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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 12:19:34 GMT -5
I believe my opinion for TDK has been known for a while...(I Hated It!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 12:21:31 GMT -5
I didn't think it was terrible, but it wasn't the end all everyone says it is.
I personally think Ledger doesn't desere the Oscar win, the movie itself doesn't deserve the Oscar win either. Heck, Ledger wasn't even the best actor in this genre of movie (IMHO Downey Jr. as Tony Stark was the best by leaps and bounds, no contest).
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Post by Desi on Jan 19, 2009 12:23:04 GMT -5
You can't please everybody, and that's fine. If everyone liked everything, it would be a very boring place to be in.
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Post by The OP on Jan 19, 2009 12:32:42 GMT -5
I didn't like it as much as I felt like I was supposed to, but at the same time I certainly didn't hate it.
Although, I did think Ledger was given too much credit for putting a "fresh spin" on the Joker character. To me he pretty much played the part exactly the same way that Jack Nicholson did. He even did the thing where he was a lot of times kind of quiet and silly but then would get angry and get that gruff sounding voice. The part where the Batmobile is headed towards him and he's saying "C'mon, I want you to hit me!" his voice was so similar to Nicholson's angry Joker voice that if I didn't know better I could've closed my eyes and not known which actor it was.
Also, all things considered, I enjoyed Nicholson's performance as the Joker more.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 19, 2009 12:32:57 GMT -5
It was a good movie up until the stupid Cell Phone Vision crap.
I'm sorry. I can suspend disbelief normally for anything. But it was presented in such a way that even I rolled my eyes.
Also, Ledger was a really good actor. He played the Joker Well. However, his acting in the Dark Knight is not Oscar Worthy. I fully believe his acting in this particular movie is overblown due to his death.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Jan 19, 2009 12:45:54 GMT -5
Also, all things considered, I enjoyed Nicholson's performance as the Joker more. Me too. Nicholson brought more humour to the part.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 12:48:26 GMT -5
I really liked the movie, but if the actors weren't as good as they were (Read: actors), it wouldn't have been nearly as good a movie.
But I do agree with all of the points you made, Godz. Those were the same things I was thinking, in addition to others (Joker gets onto a bus dressed as a nurse, without his mask, and the driver doesn't notice the door opening or him getting inside?). It's just that the impact they had didn't effect me as much as you, but I definitely think you're right all the same.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 19, 2009 12:50:49 GMT -5
This is also the busload of people that the Joker kidnapped. You don't think maybe the driver was on the Joker's side?
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 19, 2009 12:52:38 GMT -5
I won't go so far as to say I hated it, but I will say it was a pretty standard by the numbers flick, nothing "OMG this is so brilliant and epic BLARG!!!" about it at all. That mystical all seeing all knowing Joker who's the ultimate agent of random chaos that needs perfect timing in all his intricately laid plans was just too much for one thing, just took me right out of the flick. And ya know, I really like my comic movies to take place in the cities that are in the comics, Batman lives in Gotham City, not Chicago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 12:58:19 GMT -5
This is also the busload of people that the Joker kidnapped. You don't think maybe the driver was on the Joker's side? Nope, I don't think that, because they never mentioned it. Doing the old "We're not going to show you what happened because it actually happening on screen would be a ludicrous incident" is something I never buy during a movie, regardless of how good or bad it was. That mystical all seeing all knowing Joker who's the ultimate agent of random chaos that needs perfect timing in all his intricately laid plans was just too much for one thing, just took me right out of the flick. This too.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 19, 2009 13:02:15 GMT -5
This is also the busload of people that the Joker kidnapped. You don't think maybe the driver was on the Joker's side? Nope, I don't think that, because they never mentioned it. Doing the old "We're not going to show you what happened because it actually happening on screen would be a ludicrous incident" is something I never buy during a movie, regardless of how good or bad it was. So, if, in a movie, a guy holding a gun walks up behind a guy, the camera cuts away to a cityscape scene or something like that, and then flashes to a moments later with the one guy dead and the other walking away, gun smoking, you won't assume that the second guy killed the first, and then go onto the internet and claim it as some kind of "plot hole"? Really? Because that's pretty much what it sounds like you're talking about. Sometimes you have to fill in your own blanks.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 19, 2009 13:17:00 GMT -5
I loved the everloving shit out of The Dark Knight, so obviously I disagree.
I also think Ledger's Joker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack's, though I never really liked Jack's Joker all that much. The pinnacle of Joker-dom Heath Ledger had to beat for me was Mark Hamill's in Batman: The Animated Series and his subsequent DC Animated Universe portrayals, and I think Ledger did that, although barely. But the performance that store the show for me was Aaron Eckhart's as Harvey Dent.
I also think people are overstating the "Eddie Guerrero" effect. People were stoked for Heath Ledger's Joker performance long before his untimely death. I think his death did contribute to the hype and possibly awards buzz, but it still was an excellent performance IMO, and Heath Ledger being alive or dead wouldn't change how it was received.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 13:21:22 GMT -5
Nope, I don't think that, because they never mentioned it. Doing the old "We're not going to show you what happened because it actually happening on screen would be a ludicrous incident" is something I never buy during a movie, regardless of how good or bad it was. So, if, in a movie, a guy holding a gun walks up behind a guy, the camera cuts away to a cityscape scene or something like that, and then flashes to a moments later with the one guy dead and the other walking away, gun smoking, you won't assume that the second guy killed the first, and then go onto the internet and claim it as some kind of "plot hole"? Really? Because that's pretty much what it sounds like you're talking about. Sometimes you have to fill in your own blanks. I wouldn't want them to skip the scene anyway (that's part of what I'm complaining about), but I think there's a marked difference between "Random man ambushes other random man and kills him" and "Infamous criminal mastermind blows up an entire hospital and slowly leaves unarmored, out in the open, without ANYONE there to do anything to him, then boards a bus without anyone noticing and hijacks it without getting caught later on at a security checkpoint, depot, gate, etc." One of them is erm...actually sort of credible in real life? The Joker is supposed to be a criminal mastermind, not an omniscient god who seems to always have some random, unrealistic circumstance on his side to make his plans synchronized to the slightest, random detail (like the bank robbery and escaping by bus...wha?). I feel that when they cut out of scenes, it's a bit of a cop-out, but in the situation in the Dark Knight, it's an example of doing it to try to do something that's practically impossible without any explanation of how, whatsoever.
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Post by Joker on Jan 19, 2009 13:21:53 GMT -5
I thought Heath's Joker was better than Jack's Joker. As Jack's Joker was still rooted in the old Cesar Romero batman 60s series in my opinion.
But yeah I really enjoyed the film, certainly one of the best superhero films that have come out since the new wave began.
(I still think Fantastic Four is a more pure and better for it superhero film though.)
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Post by Reptar on Jan 19, 2009 13:24:35 GMT -5
The prison robbery at the start for an example. So they manage to escape just as a huge line of school buses pass by the bank, and right before the cops manage to arrive. I guess you can say Joker timed their route but I seriously doubt you could pull off a robbery timed like that. Yeah, I would have enjoyed the movie much better if The Joker had been caught at the beginning and Batman and Commissioner Gordon spent the next two hours drinking beer and watching porn. Now you're just being ridiculous.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 19, 2009 13:24:58 GMT -5
I loved the everloving excretory matter out of The Dark Knight, so obviously I disagree. I also think Ledger's Joker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack's, though I never really liked Jack's Joker all that much. The pinnacle of Joker-dom Heath Ledger had to beat for me was Mark Hamill's in Batman: The Animated Series and his subsequent DC Animated Universe portrayals, and I think Ledger did that, although barely. But the performance that store the show for me was Aaron Eckhart's as Harvey Dent. I also think people are overstating the "Eddie Guerrero" effect. People were stoked for Heath Ledger's Joker performance long before his untimely death. I think his death did contribute to the hype and possibly awards buzz, but it still was an excellent performance IMO, and Heath Ledger being alive or dead wouldn't change how it was received. About the "Eddie Effect": The movie was popular, WILDLY so, therefore the people that don't like it have to rationalize it's popularity in a way that takes any actual merit for the film out of the equation. Therefore: "The movie wasn't anywhere near as good as people say it was, it was only because Heath Ledger died that people liked it".
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 19, 2009 13:30:20 GMT -5
I loved the everloving excretory matter out of The Dark Knight, so obviously I disagree. I also think Ledger's Joker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack's, though I never really liked Jack's Joker all that much. The pinnacle of Joker-dom Heath Ledger had to beat for me was Mark Hamill's in Batman: The Animated Series and his subsequent DC Animated Universe portrayals, and I think Ledger did that, although barely. But the performance that store the show for me was Aaron Eckhart's as Harvey Dent. I also think people are overstating the "Eddie Guerrero" effect. People were stoked for Heath Ledger's Joker performance long before his untimely death. I think his death did contribute to the hype and possibly awards buzz, but it still was an excellent performance IMO, and Heath Ledger being alive or dead wouldn't change how it was received. About the "Eddie Effect": The movie was popular, WILDLY so, therefore the people that don't like it have to rationalize it's popularity in a way that takes any actual merit for the film out of the equation. Therefore: "The movie wasn't anywhere near as good as people say it was, it was only because Heath Ledger died that people liked it". If you want to play it that way: Stop putting words in people's mouths. The conclusions people jump to are amazing. I'll just say this. Opinions differ. And that's a good thing.
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Post by sryans on Jan 19, 2009 13:48:22 GMT -5
The "Eddie Guerrero Effect" hardly exists. People need to stop criticizing Ledger for not bringing more comedy into it, that wasn't in his character and the few gags he did do, were well-done.
I loved the shit out of the movie personally, but I'm not going to attack anyone who does, some of your criticisms seemed to be reaching but I'm sure some of my praises would do the same.
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Post by Alucard on Jan 19, 2009 13:52:49 GMT -5
You are in the minority, but there are others that disliked it. I personally enjoyed the hell out of it.
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Post by EAT IT on Jan 19, 2009 14:12:07 GMT -5
I can't say I hated it, but I do think it was vastly overrated.
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