to just stand around backstage drinking coffee. She felt bad for him when the fans chanted for him to be fired, but Dixie still shouldn't have insulted our intelligence. This angle has "late 90s WWF" written all over it. Fans who were actually watching the WWF in the late 90s tell me it's a huge ripoff of the Undertaker and Kane storyline, where Taker supposedly had a huge 'secret' his former managers was going to expose.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 13, 2007 12:40:28 GMT -5
Given all of Dixie's claims, Vince Russo is apparently paid to just stand around backstage drinking coffee. She felt bad for him when the fans chanted for him to be fired, but Dixie still shouldn't have insulted our intelligence. This angle has "late 90s WWF" written all over it. Fans who were actually watching the WWF in the late 90s tell me it's a huge ripoff of the Undertaker and Kane storyline, where Taker supposedly had a huge 'secret' his former managers was going to expose. While it's not exactly a photocopy of that story, it's certainly similar in the over-the-top soap opera aspects.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 13, 2007 12:53:51 GMT -5
Wait, we're talking about Russo? Oh, I just can't let this conversation slip by without saying: Vince Russo is an idiot. just cause I want to make myself feel better, I'm going all Bill Mahr on you, son! New Rule: If you're gonna insult Russo, insult everyone else on the team too. Vince Russo has a history of doing a lot of things fans don't like. However, pinning all this on one individual is short sighted. It's like blaming Cleo Lemon for the Miami Dolphins sucking this season. It's a group effort to suck so much. Course, when your name is Lemon, I think it's suspicious *Laugh track* *turns around* Now, Vince Russo has been in TNA for about more than a year now. I can still remember when Petey Williams got the runs during a PPV. *Laugh Track* Still, there's been a lot of stuff that's happened. Things seemed to stay normal when Russo took over around No Surrender time. Papparazi Productions was still in full force. The Jackass Angle ended up winding down, and TNA had their first PPV out of Orando in a month. Life was good. Then, there seemed to be a lot of weird stuff that was happening. The James Gang, a middling midcard team, ended up waging war on a company that had no good ending. A few poles entered ringside, and, well, there was that DQ Title change. things still happened, with the James Gang, now know as the Voodoo Kin Maifa setting their sights on putting down women and saying that women were lower than me. Well, it's true, but you're not suppose to brag about it! *Laughs, and boos from women mixed in* Anyway, there has been a lot of crap that fans had to deal with. However, you can't blame it all on the feet of one man. Vince Russo is not the only man on that team. There is no I in team, after all. Although there is an I in "Got caught in a men's restroom having gay sex!" *Laugh Track* Russo is joined by fellow idiots Dutch mantell, Jeremy Borash, Mike Tenay, and deputy idiot Abyss. The Big Boss of the Brainless is Jeff Jarrett, the man who runs the whole show. He decides who gets the pushes, and who ends up as the tires on Kurt Angle's company car. *Laugh Track* These men have histories booking. Tenay was in the thick of it in WCW, and Dutch has that southern style. Jeff himself is the son of Jerry Jarrett, Mr. Big Shot Southern Booker himself. and, if I may remember someone once said, the southern style is very similar to iMPACT. Maybe I made it up, I was probably high. *Laugh Track* So, in conclusion, don't hate one man. hate them all! But hate Abyss more. i don't trust him and his radical S&M fetish ideas.... *Laugh track* *Credits Roll*
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 13, 2007 13:04:56 GMT -5
I think Storm is right about the conflict thing. Like, even if Joe vs Nash wasn't intended, they still could have went with it as a worked-shoot or whatever.
I think Storm as well, it was said he has no sense of humor. Humor is fine, but put it in the right spots, if you get what I'm saying.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 13, 2007 13:11:34 GMT -5
I think Storm is right about the conflict thing. Like, even if Joe vs Nash wasn't intended, they still could have went with it as a worked-shoot or whatever. But the night of Turning Point, when everyone was sure Joe's promo was a worked shoot, we had hundreds of thousands of posts from fans saying they hate worked shoots. Now you are saying TNA should have 'went with it?' It seems everyone hates those kinds of stories since Russo in WCW (although Heyman had those in ECW and nobody complained). I reiterate my earlier statement, Storm and Alvarez shouldn't blame TNA for not resolving the Nash/Joe conflict because they didn't book it!
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Post by britishbulldog on Dec 13, 2007 13:26:43 GMT -5
Here is my take on Tna. they have some great talent. Most of that talent is in the x division. This is what put TNA on the map. Why abandon it? Yes Angle,Christian are great hands. But for me I would rather see someone like Joe,AJ,Sabin on top of the fed. I wish both TNA and WWE would go back to storylines like I want your belt, or I don't like you I am going to kick your teeth down your throat. Are they simple? YES. Do they work? Absolutely
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 13, 2007 13:30:40 GMT -5
I think Storm is right about the conflict thing. Like, even if Joe vs Nash wasn't intended, they still could have went with it as a worked-shoot or whatever. But the night of Turning Point, when everyone was sure Joe's promo was a worked shoot, we had hundreds of thousands of posts from fans saying they hate worked shoots. Now you are saying TNA should have 'went with it?' It seems everyone hates those kinds of stories since Russo in WCW (although Heyman had those in ECW and nobody complained). I reiterate my earlier statement, Storm and Alvarez shouldn't blame TNA for not resolving the Nash/Joe conflict because they didn't book it! Personally, I like them if they're done right. I felt the Hardy/Edge thing was done decently (they had to put Edge over in the end because he was higher up on the card), and it just depends if its done right. Don't have Joe lay down because he was told to, making it look fake. At Impact, they talk about the backstage altercation between the two (of course take out the part where Nash makes Joe look like a punk), and then bring it up on Impact. Have Mike Tenay do a sit down interview with Joe, and Joe talks about how frustrated he's been with guys like Nash, Hall and others coming in, and then doing no shows (which even happened with Sean Waltman, maybe bring that name up). And when he heard that, he couldn't believe it happened again. Next week, get Nash's comments. Have him say that he thought what Joe said was out of line, and didn't know what Scott may've been going through and that he shouldn't question his passion, because he's wrestling with bad wheels. It's then announced it will be Joe vs Nash at the pay per view, and that week, have Joe and Nash come out with an in ring interview together, and Scott Hall comes in from behind and levels Joe. Hall cuts a promo on Joe, talks about how he had to work so rough schedules, and these punk kids don't know what wrestling is anymore, and bury the locker room and bury the younger talent (in the right way of course, like, have them lie and such). Next week, Nash and Hall cut an in ring promo about how they can take the show to the top, and that TNA needs big money makers like them, and people like Joe have been holding TNA back. Joe comes out, big smooze. Cornette announces Joe and a tag team partner of his choosing vs Hall and Nash. He chooses Eric Young again, and talks about how he still wants that main event shot. Hall and Nash go over by cheating, attacking Young with a chair or something behind the ref's back after Joe and Young bump Hall and Nash around. Pay per view, Joe over Nash via DQ. Hall enters, attacks Joe. Beat down on Joe. On Impact, Cornette says, oh Hall, you seem to want Joe so badly, how about you vs Joe at the next pay per view. Build up that pay per view, Hall does the job (as he always does), go back into Nash vs Joe for another few weeks, build to that, and Joe goes over on Nash (I doubt he would have a problem with it, especially since I read that he wanted Joe in TNA, but again, it might not be true). I just did a small overview booking of 3 months and 3 pay per view matches, with a huge conflict that people can relate too. And two of the pay per views have clean finishes, so the fans don't feel robbed.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 13, 2007 13:37:10 GMT -5
Other than the dirt sheets, and TNA Mobile, who really knew about the conflict Joe had with Nash? Why do a worked shoot instead of, apparently, easing into it as they might be doing?
Lance seems like he's one of the guys who prefers the pro wrestling side of the business to the sports entertainment version. Whatever, it's fine. However, he does seem to go over the top sometimes(His first line from last week or so was so laughably bad. I can imagine him getting all drama queenish at the keyboard) and some of his complaints are wrong or misinformed. That's my only complaint with him, unless he thinks the people who enjoy it are stupid, then you can add that. I prefer the silly side, he likes the serious side. Some guys are gonna enjoy the Thanksgiving skit, and others are gonna bash it to hell. I don't think TNA has ever had the seriousness that people want from it.
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