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Post by The Wraith on Mar 31, 2008 18:52:06 GMT -5
big show is 7 feet tall and 5000 pounds and floy mayweather isnt even a wrestler but he won? this it makes no sense. i dont think he can pin ric flair so if they wrestle again in match that is hell in a cell i take big show to chokeslam him off the hood of the cage. |
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Post by samachine on Mar 31, 2008 18:52:09 GMT -5
On the subject, I just saw the match and I've got to say..
Mayweather did the BEST you could get out of that match.
An undefeated boxed isn't giong to job in a fake sport, that would be incredibly stupid, incredibly. What they did was build Big show as a legit threat without having Mayweather lose. Mayweather had to cheat to beat him, and played off the heel persona without complaining.
Anyone who thought Show was going to actually win, I've got a bridge to sell you
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Post by Joekishi on Mar 31, 2008 19:18:05 GMT -5
seriously all this did do was make me an even bigger mayweather fan.
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Post by Mac on Mar 31, 2008 19:19:56 GMT -5
On the subject, I just saw the match and I've got to say.. Mayweather did the BEST you could get out of that match. An undefeated boxed isn't giong to job in a fake sport, that would be incredibly stupid, incredibly. What they did was build Big show as a legit threat without having Mayweather lose. Mayweather had to cheat to beat him, and played off the heel persona without complaining. Anyone who thought Show was going to actually win, I've got a bridge to sell you E-Mail me any info on said bridge. |
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Post by ghettooverlord on Mar 31, 2008 19:49:51 GMT -5
My only question is whether the WBC will recognize Mayweather's record of 40-0.  |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Mar 31, 2008 19:50:56 GMT -5
Mayweather did a great job and had a great reputation from the people in the back. Apparently the only people who hated Mayweather were marks and people who, for whatever reason, hated him because of his skin color.
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Post by Jtre on Mar 31, 2008 23:33:38 GMT -5
I agree with the guy above. The "real" hatred for Mayweather on here seems to come from a place far deeper than most heat that heels get.
In reality, it almost seemed like many of the, presumably, white posters had a disdain for Mayweather strictly because he is a successful Black man making a ton of money. It falls in line with the Right to Entitlement theory.
I would like to point out two things in regards to the comments I made about the people's views of Floyd Mayweather and the Stuart Scott thread:
1) At no point did I say the people calling Scott and idiot were racist. I said the idiot opinion probably stemmed mostly from the color of his skin, because there is really no other reason for people to have such an opinion about him. All of those who responded just cried out that they were not racist. Feeling of guilt, I suppose.
2) This is more of a question, but why is the first response to any comment that makes people question their own prejudices is to tell about the Blacks they like or the whites they don't? Just tell me why you don't like him, like the guy who said it was because of his eye or because he is a bad sports commentator (even though that isn't actually what he does for a living).
For some reason, a comparison was made between Stuart Scott, a sports anchor, and Carlos Mencia, a comedian, in one post. I still haven't quite figured that one out.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Mar 31, 2008 23:49:52 GMT -5
big show is 7 feet tall and 5000 pounds and floy mayweather isnt even a wrestler but he won? this it makes no sense. i dont think he can pin ric flair so if they wrestle again in match that is hell in a cell i take big show to chokeslam him off the hood of the cage. doytch you right. big Show is to bigger and strong to loose to a small person like that without the cheats. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 31, 2008 23:51:53 GMT -5
big show is 7 feet tall and 5000 pounds and floy mayweather isnt even a wrestler but he won? this it makes no sense. i dont think he can pin ric flair so if they wrestle again in match that is hell in a cell i take big show to chokeslam him off the hood of the cage. doytch you right. big Show is to bigger and strong to loose to a small person like that without the cheats. When ISN'T doytch right? |
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Post by crusherhogan on Mar 31, 2008 23:54:17 GMT -5
I agree with the guy above. The "real" hatred for Mayweather on here seems to come from a place far deeper than most heat that heels get. In reality, it almost seemed like many of the, presumably, white posters had a disdain for Mayweather strictly because he is a successful Black man making a ton of money. It falls in line with the Right to Entitlement theory. I would like to point out two things in regards to the comments I made about the people's views of Floyd Mayweather and the Stuart Scott thread: 1) At no point did I say the people calling Scott and idiot were racist. I said the idiot opinion probably stemmed mostly from the color of his skin, because there is really no other reason for people to have such an opinion about him. All of those who responded just cried out that they were not racist. Feeling of guilt, I suppose. 2) This is more of a question, but why is the first response to any comment that makes people question their own prejudices is to tell about the Blacks they like or the whites they don't? Just tell me why you don't like him, like the guy who said it was because of his eye or because he is a bad sports commentator (even though that isn't actually what he does for a living). For some reason, a comparison was made between Stuart Scott, a sports anchor, and Carlos Mencia, a comedian, in one post. I still haven't quite figured that one out. Why are you so hell-bent on bringing race into this? Your post raises a few questions.  1) Why assume that these posters were White? BTW, I noticed you capitalized "Blacks," but not "Whites." I don't know if that was intentional. 2) If race is a factor in Mayweather's heat from some posters here in Wrestlecrap, is it also a factor in heat that Mayweather has gotten on other wrestling forums, as well as boxing forums? How about the heat he's gotten from fans in the audience every week on Raw leading up to Wrestlemania? How about all the boos he received in New York City at the press conference? Were all those people White racists and the occasional few Uncle Toms thrown in? 3) If Blacks aren't appreciated by pro wrestling fans why is The Rock one of the most popular wrestlers ever? Why are "Soul Man" Rocky Johnson, Tony Atlas, Junkyard Dog, Ron Simmons, Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd and Bobo Brazil considered legends? Why does Booker T main event in TNA? Why was Cryme Tyme's return to Raw tonight the subject of thread filled with positive posts in these forums? 4) Concerning Stuart Scott being an idiot, why assume people, "have no other reason for people to have such an opinion about him." I never heard of him so I don't have a negative opinion of him, but why accuse those who do of having a subconscious racial bias? So you're a fan of the man, that doesn't mean he's perfect and anyone who doesn't like him is a bad person. That's really immature if you think about it. You shouldn't make moral judgments on people based on which sportscasters they like. |
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Post by Jtre on Apr 1, 2008 0:29:09 GMT -5
I agree with the guy above. The "real" hatred for Mayweather on here seems to come from a place far deeper than most heat that heels get. In reality, it almost seemed like many of the, presumably, white posters had a disdain for Mayweather strictly because he is a successful Black man making a ton of money. It falls in line with the Right to Entitlement theory. I would like to point out two things in regards to the comments I made about the people's views of Floyd Mayweather and the Stuart Scott thread: 1) At no point did I say the people calling Scott and idiot were racist. I said the idiot opinion probably stemmed mostly from the color of his skin, because there is really no other reason for people to have such an opinion about him. All of those who responded just cried out that they were not racist. Feeling of guilt, I suppose. 2) This is more of a question, but why is the first response to any comment that makes people question their own prejudices is to tell about the Blacks they like or the whites they don't? Just tell me why you don't like him, like the guy who said it was because of his eye or because he is a bad sports commentator (even though that isn't actually what he does for a living). For some reason, a comparison was made between Stuart Scott, a sports anchor, and Carlos Mencia, a comedian, in one post. I still haven't quite figured that one out. Why are you so hell-bent on bringing race into this? Your post raises a few questions. 1) Why assume that these posters were White? BTW, I noticed you capitalized "Blacks," but not "Whites." I don't know if that was intentional. 2) If race is a factor in Mayweather's heat from some posters here in Wrestlecrap, is it also a factor in heat that Mayweather has gotten on other wrestling forums, as well as boxing forums? How about the heat he's gotten from fans in the audience every week on Raw leading up to Wrestlemania? How about all the boos he received in New York City at the press conference? Were all those people White racists and the occasional few Uncle Toms thrown in? 3) If Blacks aren't appreciated in pro wrestling why is The Rock one of the most popular wrestlers ever? Why are "Soul Man" Rocky Johnson, Tony Atlas, Junkyard Dog, Ron Simmons, Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd and Bobo Brazil considered legends? Why does Booker T main event in TNA? Why was Cryme Tyme's return to Raw tonight the subject of thread filled with positive posts in these forums? 4) Concerning Stuart Scott being an idiot, why assume people, "have no other reason for people to have such an opinion about him." I never heard of him so I don't have a negative opinion of him, but why accuse those who do of having a subconscious racial bias? So you're a fan of the man, that doesn't mean he's perfect and anyone who doesn't like him is a bad person. That's really immature if you think about. You shouldn't make moral judgments on people based on which sportscasters they like. I'll answer all your questions. For the record, I'm not the person who brought race into it. I have just noticed, as have others, some of the statements of people here. 1) A couple of the posts in the WM thread were obviously Caucasian. Most notably the guy who said something to the effect of, "If I said what I really thought it would sound racist," in regards to Mayweather getting what's coming to him and those who responded with something like, "Why would anybody think that?" Again, I said presumably, but I would be willing to wager the posters in question were white. What do you think? As for the capitalization of "Black" while lower-casing of "white," it is a habit from college. I believe AP style dictated "Black" be capitalized due to it being the actual race. At least that's how I remember it. 2) Never said that people booing Mayweather was due to racist inclinations, but it is hard not to notice the racial polarization of crowds during his actual fights when he has fought Ricky Hatten, Oscar De La Hoya and Arturo Gatti. For the record, I don't think people booing Mayweather during the performance of the match, the build-up or any other time is anything more than booing the heel. It is the people who come on discussion boards, with their supposed knowledge of the inner-workings of the business, and spew hate-filled diatribes toward a guy with a good backstage reputation who I think are basing their feelings on race. 3) At no point did I say Blacks weren't appreciated in pro wrestling, so I don't know where that comes from. The list you compiled was pretty interesting, though. Out of those you named, the only one who would probably crack anyone's all-time Top 30 list of biggest stars was the one who, to paraphrase what Booker T said several years ago, would not exactly strike anyone as a "Mandingo Warrior." Most of the others had very stereotypical roles that played up the type of Black characters that make whites feel comfortable, i.e. happy-go-lucky, chittlin' eatin' JYD or Cryme Tyme. 4) I wasn't making a moral judgment on someone because they don't like Stuart Scott. I simply stated that, living in America, it is hard not to think that a white person calling a professional, educated Black man "an idiot" has absolutely nothing to do with race. As I learned, it had to do with his eye. |
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Post by crusherhogan on Apr 1, 2008 3:13:56 GMT -5
1) I have to respectively disagree with you that racial animosity has played much of a role in Mayweather's negative reception. I think mostly it had do with poor mic skills. He was obviously being groomed to be a face by associating with Rey Mysterio and coming to his aid after Big Show's attack. He did the unpardonable sin of boring the audience. Things got worse when he confronted Big Show with a posse behind him. That turned the crowd more against him since in wrestling only cowardly heels do that. His cocky persona further alienated him since the fans had already made up their mind about him. This has nothing to do with wrestling and its really nerdy, but blacks and whites technically shouldn't be capitalized. Both terms are too vague. African-American, Caucasian, Jewish, Hispanic, etc. get capitalized. 2) I won't argue there's some racial animosity in boxing. There's always a Great White Hope match every few years that the media exploits. Truth be told though, Mayweather and his uncle have been known to poke fun at their Hispanic opponents in an effort to rile them up, which many fans find offensive. 3) Many of the black stars may not be top 30 material, but they do have an important place in wrestling history. I'm guessing your "Mandigo warrior" reference is to The Rock. I know he is bi-racial, but I think African-Americans (as well as Samoans) can claim him as their own. I won't argue with you on Cryme Tyme 4) There's too much hyperbole in saying that it's hard not to think someone is racist when they call a professional who happens to be black an "idiot." Racism is a strong accusation that shouldn't be thrown around lightly. Idiot is such non-racial term that I'm confused on how that stuck a cord with you. |
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Post by Jtre on Apr 1, 2008 7:31:46 GMT -5
1) I have to respectively disagree with you that racial animosity has played much of a role in Mayweather's negative reception. I think mostly it had do with poor mic skills. He was obviously being groomed to be a face by associating with Rey Mysterio and coming to his aid after Big Show's attack. He did the unpardonable sin of boring the audience. Things got worse when he confronted Big Show with a posse behind him. That turned the crowd more against him since in wrestling only cowardly heels do that. His cocky persona further alienated him since the fans had already made up their mind about him. This has nothing to do with wrestling and its really nerdy, but blacks and whites technically shouldn't be capitalized. Both terms are too vague. African-American, Caucasian, Jewish, Hispanic, etc. get capitalized. 2) I won't argue there's some racial animosity in boxing. There's always a Great White Hope match every few years that the media exploits. Truth be told though, Mayweather and his uncle have been known to poke fun at their Hispanic opponents in an effort to rile them up, which many fans find offensive. 3) Many of the black stars may not be top 30 material, but they do have an important place in wrestling history. I'm guessing your "Mandigo warrior" reference is to The Rock. I know he is bi-racial, but I think African-Americans (as well as Samoans) can claim him as their own. I won't argue with you on Cryme Tyme 4) There's too much hyperbole in saying that it's hard not to think someone is racist when they call a professional who happens to be black an "idiot." Racism is a strong accusation that shouldn't be thrown around lightly. Idiot is such non-racial term that I'm confused on how that stuck a cord with you. 1) When bringing up the animosity on boards for Mayweather, I was mostly referring to the tone of many of the posts about him, Not the "BOO!!! YOU SUCK!!!" chants from fans at the shows. 2) Nothing to really add here, as boxing has always been filled with racial undercurrents. Floyd wearing a sombrero to the ring for his fight with Oscar definitely wasn't the most PC thing in the world. 3) I definitely agree that Rock is claimed by the Black and Samoan communities, as he should be. My statement was made to illustrate that it was easier for him to gain huge popularity with mostly white audiences because the first thing people say when they see him is not "BLACK GUY." 4) Idiot was not a racial term, but again when I hear things said like that about a professional person of color with a spotless image and great success, it is hard not to question someone's reason for such a statement. |
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Post by thesunbeast on Apr 1, 2008 7:46:54 GMT -5
Snoop Dog got cheered to death by the same crowd. End of discussion.
Being bi-racial myself and having been forced my whole entire life with racial issue after racial issue, I could have had much more intelligent things to say about this, but I just didn't feel it to be necessary.
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Post by MCMGM on Apr 1, 2008 9:22:50 GMT -5
Oh boy. No one said anything about it being a 'lovefest', I asked if you didn't like it, why bother commenting in a thread where people did? Why not go to one of the others ones where people are bashing it and go at it. That was mostly for the people who have been complaining about the match long before it started and those who are still bitching about it long after it ended. Sorry. I re-read the OP and realize what your saying. No problem. |
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Post by Jtre on Apr 1, 2008 9:55:11 GMT -5
Snoop Dog got cheered to death by the same crowd. End of discussion. Being bi-racial myself and having been forced my whole entire life with racial issue after racial issue, I could have had much more intelligent things to say about this, but I just didn't feel it to be necessary. Again, I have to re-state since apparently no one has read anything in any of my posts dealing with this, at no point have I been talking about people booing him in the arena. The people I have referred to were those like the poster in the WM thread who said if he gave his real feeling on Mayweather he would be labeled a racist. |
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Post by thesunbeast on Apr 1, 2008 10:19:49 GMT -5
Snoop Dog got cheered to death by the same crowd. End of discussion. Being bi-racial myself and having been forced my whole entire life with racial issue after racial issue, I could have had much more intelligent things to say about this, but I just didn't feel it to be necessary. Again, I have to re-state since apparently no one has read anything in any of my posts dealing with this, at no point have I been talking about people booing him in the arena. The people I have referred to were those like the poster in the WM thread who said if he gave his real feeling on Mayweather he would be labeled a racist. Yeah, I read the posts. What makes you think I was referring directly to you? I do, for the record, believe that there's not much of a difference between "sounding" racist and "being" racist. Most of the time if somene's real thoughts sound racist, it's because they are racist. Not that I'm accusing anyone of anything, why I said most of the time. I was referring to the whole conversation in general and the arguments made by everyone, concluding with the notion that people don't hate Mayweathor because of his race, reguardless of who, where, and why. |
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