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[Zombie Mod]

Nov 28, 2022 21:01:26 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Nov 28, 2022 20:58:05 GMT -5 Zombie Mod said:

historical importance? CM Punk acting like an asshole has been happening for the last fifteen years or so, just this time he did most of it on camera and out of character.

you're overestimating how big of a thing it actually was, AEW didn't stop running shows because of it, it didn't have TMZ or front page of newspapers coverage. And if AEW stay in business as long as WWE there will be other scandals that will dwarf Punk showing his real self to the world.

Wrestling history. It's the biggest wrestling story this year. We've never seen a public meltdown by a headliner given everything they could have possibly wanted. There's a reason the thread went for as long as it did instead of petering out. The story kept evolving and more and more unprecendented absurd elements kept coming out of it.

It can't be overstated within the scope of the industry.

Vince McMahon being caught using his own money for hush money payments to silence sex scandals involving him and it causing him to step down as c.e.o. of WWE and the company having to re-issue company valuation reports is the biggest story of the year as that has a bigger impact on wrestling history than cm punk acting like a bellend and causing a fight backstage. It's not even close on actual possible industry wide scope effects.

For multiple pages the scrum thread was "we dont know what's going on" as actual news reports from meltzer and co leading multiple pages of "we're going to ridicule punk & ace." because there was nothing to actually discuss .

The a.e.w. section needing to relax and have a laugh at random stuff is true, but the humour and fun shouldn't be confined to just that one thread.

As for the never seeing a main eventer having a meltdown on camera, brett hart had a meltdown on camera after the screw job and he had a good reason for it.

[ChitownKnight]

I feel like the whole scrum thread ordeal is FAN’s version of the YES movement 😂😂😂

[xxXPlatypusM0d-2000Xxx]

Nov 28, 2022 21:41:21 GMT -5 Zombie Mod said:

Nov 28, 2022 21:01:26 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Wrestling history. It's the biggest wrestling story this year. We've never seen a public meltdown by a headliner given everything they could have possibly wanted. There's a reason the thread went for as long as it did instead of petering out. The story kept evolving and more and more unprecendented absurd elements kept coming out of it.

It can't be overstated within the scope of the industry.

Vince McMahon being caught using his own money for hush money payments to silence sex scandals involving him and it causing him to step down as c.e.o. of WWE and the company having to re-issue company valuation reports is the biggest story of the year as that has a bigger impact on wrestling history than cm punk acting like a bellend and causing a fight backstage. It's not even close on actual possible industry wide scope effects.

For multiple pages the scrum thread was "we dont know what's going on" as actual news reports from meltzer and co leading multiple pages of "we're going to ridicule punk & ace." because there was nothing to actually discuss .

The a.e.w. section needing to relax and have a laugh at random stuff is true, but the humour and fun shouldn't be confined to just that one thread.

As for the never seeing a main eventer having a meltdown on camera, brett hart had a meltdown on camera after the screw job and he had a good reason for it.

Hell Michaels had multiple instance of being a shithead live on camera.

but yeah, in no world is "known asshole being an asshole" a bigger story than basically "THE Wrestling promoter needing to step down due to massive scandals and needing to reissue valuation reports that had real world and business implications and was reported on by main stream media.

90% of that thread was just people talking about muffins, talking about broken notifications, page 54 and basically asking if they missed anything when the answer was no...

if we remove all of that we probably have... 5 pages of actual content?

[ChitownKnight]

Nov 28, 2022 22:53:47 GMT -5 xxXPlatypusM0d-2000Xxx said:

Nov 28, 2022 21:41:21 GMT -5 Zombie Mod said:

Vince McMahon being caught using his own money for hush money payments to silence sex scandals involving him and it causing him to step down as c.e.o. of WWE and the company having to re-issue company valuation reports is the biggest story of the year as that has a bigger impact on wrestling history than cm punk acting like a bellend and causing a fight backstage. It's not even close on actual possible industry wide scope effects.

For multiple pages the scrum thread was "we dont know what's going on" as actual news reports from meltzer and co leading multiple pages of "we're going to ridicule punk & ace." because there was nothing to actually discuss .

The a.e.w. section needing to relax and have a laugh at random stuff is true, but the humour and fun shouldn't be confined to just that one thread.

As for the never seeing a main eventer having a meltdown on camera, brett hart had a meltdown on camera after the screw job and he had a good reason for it.

Hell Michaels had multiple instance of being a shithead live on camera.

but yeah, in no world is "known asshole being an asshole" a bigger story than basically "THE Wrestling promoter needing to step down due to massive scandals and needing to reissue valuation reports that had real world and business implications and was reported on by main stream media.

90% of that thread was just people talking about muffins, talking about broken notifications, page 54 and basically asking if they missed anything when the answer was no...

if we remove all of that we probably have... 5 pages of actual content?

Ok so at the absolute worst, the Punk scrum is the second biggest story of the year. And yeah the thread had hundreds of pages of spamming. But honestly, WHO GIVES A SHIT. People were having fun in that thread. What harm is there by unlocking it?

[Fade]

I don’t get this “bigger story” dick measuring going on. McMahon stepping down was historic. Point blank. The Punk thing is scandalous, and on-going.

Keep the thread closed, whatever but yeah lol..two different stories in nature and Chaz laid all that out perfectly. FWIW mods brought up a valid point that discussion has spread throughout, just not as pronounced, funny, etc.

[Ric]

I've tried to stay out of the public side of this since I locked it, just giving feedback in private so the others can make the final decision, but, I'm damned close to deleting the whole thing over the childish reaction to it being locked because it's become an embarrassment. Nothing has prevented someone from making a thread on the follow up, that stays on topic, you're just not getting to post in that 600+ page dumpster fire that ended like it did.

[Closed on Page 54]

I'm neither for or against. I had fun in the thread for a bit, because of the absurdity of it. But I stopped even checking it probably weeks before it got locked. But the argument I make for unlocking it is at least everything was mostly contained to one thread, instead of the now three different threads on the first page of the AEW section, discussing Punk. And that doesn't include whatever threads about The Elite or the AEWEU thread, which I'm sure have discussion. The single thread at the top of the section made it easier to ignore the situation once it stopped being funny/relevant. But really, it probably should've been locked much earlier lol


EDIT: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/613005/long-punk-last

this one is necroed from over a year ago lmao

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

I'm of the opinion... If there's any new update specifically related to that scrum and its fallout, unlock the thread and discuss it. Like, we had that match with The Elite against Death Triangle from the Best OF seven that had them riffing on that whole thing because they were in Chicago. I posted in the specific thread for the matches because that was where it was most relevant.

Otherwise, I don't think we should keep it open just to pad it out to arbitrary numbers or multiples of 54 or whatever for the sake of creating a record. Like, it's already got it probably. Let it settle on something somewhat organically.

But that's just me on my own. This is something that all the moderators have to reach a consensus or a majority on.

[ChitownKnight]

Nov 29, 2022 2:07:04 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

I'm of the opinion... If there's any new update specifically related to that scrum and its fallout, unlock the thread and discuss it. Like, we had that match with The Elite against Death Triangle from the Best OF seven that had them riffing on that whole thing because they were in Chicago. I posted in the specific thread for the matches because that was where it was most relevant.

Otherwise, I don't think we should keep it open just to pad it out to arbitrary numbers or multiples of 54 or whatever for the sake of creating a record. Like, it's already got it probably. Let it settle on something somewhat organically.

But that's just me on my own. This is something that all the moderators have to reach a consensus or a majority on.

I agree with this consensus. I feel like we reached all the important numbers anyways lol. I say just set some ground rules on the thread, (no page padding, heated arguments ect), ban people from posting on the thread if needed. I feel like there is gonna be a lot of newsworthy shit until Punk returns from injury next year.

[aka Cthulhu]

My opinion is this. When it was locked, I was open to unlocking it after a while, and would suggest that if the thread messes up again would go with the nastier option of permanently sealing it on the deleted section or just outright deleting it. So reopen it with strict rules.

But as the days went by I'm frankly okay with keeping it as it is, locked. Sure, you can argue that it's a, as some people say, a historic moment. I'd say it is, and people would argue if other moments were as historic and so and so, but as other moments go it has run its course. A lot of focus on the scrum itself, and afterwards its memes, talking about post milestones, and other silly stuff as people wait for the next news.

Like... the horse ain't dead, but there's certainly effort in beating it to death.

The memes came, just use it elsewhere when it's relevant. News comes by make a thread. Nothing wrong with necroing a thread if there's something relevant. Frankly I'm becoming less and less keen with the idea of keep it open and we'll behave. Often someone does a take and people will pile on it instead of, you know, ignoring said post.

As someone who posted on it fairly often for a bit, sad to say, but I feel that the scrum has done its job.

[Limity (BLM)]

Nov 29, 2022 0:05:13 GMT -5 Closed on Page 54 said:

I'm neither for or against. I had fun in the thread for a bit, because of the absurdity of it. But I stopped even checking it probably weeks before it got locked. But the argument I make for unlocking it is at least everything was mostly contained to one thread, instead of the now three different threads on the first page of the AEW section, discussing Punk. And that doesn't include whatever threads about The Elite or the AEWEU thread, which I'm sure have discussion. The single thread at the top of the section made it easier to ignore the situation once it stopped being funny/relevant. But really, it probably should've been locked much earlier lol


EDIT: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/613005/long-punk-last

this one is necroed from over a year ago lmao

Damn neutrals! You never know where they stand!

[ChitownKnight]

Nov 29, 2022 2:49:43 GMT -5 aka Cthulhu said:

My opinion is this. When it was locked, I was open to unlocking it after a while, and would suggest that if the thread messes up again would go with the nastier option of permanently sealing it on the deleted section or just outright deleting it. So reopen it with strict rules.

But as the days went by I'm frankly okay with keeping it as it is, locked. Sure, you can argue that it's a, as some people say, a historic moment. I'd say it is, and people would argue if other moments were as historic and so and so, but as other moments go it has run its course. A lot of focus on the scrum itself, and afterwards its memes, talking about post milestones, and other silly stuff as people wait for the next news.

Like... the horse ain't dead, but there's certainly effort in beating it to death.

The memes came, just use it elsewhere when it's relevant. News comes by make a thread. Nothing wrong with necroing a thread if there's something relevant. Frankly I'm becoming less and less keen with the idea of keep it open and we'll behave. Often someone does a take and people will pile on it instead of, you know, ignoring said post.

As someone who posted on it fairly often for a bit, sad to say, but I feel that the scrum has done its job.

I’d rather the thread be locked than having it opened and there even being a chance of it being deleted. But I still think there needs to be some sort of all purpose thread. Not only for newsworthy shit but also people getting interviewed about the situation ect. This is Forsure AEW’s version of the Montreal Screwjob. I can’t speak for everyone else but I agree with the limitation of the memes, pg 54 shit, post padding ect. There will always be trolls that ruin the fun for everyone, whether intentional or not but I think we as a forum should do our best to ignore them

[JoDaNa1281]

Since the first match was made official at Over Drive, I created the Hard To Kill 2023 Thread.

Could I get this pinned, please?

officialfan.proboards.com/thread/624504/official-impact-wrestling-hard-thread

[polarbearpete]

Nov 28, 2022 23:51:03 GMT -5 Ric said:

I've tried to stay out of the public side of this since I locked it, just giving feedback in private so the others can make the final decision, but, I'm damned close to deleting the whole thing over the childish reaction to it being locked because it's become an embarrassment. Nothing has prevented someone from making a thread on the follow up, that stays on topic, you're just not getting to post in that 600+ page dumpster fire that ended like it did.

After you posted this, someone made a thread on the follow up and it was immediately locked.

[Zombie Mod]

Nov 29, 2022 14:52:54 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Nov 28, 2022 23:51:03 GMT -5 Ric said:

I've tried to stay out of the public side of this since I locked it, just giving feedback in private so the others can make the final decision, but, I'm damned close to deleting the whole thing over the childish reaction to it being locked because it's become an embarrassment. Nothing has prevented someone from making a thread on the follow up, that stays on topic, you're just not getting to post in that 600+ page dumpster fire that ended like it did.

After you posted this, someone made a thread on the follow up and it was immediately locked.

with a post explaining why from the mod who locked it.

[polarbearpete]

Nov 29, 2022 16:08:49 GMT -5 Zombie Mod said:

Nov 29, 2022 14:52:54 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

After you posted this, someone made a thread on the follow up and it was immediately locked.

with a post explaining why from the mod who locked it.

Understood and I didn’t make the thread nor is it a big deal, it just seemed contrary to what Ric had said just before.

[xXMadlibzXx [GRIT]]

officialfan.proboards.com/thread/624541/nxt-deadline-thread-dec-10th

Could I get this stick1ed?

[chazraps]

Hey, is it cool if I post my Jesse Ventura interview in (w)rest?

There's next to no political talk - and the only political talk there is revolves around hyper-hyper-localized Minneapolis transit and even that doesn't get into policy but credit. And some politicians are mentioned by name, but not their actual politics.

It's largely a half-hour of discussion of WWF/WWE, his movies and his memories as a teenager at high school in Minneapolis.

Wanted to run it by here first.

[Stu]

You're always posting links and videos of you interviewing people. How about keeping everything to just one thread and anyone who's interested can just go there? Just don't spam the thread to keep it on page one.


Also, what's the point of starting a thread if you're posting your video here anyway?

[chazraps]

Dec 2, 2022 18:16:28 GMT -5 Stu said:

You're always posting links and videos of you interviewing people. How about keeping everything to just one thread and anyone who's interested can just go there? Just don't spam the thread to keep it on page one.


Also, what's the point of starting a thread if you're posting your video here anyway?

1) because the people i interview are across a massive range of pop culture with not many intersecting fanbases. I don't post every single interview on the forum. In fact, I just did a search of all the threads I started this year regarding my interviews and I've created exactly two in 2022 and those were a Scott Norton interview in October and a Chris Jericho interview in May. Other times I've posted are when discussions have already existed about a subject and what I posted was relevant to the topic at hand.

2) it's a question of content for this video specifically.