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Post by godson on Jan 2, 2008 20:40:06 GMT -5
It's too late, TNA has found their niche and not going to change. Their ratings is good enough for Spike. They have two hours and is a tax write off for Panda. They will always be cheap and not pay their wrestlers to the full capabilities because they know these guys will do anything for a buck. They not going to change and I doubt they ever will.
I haven't brought a TNA ppv since 2005 Lockdown. I watch the ppvs LIVE for free online because what's the point of buying the shows. I download the DVD's online for free.
I'm at the point that I don't even feel like watching Impact anymore. I would rather support products such as ROH and the NWA because they entertain me.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 2, 2008 23:20:09 GMT -5
To me, WWE is the minor leagues and if you expressed that opinion to anybody in the industry theyd laugh their ass off at you, nobody whos working their way up through the indies and paying their dues dreams of one day making it to TNA, the pinnacle of success in pro wrestling is the wwe whether your blind hate can let you acknowledge it or not Angle vs. Sting was cool because it was a sort of 'dream match' that nobody ever expected to see when they were world champions of rival companies during the Monday night wars. im not sure when you got into wrestling but wwe had pretty much won the monday night wars before kurts first title reign and wcw folded before all his other reigns, at no point were sting and kurt ever champions at the same time and nobody was really dreaming of that match back then
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Jan 2, 2008 23:24:04 GMT -5
Pwned there.
I love the younger "fans" that claim to know it all when they weren't even alive during some of the best parts of wrestling.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 2, 2008 23:27:32 GMT -5
You know...I'd have considered Sting/Angle match a Dream match.
Main Stream WCW Main Eventer v. Main Stream WWE Main Eventer
Works for me.
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Post by thestinger on Jan 2, 2008 23:31:41 GMT -5
and if you expressed that opinion to anybody in the industry theyd laugh their ass off at you, Really? Even guys like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe who chose to sign with TNA? What about guys who left WWE just to come to TNA like Booker T, Angle and Christian? I don't think you know what the smurf you're talking about. the wwe whether your blind hate can let you acknowledge it or not Blind hate? Explain yourself, right now. Where have I expressed any kind of hate, much less 'blind' hate. I assure you can't point to anything, as I reserve my hate for people not associated with the freaking wrestling industry. I don't know if you always talk out of your ass, but you certainly don't know anything about me.
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Post by thestinger on Jan 2, 2008 23:44:44 GMT -5
Pwned there. I love the younger "fans" that claim to know it all when they weren't even alive during some of the best parts of wrestling. Really, because I just looked it up, and he was wrong. Angle's first title reign was NOT after WCW folded. It was in 2000. So Angle and Sting were both world champions of rival companies during the Monday Night Wars. Like I said. I never once said it was at the same time -- HE added that part. And I'm 29.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 2, 2008 23:49:56 GMT -5
Really? Even guys like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe who chose to sign with TNA? What about guys who left WWE just to come to TNA like Booker T, Angle and Christian? I don't think you know what the smurf you're talking about. yeah samoe joe never wanted to be in wwe, thats why he went on jakked in 2001 right? and angle only left because he wanted a lighter workload and booker and christian both left because they were pissed at the company and were being mis-used aside from that, if the only people you can point to who 'might' say that TNA is the big leagues, are employees of TNA, that proves my point right there Really, because I just looked it up, and he was wrong. Angle's first title reign was NOT after WCW folded. It was in 2000. So Angle and Sting were both world champions of rival companies during the Monday Night Wars. Like I said. I never once said it was at the same time -- HE added that part. And I'm 29. if you read my post, i said that all his other title reigns were after wcw folded and the first one was after wwe won the wars, and by that point in 2000 it was clear that wwe had won and wcw was just digging itself further and further into the ground and you obviously did imply they were champions of their respective companies at the same time
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Post by thestinger on Jan 2, 2008 23:51:54 GMT -5
Actually, since you couldn't point to any incident of my claiming to 'hate' anything pretty much anything you said is as invalid as your claim that Angle's first world title came after WCW folded.
You were putting words in my mouth and everything you've said is wrong
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Post by thestinger on Jan 2, 2008 23:57:44 GMT -5
if you read my post, i said that all his other title reigns were after wcw folded and the first one was after wwe won the wars, and by that point in 2000 it was clear that wwe had won and wcw was just digging itself further and further into the ground Uh huh. Sure. Nice backpedalling. and you obviously did imply they were champions of their respective companies at the same time No, I did not. You are again putting words in my mouth.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 2, 2008 23:58:45 GMT -5
Actually, since you couldn't point to any incident of my claiming to 'hate' anything pretty much anything you said is as invalid as your claim that Angle's first world title came after WCW folded. You were putting words in my mouth and everything you've said is wrong no, everythign ive said was correct and read my above post i edited it to add in the response to the angle thing because i didnt want to double post and only saw it after i posted and i was ignoring the blind hate thing because i didnt want to sway a debate about wrestling into a debate about your personality which really has no place here, but if youre going to push it then i have seen you say in another thread that you dislike anything related to vince's products and dont want to give it a chance, that sure sounds like blind hate to me
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Post by thestinger on Jan 3, 2008 0:02:40 GMT -5
and i was ignoring the blind hate thing because i didnt want to sway a debate about wrestling into a debate about your personality which really has no place here, but if youre going to push it then i have seen you say in another thread that you dislike anything related to vince's products and dont want to give it a chance, that sure sounds like blind hate to me Then again, you know nothing about what you're talking about. I hate terrorists who have declared war on my country, I hate the man who personally ruined my life, and I hate dictators who oppress their people. I don't feel 'hate' for anyone in the friggin' wrestling industry. Nobody who puts on a wrestling show is important enough for me to hate, and I'm never 'blind' about anything. I think everything through. So now you know that you're full of crap.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 3, 2008 0:05:17 GMT -5
nope, theres still the matter of what you said in the LAW thread, but back on to wrestling matters.. im not sure when you got into wrestling but wwe had pretty much won the monday night wars before kurts first title reign and wcw folded before all his other reigns, at no point were sting and kurt ever champions at the same time and nobody was really dreaming of that match back then if reading that doesnt say to you that wcw was still running when kurt got his first title, then your grasp of the english language is about as extensive as your wrestling knowledge
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Post by thestinger on Jan 3, 2008 0:06:35 GMT -5
Let me make some assumptions about you now.
Where in the LAW thread do I say I hate anyone?
I never claimed to have extensive knowledge of the wrestling business, I don't watch WWE, and have heard of probably 1/8th of their roster. but unlike you -- nothing I said was wrong.
Kurt Angle and Sting were World Champions of rival companies during the Monday Night Wars. That is what I wrote and that is true.
You should shut up about things you know nothing about -- which is pretty much everything I would wager.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 3, 2008 0:08:49 GMT -5
I don't understand the idea behind not wanting the WWE guys.
Ok, so you own a wrestling company. And KURT ANGLE comes on the market. Now, feeling that under your schedule he would be great health wise, would you sign him?
Now, a sane buisness person would say, yes. Why? Because Kurt Angle is a proven main event talent. He's had great matches with tons of different people, and he will have great matches with the talent in TNA. If you say no, you're retarded.
Kurt Angle has had great matches with well known WWE names such as Black Machismo, putting him over in the middle of the ring, and Kaz, with Kaz putting on a great showing putting him up in the stratusphere.
You have Team 3D, who took the team that was created in TNA, LAX, to prominence by losing to them 5 out of the 6 times they faced each other, only beating them in the end. Now, you have Team 3D taking on another team formed in TNA (or on the indies, the guys were established TNA talent) in the Motor City Machine Guns, and so far, it's been 2-1 for the Guns, with Team 3D only getting a win after Black Machismo put Johnny Devine through a table, the ref didn't see it, and they did a switch. Ok, so you have this established tag team in Team 3D, but because they are former WWE guys, we don't want them in TNA, despite the fact that they've helped TNA more then people give them credit for.
You have Dustin Rhodes, an established name in the buisness coming in and putting guys over, and you don't want him around. You have Booker T, who's going in and feuding with Robert Roode, and you don't want him around. You have Sting, who the majority of the time he was in TNA, has been doing stuff with Abyss, and you don't want him around. These guys are trying to help TNA. These guys are trying to help boost up their talent, because they are the established names. When nobodies beat nobodies, they stay nobodies. When nobodies beat somebodies, that's a big deal. They then become somebodies. They then get that rub.
And then you have the guys WWE didn't use well. Matt Morgan was the guy who stuttered. Actually, scratch him. Matt Morgan isn't a former WWE guy, he just happened to be on WWE programming. He was on for a combined total of 6 months, he's not a name guy. Tomko was a bodyguard, and now, he gets to showcase more of himself. BG James. Oh, he's a former WWE guy. He's been in TNA since the first freakin show, my god. He's a TNA original. Christian Cage has proven he's been a great talent, and he put over Joe, he put over Kaz. What more do you want from these people?
If you're going to blame TNA's problems on anything, it's the way the show is handled. But for the love of god, don't go talking about, oh this guy is a former WWE, he needs to go. The fact that TNA is around is great for the buisness, because people can bargain for more money, oh, you won't get me it, I'll go to TNA. TNA welcomes them with open arms, and here's a fresh new talent to work with, and that fresh new talent becomes a star. I'm not saying to keep putting the WWE guys over all the time, but my god, they're still established stars. They didn't become stars in WWE because of a coincedence. They did it because they're all great talents, and have something to bring to the table. And in my opinion, they've all brought something to that table.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2008 0:32:49 GMT -5
If Dixie Carter and Panda are happy with the product. And Spike TV are happy with the ratings. Than what does TNA need saving from?
The fact that a bunch of smarks think they should be pulling the same ratings as the WWE?
There's lots of things I would do differently if I was in charge of TNA. But I'm not naive enough to think they need a mass overhaul and have to take a complete 180 in direction.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 3, 2008 0:39:57 GMT -5
Let me make some assumptions about you now. Where in the LAW thread do I say I hate anyone? I never claimed to have extensive knowledge of the wrestling business, I don't watch WWE, and have heard of probably 1/8th of their roster. but unlike you -- nothing I said was wrong. Kurt Angle and Sting were World Champions of rival companies during the Monday Night Wars. That is what I wrote and that is true. You are a complete moron and should shut up about things you know nothing about -- which is pretty much everything I would wager. again, let me give you an english lesson, when you say things like 'nobody expected to see it when they were champions of rival companies during the monday night wars', that implies that they were champions at the same time at some point, which they werent, and the war was won by the time kurt angle was champion, wwe was flourishing and wcw was just trying to dig itself out the hole russo had gotten it in and saying things like the below clearly indicates strong bias, whether you want to call it hate or not is up to you: "I don't like Vince's products. The only thing that made me give it one chance was that 'teh internets' was claiming WWE creative would NOT be involved in the show" "As soon as I read the Vince was involved I expected the show would suck." this is my last post on the subject because its getting pointless, if you want to continue debating me then private message me
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Post by pacino on Jan 3, 2008 0:40:59 GMT -5
I've noticed a lot of the same comments. People all think that there are too many 'wwe' guys and that there is too much comedy. Well, wrestling is entertainment and has ALWAYS had comedy. And there aren't nearly as many 'WWE' guys as people think, and there's absolutely NO reason that a company out to make money shouldn't try to get guys of the caliber of Christian or Angle.
I think some people won't be happy with TNA until it's wrestled under Georgia rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2008 0:45:09 GMT -5
I think some people won't be happy with TNA until it's wrestled under Georgia rules. It worked for Lindsay Lohan.
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Post by thestinger on Jan 3, 2008 0:48:56 GMT -5
Now let me give you an English lesson:
You quoted my writing, "I don't like Vince's products."
I didn't write, "I HATE Vince's products" or "I hate Vince" or anything that would lead any reasonable person to jump to 'blind hate.' You jumped to that conclusion on your own.
You don't speak for me. You don't tell me what I think or feel, and from now on you don't speak TO me either.
You're not qualified to debate me on anything.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Jan 3, 2008 2:32:30 GMT -5
Oh a good old fashioned flame war, I love it.
Maybe not the same ratings but they should be beating the C brand show. If TNA wants to be a competitor to WWE. If not, then they are fine where they are.
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