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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 20, 2009 11:07:52 GMT -5
First off, I'm not here to discuss my opinion on the movie, for opinions are opinions and it's all good whether you liked it or not. But about the "Eddie Guerrero Effect" First off I believe this is Kurt Cobain Syndrome. And it's not a proper way of saying something is overrated, it isn't a proper way of saying something sucks. It is only saying that people enjoy it more because the person is deceased. Doesn't...that make it overrated, then, if they enjoy it more than they should?
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Jan 20, 2009 11:57:16 GMT -5
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Johnny Danger (Godz)
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 20, 2009 21:23:50 GMT -5
Hmm his Bat-voice isn't annoying enough. And the best part? "Dude, you just totally killed that guy!" Almost sounded like Edge
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Post by slasher911 on Jan 20, 2009 21:30:42 GMT -5
I loved the movie, but hate the new wave of Goth kids it's bred in it's wake
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Post by Alucard on Jan 20, 2009 21:45:01 GMT -5
RE: People who find Joker's plans and traps and all that farfetched in this movie.
Look at what Nicholson's did in Batman 1989.
The parade the poison gas balloons, etc...that's...TOTALLY believable. Right?
I'm sorry, but in cinema The Joker gets a pass for unbelievable schemes. It's just a part of the character. Not trying to bash or poop on anyone elses opinion, but...yeah dude, just noodle that for a while.
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 20, 2009 22:00:19 GMT -5
RE: People who find Joker's plans and traps and all that farfetched in this movie. Look at what Nicholson's did in Batman 1989. The parade the poison gas balloons, etc...that's...TOTALLY believable. Right? I'm sorry, but in cinema The Joker gets a pass for unbelievable schemes. It's just a part of the character. Not trying to bash or poop on anyone elses opinion, but...yeah dude, just noodle that for a while. All that only required 2 things, poison and balloons. The problems with Dark Knights Joker isn't the plans, it's the requirements that every person must behave exactly as planned for the plans to work, mostly involving people not even in on the plan.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 20, 2009 22:14:46 GMT -5
RE: People who find Joker's plans and traps and all that farfetched in this movie. Look at what Nicholson's did in Batman 1989. The parade the poison gas balloons, etc...that's...TOTALLY believable. Right? I'm sorry, but in cinema The Joker gets a pass for unbelievable schemes. It's just a part of the character. Not trying to bash or poop on anyone elses opinion, but...yeah dude, just noodle that for a while. All that only required 2 things, poison and balloons. The problems with Dark Knights Joker isn't the plans, it's the requirements that every person must behave exactly as planned for the plans to work, mostly involving people not even in on the plan. And I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to give me a good concrete reason why there was not ONE SINGLE COP with a gun in the way of Nurse Joker and his/her casual stroll away from Gotham General in BROAD MOTHERF***ING DAYLIGHT.
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Post by kitsunestar on Jan 20, 2009 22:16:49 GMT -5
All that only required 2 things, poison and balloons. The problems with Dark Knights Joker isn't the plans, it's the requirements that every person must behave exactly as planned for the plans to work, mostly involving people not even in on the plan. And I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to give me a good concrete reason why there was not ONE SINGLE COP with a gun in the way of Nurse Joker and his/her casual stroll away from Gotham General in BROAD MOTHERF***ING DAYLIGHT. Or where they found someone willing TO HAVE A CELL PHONE BOMB PLANTED IN HIS CHEST AND INTENTIONALLY GET ARRESTED JUST SO THAT THEY JOKER WOULD HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN IN CASE HE GOT CAUGHT.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 20, 2009 22:22:22 GMT -5
And I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to give me a good concrete reason why there was not ONE SINGLE COP with a gun in the way of Nurse Joker and his/her casual stroll away from Gotham General in BROAD MOTHERF***ING DAYLIGHT. Or where they found someone willing TO HAVE A CELL PHONE BOMB PLANTED IN HIS CHEST AND INTENTIONALLY GET ARRESTED JUST SO THAT THEY JOKER WOULD HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN IN CASE HE GOT CAUGHT. Or why didn't any of the Gothem Police check the guy out when he complaining of chest pain?
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 20, 2009 22:23:18 GMT -5
And I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to give me a good concrete reason why there was not ONE SINGLE COP with a gun in the way of Nurse Joker and his/her casual stroll away from Gotham General in BROAD MOTHERF***ING DAYLIGHT. Or where they found someone willing TO HAVE A CELL PHONE BOMB PLANTED IN HIS CHEST AND INTENTIONALLY GET ARRESTED JUST SO THAT THEY JOKER WOULD HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN IN CASE HE GOT CAUGHT. As stupid as that was, you could make a case that maybe Joker drugged him or did it by force and maybe threatened to blow it only if he told someone about it. But I'm not going to defend this crap. Cell phones are ruining the human race and this movie is just further proof LOL
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 20, 2009 22:26:46 GMT -5
Hmm, the cell phone bomb guy was one of Jokers crazy Arkham henchmen. He told the cops that Joker told him he'd take away his pain and show him grand visions by operating on him, so that explains that.
Him being in the right place at the right time tho is a little iffy.
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Post by kitsunestar on Jan 20, 2009 22:32:41 GMT -5
Hmm, the cell phone bomb guy was one of Jokers crazy Arkham henchmen. He told the cops that Joker told him he'd take away his pain and show him grand visions by operating on him, so that explains that. Him being in the right place at the right time tho is a little iffy. As is every single other character in the movie. "This can only work if exact random person #3434 that I don't even know of is in this exact spot at this exact time 16 years from today!" And what do you know, he is.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 20, 2009 22:53:57 GMT -5
I don't agree completely....but I do agree on not wanting anything to do with this movie.
I gave it a shot, at the persisting of a female as you were, and was also let down. Granted I didn't mind it as much as you seemed to have, but it wasn't really THAT memorable.
The Joker performance was not really anything how it was made out. It was hokey at times, and he just was annoying. Granted he's the bad guy, but it is ridiculous how he has control of ABSOLUTELY everything. I forget, but I don't think he was rich. Someone would have just shot his ass before all of this came to be.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 20, 2009 22:55:26 GMT -5
Did I miss something or when Harvey rocked his chair over to the wall did it serve any plot point other than making sure that half his face was covered in gasoline? I didn't look like he was heading towards an exit?
Secondly I found all of the early foreshadowing of Two Face with Harvey Dent brow beating. "Look it's his face in profile, we're foreshadowing!!!"
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 20, 2009 23:13:58 GMT -5
Did I miss something or when Harvey rocked his chair over to the wall did it serve any plot point other than making sure that half his face was covered in gasoline? I didn't look like he was heading towards an exit? Secondly I found all of the early foreshadowing of Two Face with Harvey Dent brow beating. "Look it's his face in profile, we're foreshadowing!!!" He was looking for something sharp to cut his ropes on.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 20, 2009 23:42:57 GMT -5
Yeeeaaahhh, that....made complete sense. And such.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 21, 2009 1:35:06 GMT -5
No, seriously. Before my internet privileges are revoked for having this opinion, I have to go public with it. During its initial 2008 theatrical release, I absolutely refused to have anything to do with this movie, due to it's nauseating over-marketing, the fact I wasn't OVERLY impressed with Batman Begins, and mainly because I just hate people and didn't want to sit in a packed theater. I fully intended on watching it some day, but I knew there was no way it'd be as good as the hype, and I didn't feel like paying $10 on a movie ticket just to find out. Worse. I paid $20 on the DVD (My g/f asked for it for Christmas) to be bored off my ass for almost 3 hours. I was basically silent for the duration of the movie, but as soon as it was done, all I could say was "Well, that was an ordeal." My girlfriend goes "Yeah....?" and I say "Yep, I think it just knocked 'Godzilla' (1998) off my top 5 worst movies of all time list.". "BUT GODZ HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!?" Quiet, you. I'm about to get into that. In no particular order, because just like the runny feces I'd compare it to, everything in the movie tends to run together in my mind right now. So it starts off with some nonsense about the Scarecrow and a fake Batman or two? I've got to wonder why they even bothered bringing Scarecrow back for all 6 seconds of screen time he got. Speaking of 6 seconds, thats about all the time it took for me to get sick of Bale's forced and hokey "Batman voice". Hey, if they make a third one, can we just dub over him with Kevin Conroy? Now, I'm not the world's biggest Bat-fan, I much prefer Marvel's characters and stories, but, wasn't the Joker created by Batman? The two have no kind of link at the start (Though the one part of the movie I will admit that I liked was Joker's line to Batman at the end, something along the lines of "I have a feeling we're destined to do this forever"), and if I had to listen to Joker tell another fake emo story about "How I got my scars", I was going to put my foot up somebody's bat-ass. Yeah, let's just go ahead and get the Joker out of the way. Hey, Jack? Don't worry. You're still #1. I have a feeling that this Joker has the benefit of Eddie Guerrero Syndrome. Oh, the guy just died? THEN HE'S THE BEST EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR! Speaking about the Joker leads me to one of my main complaints of the film, and it brings back one of my main criticisms of the Thomas Jane "Punisher" film. We'll start with the Punisher. Your ENTIRE FAMILY is murdered, you're missing and presumed dead, but one day you just happen to show up alive and well in front of a police station...yet...no one even attempts to take you in for questioning. Really? You wouldn't even be a "person of interest" in that case, let alone PRIME SUSPECT? Now let's go to the Joker. He reveals his intentions to blow up a hospital. Gotham General is the "priority", I believe was the word. So, can anyone explain to me why there was not a single SWAT sniper anywhere around that building to PUT A BULLET IN THE JOKER'S HEAD as he casually strolls away from the building in a heavily armored...uhh....nurse's uniform. Seriously? I know law enforcement aren't meant to be the "stars" of these movies, and there's no way that the Joker should've died like that, but, they should've at least tried. How stupid is everyone in this city? Oh, and great idea to leave one unarmed cop in charge of guarding the un-restrained Joker in the jail, too. Cause thats the way things happen in the real world. Yep. At least the film brought many new and fresh ideas to the superhero film genre, such as the reluctant hero w-...crap, that was Spider-Man 2. Ah yes, the hero's choice on which lives to sav-....dammit, that was Spider-Man. Let's move on to Harvey Dent. There was some potential here. Some. Hell, the entire film was basically a glorified backstory for him, existing only to lead up to his creation as Two-Face. Only problem is, once he BECOMES Two-Face...he dies after 10 minutes of screen time. From about a 10 foot fall or so. The build up and the execution there simply do not add up, you wasted the viewers' time, but, they don't care because this movie made more money than God. So, I understand the thinking of saving Dent's "image" by not tying him to the murders, but, uh, why Batman exactly? Why not just pin them on Joker and his goons? At this point, WOULD ANYONE REALLY BE ASKING ANY QUESTIONS?! Honestly, I was surprised at how unenjoyable this movie was for me. I was also surprised at how cliched and non-memorable Ledger's performance as the Joker was. It had its moments, but overall, I'd have rather them "Roger Rabbit"-ed Mark Hamil's animated Joker onto the screen instead. I wouldn't have complained. I know at this point I've wrecked any chances I ever had at some sweet "Daddy didn't love me enough"/"Daddy loved me too much" lovin' with a cashier from Hot Topic, but, I'm willing to accept that sacrifice if it means getting the word out there that someone actually hated this movie. After all, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. Ah yes, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. A good movie with a great villain. And now Ricardo Montalban is dead. Are you happy, Dark Knight? Are you? Now, as the Human Torch would say....flame on, kids. Flame on. I don't expect any of you to share my opinion on this, but, there it is all the same. If I remember anything else I hated while I'm at work, I'll be sure and add it in later. Rock on, Godz. I actually share your sentiments, and posted my many complaints with the film a couple of months ago. And of course I was called a whiner because I expect a Batman movie to be more faithful to it's source material.
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Post by Alucard on Jan 21, 2009 1:46:13 GMT -5
RE: People who find Joker's plans and traps and all that farfetched in this movie. Look at what Nicholson's did in Batman 1989. The parade the poison gas balloons, etc...that's...TOTALLY believable. Right? I'm sorry, but in cinema The Joker gets a pass for unbelievable schemes. It's just a part of the character. Not trying to bash or poop on anyone elses opinion, but...yeah dude, just noodle that for a while. All that only required 2 things, poison and balloons. The problems with Dark Knights Joker isn't the plans, it's the requirements that every person must behave exactly as planned for the plans to work, mostly involving people not even in on the plan. I think the overall tone of TDK was "most people suck", a sentiment I can agree with so meh, it makes sense to me, but still...a whackjob in clown garb can't suddenly acquire balloons, gas, billions of fake bills, and get his own parade float and be allowed to just be in the parade. Cops would have realistically shut him down. But, he too gets a pass. Why? Because he's the Joker. It's just part of the character.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Jan 21, 2009 2:06:53 GMT -5
I think the overall tone of TDK was "most people suck", a sentiment I can agree with so meh, it makes sense to me, but still...a whackjob in clown garb can't suddenly acquire balloons, gas, billions of fake bills, and get his own parade float and be allowed to just be in the parade. Cops would have realistically shut him down. But, he too gets a pass. Why? Because he's the Joker. It's just part of the character. DUDE. BURTON'S BATMAN DIDN'T TRY TO BE REAL AT ALL. IT WAS JUST WACKY AND SILLY AND HAD A BAT PLANE. NOLAN'S IS LIKE "OMFG LOOK HOW REAL THIS IS." and yet...and yet, no one is there to shoot the Joker outside the hospital. And yet Two face can survive a catastrophic car accident. And on the other hand, a ten foot fall can kill a man. Screw the Dark Knight. Besides, if you watch them back to back, you'll knotice an odd thing. LEDGER IS DOING NICHOLSON. Batman and The Dark Knight are DEEPLY similar; Joker going to the Crime bosses, "Come on, hit me, hit me," it goes on and on. Did you notice Joker's weird little midwestern accent everyone rattled on about? THAT'S CAUSE IT'S A NICHOLSON IMPRESSION. As great as Ledger is, he's just doing a redux of Nicholson's "wacky" Joker, which remains the closest to the comic portrayal.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 21, 2009 2:20:38 GMT -5
I think the overall tone of TDK was "most people suck", a sentiment I can agree with so meh, it makes sense to me, but still...a whackjob in clown garb can't suddenly acquire balloons, gas, billions of fake bills, and get his own parade float and be allowed to just be in the parade. Cops would have realistically shut him down. But, he too gets a pass. Why? Because he's the Joker. It's just part of the character. DUDE. BURTON'S BATMAN DIDN'T TRY TO BE REAL AT ALL. IT WAS JUST WACKY AND SILLY AND HAD A BAT PLANE. NOLAN'S IS LIKE "OMFG LOOK HOW REAL THIS IS." and yet...and yet, no one is there to shoot the Joker outside the hospital. And yet Two face can survive a catastrophic car accident. And on the other hand, a ten foot fall can kill a man. Screw the Dark Knight. Besides, if you watch them back to back, you'll knotice an odd thing. LEDGER IS DOING NICHOLSON. Batman and The Dark Knight are DEEPLY similar; Joker going to the Crime bosses, "Come on, hit me, hit me," it goes on and on. Did you notice Joker's weird little midwestern accent everyone rattled on about? THAT'S CAUSE IT'S A NICHOLSON IMPRESSION. As great as Ledger is, he's just doing a redux of Nicholson's "wacky" Joker, which remains the closest to the comic portrayal. I think you're stretching a bit. When he says hit me, that was really the only real thing that stood out to mean. And even if they somewhat similar, so what? They are the same character. Why shouldn't there be some similarity?
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