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Post by Andrew is Good on May 1, 2009 9:22:13 GMT -5
Trish and Lita were draws. Trish, the top white meat babyface which they like to push in WWE (and TNA with Taylor). And Trish was over like crazy. She was featured in big storylines a lot of the time, she was given lots of tv time, she was given her own dvd, just about everything. And when she left, even though woman's wrestling was already down the tubes, you had someone who the fans respected and admired, gone.
I think people underestimate Trish, and how important she was to WWE. I know this may seem like I'm quoting TNA, but what separates her from the girls around now, is respect. The fans respected Trish Stratus. Yeah, she was a hot chick. But, people were invested emotionally in her because of who she was.
When she left, a spot opened up for that top babyface, and nobody has been able to fill it, and it's like when Gail Kim left TNA. They suffered, because they didn't have a top babyface. They tried with Taylor Wilde, who is a talented chick, but it didn't translate as well. She's still featured on Tv, but not in the way she was before. Same with Mickie James, who came the closest, but I don't know. Something just wasn't working.
Lita as well, like, it's a shame that something personally that happened, in which the person she hurt is now friends with her, still bothers other people. Lita, she was a girl who was different, and she stood out as a babyface, and had it not been for injuries, she could have been an even bigger star. Nobody has been able to fill her spot either.
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Post by Loki on May 1, 2009 10:16:30 GMT -5
Lita and Trish were NEVER draws by themselves...
At best, they were Special Attractions, kinda "they're hot AND they can wrestle too!". But they never went past that level, and arguably they reached the top of their popularity as sidekicks/props to other storylines.
About Mickie James and WM22, I don't want to talk about it anymore, but at this point you'd know what's my take on that...
The selling point of that angle was Mickie's "I'm gay for Trish" attitude, and the infamous pussy claw+fingerlick of doom was the perfect testament to that storyline.
I agree though, Jumping Bomb Angles were cool. But what future would have had a Women's division relying upon foreign (and I guess non-English speaking) stars?
Oh, and no, Wendi Richter was never WWF's #2 Top Star. She was over, but thanks to Cyndi Lauper. It could have been Velvet MacIntyre or Donna Christanello, and the angle would have worked just fine. It was Lauper who was selling it, not Richter.
WWE's standpoint on women's wrestling is hard to confute actually.
Good female wrestlers are few and far between, and would most likely require higher wages, better angles and more visibility.
Divas are dime-a-dozen, will work for less, any crappy angle/stipulation, because some WWE TV is better than no TV. And calendars, sexy specials etc are always a good thing to have on a resumè for aspiring D-list models.
Then, add that even with a very competent and positive approach and effort on WWE's part, Women's wrestling will HARDLY make it past the midcard status, while staying much closer to the "piss break" area than anything...
I mean, would it be worth it?
1) Lots of effort, money and time to get mediocre results
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2) Little effort, money and time to get mediocre results
To me, it's a no brainer...
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 10:37:43 GMT -5
Some very good points are being made in this tread
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 1, 2009 12:34:09 GMT -5
Lita and Trish were NEVER draws by themselves... At best, they were Special Attractions, kinda "they're hot AND they can wrestle too!". But they never went past that level, and arguably they reached the top of their popularity as sidekicks/props to other storylines. About Mickie James and WM22, I don't want to talk about it anymore, but at this point you'd know what's my take on that... The selling point of that angle was Mickie's "I'm gay for Trish" attitude, and the infamous pussy claw+fingerlick of doom was the perfect testament to that storyline. I agree though, Jumping Bomb Angles were cool. But what future would have had a Women's division relying upon foreign (and I guess non-English speaking) stars? Oh, and no, Wendi Richter was never WWF's #2 Top Star. She was over, but thanks to Cyndi Lauper. It could have been Velvet MacIntyre or Donna Christanello, and the angle would have worked just fine. It was Lauper who was selling it, not Richter. WWE's standpoint on women's wrestling is hard to confute actually. Good female wrestlers are few and far between, and would most likely require higher wages, better angles and more visibility. Divas are dime-a-dozen, will work for less, any crappy angle/stipulation, because some WWE TV is better than no TV. And calendars, sexy specials etc are always a good thing to have on a resumè for aspiring D-list models. Then, add that even with a very competent and positive approach and effort on WWE's part, Women's wrestling will HARDLY make it past the midcard status, while staying much closer to the "piss break" area than anything... I mean, would it be worth it? 1) Lots of effort, money and time to get mediocre results v 2) Little effort, money and time to get mediocre results To me, it's a no brainer... I would say they were draws. Certainly not to the point of an Austin, or a Rock. They were decent merch sellers, sold lots of dvds separately about them. Very few people are draws by themselves. During the hottest periods, Hogan had a Piper, and Austin had a McMahon. And, I wouldn't say they were sidekicks. Lita, by herself, was a pretty established star, as was Trish. The only time Trish was a sidekick was when she was with Christian, and when Christian was retired, Tomko was there as her bodyguard. Lita had a lot of injury issues, and was also a main part of the Hardys, kinda like how Matt and Jeff will always be somewhat linked too each other. They also had to capitalize on her hatred with Edge, and she was a pretty over heel. She had a lot of heat, which I feel women also have a hard time getting. They were pretty established stars, both of them, by themselves or with other people. Lita was the main event girl with Edge for a very long time, and usually was around the top of the card with the Hardys. So, maybe she had some help. Trish, on the other hand, was a big draw by herself. Women can be used as draws, maybe not a few years ago, but TNA is proof positive. Their highest ratings come from the Knockouts. Now, yeah, a good portion maybe the hot chicks, but keep in mind, they are also being presented, generally, in a positive light. It has been said that you know a territory is starting to pick up when more women come to the shows. Why? Because where women go, men follow. So, if along with viewing the male wrestlers as actual stars, if they view the female wrestlers as being to be emotionally attached to, then it could bring potentially more females to the show. I'll give a very small example. I went to an indy show in 05 in North Sydney, Nova Scotia, about a 5 minute drive from my parents house (Honky Tonk Man was on there, and recently, they've had Al Snow, Joey Matthews and others, usually when I'm not there, which pisses me off as they're some of my favourites). And there was one chick on the card as the referee, Samantha Swallows (which got a good reaction to the crowd with that name). However, during intermission, I noticed something. All the little girls ran up to this girl referee and wanted to talk to her and get autographs from her. All the girls were so interested in this chick, because they could relate to her. They didn't get the name reference, but they wanted to get to know her, because they looked up to her. And she was just a friggin ref. They could emotionally relate to her. So you have these two girls, fighting for something important like a title, or pride, or whatever, you'll get more girls coming to the show, and possibly being able to relate to them. They can't relate to models, most girls can't. Most guys can't relate to male models. So, there is a disconnect. But, with strong female wrestlers in strong storylines, you can get people to have an emotional connection with them, which is what pro wrestling is all about. |
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 1, 2009 12:38:47 GMT -5
This. It's unfair to blame the women. It's also such a ridiculous blanket statement to say "scrap the womens' division" when you have Phoenix, Melina, Gail, Nattie and a few other wrestlers that can actually work a match instead of random ass models thrown in there. Also, Mark Madden hates women. His opinion really shouldn't even count for a dime. Dude has no talent and fits better under someone like Russo- their whole philosophy on women is T & A. Without feminist ideas in wrestling Japanese women would not have been blowing away contemporary males in the 80s and 90s. This thread saddens me. So many woman-hating ideas; women are just pieces of meat? Awful. Women are just around to be chew toys for men? Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.  That's really snorking awful and it's a shame so many spineless women go along with it because they see themselves as having no other worth. Is that why feminist ideas don't belong in wrestling, so women know their place? I believe if a woman leaves her family, puts her body through hell, travels up and down the highways and becomes proficient at wrestling she should have an opportunity to be more than some male wrestler's chew toy or a piece of meat. But then again, I am not a hairy knuckled caveman. Of course the WWE does not respect the Divas. They proved that with the divas searches. Somehow being hot gets you a job women worked and trained for years to get. The WM battle royal proved it once again. They made them enter all together to Kid Rock. Kid Rock.  This has NOTHING to do with feminism or with our perception of women. And the comparison with Japanese wrestling is irrelevant to the point of it becoming "apples and bowling balls". Women's wrestling in AMERICA has never drawn a dime. Actually, it even struggled to get third-rate airtime on most shows... Otherwise how could have Moolah held onto her Women's Title for a lifetime??? Because nobody cared enough to force the title to be defended and featured on the shows. Let's take a look at the "most memorable" moments in women's wrestling since the First Boom: * Richter @ WMI. Courtesy of Cyndi Lauper. * Survivor Series Elimination Match: the push to the division lasted few months. * Chyna: who was treated like a freak, not like a competent female wrestler. * Cage match closing RAW: heh... who remembers that? * PUSSY CLAW! So.... in that disheartening scenario, I don't think the way Miss Wrestlemania ended was that bad. Actually, it was FITTING to what women's wrestling has been for most of those 25 years. Can't really take that "womens' wrestling in America has never drawn a dime" very seriously since no one has bothered to preserve women's wrestling history beyong Moolah so you don't know what was there. Moolah was a piece of work. Women were treated like crap because that's how they were thought of. It's a man's world, baby. Don't look at it with blinders. There's a reason the Mickie James incident sold- people care nothing about women wrestlers unless they're selling sex. And there's a reason for that. There's a reason why a woman can work just as hard as the men and be reduced to a walking/ talking piece of ass to grace the sigs of horny wrestling fans every where. There's a reason why women's wrestling (or any other female sport) is nothing more than masturbation fodder. There's a reason no woman expects to have a great wrestling career in actual wrestling terms, only in terms of how much they can be reduced to while getting a paycheck and there's a reason why women in the business accept this treatment. No one gives a good ***damn about a woman unless her tits are hanging out or her ass is hanging out. That's why. Women wrestlers are a piss break. Women wrestling is masturbation fodder, nothing more. That's wrestling for yah. To think Beth Phoenix grew up idolizing great wrestlers and the closest she can get to being a great wrestling is being a comedic prop for Santino. All because she wasn't born with the proper anatomy for success in wrestling. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 1, 2009 12:42:34 GMT -5
I always thought Trish was overrated myself.
By the time Trish came along, the division was awful: botched moves, bra and panties matches, catfights, bikini contests..etc. And then Trish could do a five minute match without botching something and suddenly she's a terrific women's wrestler. You see the same thing with people praising Kelly Kelly just because she's not as terrible anymore. People have such lowered standards for the women's division, they're willing to accept average as great and exceptional.
Trish never had a classic match. A few good ones, but never a classic match. Compared to Japanese women's wrestling, or even TNA women's division at it's peak (Kong/Gail period) she wasn't that exceptional at all.
And while we're talking about everything Trish did for the women's division, it should be noted, she's the one that came up with original "Molly is a fat ass" storyline. Which was a pretty repulsive storyline in general that sent the wrong message to girls everywhere.
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 12:42:36 GMT -5
So if WWE took a chance and made ECW the all diva show would it pull in ratings higher than it does now?
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Post by Miss RKO on May 1, 2009 12:53:21 GMT -5
I always thought Trish was overrated myself. By the time Trish came along, the division was awful: botched moves, bra and panties matches, catfights, bikini contests..etc. And then Trish could do a five minute match without botching something and suddenly she's a terrific women's wrestler. You see the same thing with people praising Kelly Kelly just because she's not as terrible anymore. People have such lowered standards for the women's division, they're willing to accept average as great and exceptional. Trish never had a classic match. A few good ones, but never a classic match. Compared to Japanese women's wrestling, or even TNA women's division at it's peak (Kong/Gail period) she wasn't that exceptional at all. And while we're talking about everything Trish did for the women's division, it should be noted, she's the one that came up with original "Molly is a fat ass" storyline. Which screwed over Molly and was a pretty repulsive storyline in general that sent the wrong message to girls everywhere. I feel Lita did more than Trish i mean Trish was decent in the ring but hardly one of the greatest female performers. Trish was carried to decent matches by the likes of Molly/Jazz/Victoria and while Trish was simply standing around Test and Albert it was Lita doing the high flying stuff. Lita wasn't the typical blonde Barbie Diva so thats why Trish is givien undeserved credit. |
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 12:58:08 GMT -5
I always thought Trish was overrated myself. By the time Trish came along, the division was awful: botched moves, bra and panties matches, catfights, bikini contests..etc. And then Trish could do a five minute match without botching something and suddenly she's a terrific women's wrestler. You see the same thing with people praising Kelly Kelly just because she's not as terrible anymore. People have such lowered standards for the women's division, they're willing to accept average as great and exceptional. Trish never had a classic match. A few good ones, but never a classic match. Compared to Japanese women's wrestling, or even TNA women's division at it's peak (Kong/Gail period) she wasn't that exceptional at all. And while we're talking about everything Trish did for the women's division, it should be noted, she's the one that came up with original "Molly is a fat ass" storyline. Which screwed over Molly and was a pretty repulsive storyline in general that sent the wrong message to girls everywhere. I feel Lita did more than Trish i mean Trish was decent in the ring but hardly one of the greatest female performers. Trish was carried to decent matches by the likes of Molly/Jazz/Victoria and while Trish was simply standing around Test and Albert it was Lita doing the high flying stuff. Lita wasn't the typical blonde Barbie Diva so thats why Trish is givien undeserved credit. I agree with both I dont think lita was the best wrestler infact take the 2 highflying moves away she was very average BUT she was very girl next door and IMO that got over very well if the love triangle didnt happen i think she would have been further in her career than trish-fortunately for trish she came into the divisions when there were actually women who could wrestle so she had a lot of people to help her look good in the ring |
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Post by parder on May 1, 2009 13:01:19 GMT -5
. And while we're talking about everything Trish did for the women's division, it should be noted, she's the one that came up with original "Molly is a fat ass" storyline. Which was a pretty repulsive storyline in general that sent the wrong message to girls everywhere. That's completely untrue. Molly said in her shoot it was Stephanie McMahon who was behind a lot of that along with the whole 'purity' gimmick once Stephanie got wind that Molly was legitimately still a virgin. If you watch the original 'fat ass' segment Trish is really not into saying those lines, so it doesn't sound like she came up with them. |
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Post by parder on May 1, 2009 13:02:13 GMT -5
Lita and Trish were NEVER draws by themselves... At best, they were Special Attractions, kinda "they're hot AND they can wrestle too!". But they never went past that level, and arguably they reached the top of their popularity as sidekicks/props to other storylines. About Mickie James and WM22, I don't want to talk about it anymore, but at this point you'd know what's my take on that... The selling point of that angle was Mickie's "I'm gay for Trish" attitude, and the infamous pussy claw+fingerlick of doom was the perfect testament to that storyline. I agree though, Jumping Bomb Angles were cool. But what future would have had a Women's division relying upon foreign (and I guess non-English speaking) stars? Oh, and no, Wendi Richter was never WWF's #2 Top Star. She was over, but thanks to Cyndi Lauper. It could have been Velvet MacIntyre or Donna Christanello, and the angle would have worked just fine. It was Lauper who was selling it, not Richter. WWE's standpoint on women's wrestling is hard to confute actually. Good female wrestlers are few and far between, and would most likely require higher wages, better angles and more visibility. Divas are dime-a-dozen, will work for less, any crappy angle/stipulation, because some WWE TV is better than no TV. And calendars, sexy specials etc are always a good thing to have on a resumè for aspiring D-list models. Then, add that even with a very competent and positive approach and effort on WWE's part, Women's wrestling will HARDLY make it past the midcard status, while staying much closer to the "piss break" area than anything... I mean, would it be worth it? 1) Lots of effort, money and time to get mediocre results v 2) Little effort, money and time to get mediocre results To me, it's a no brainer... I would say they were draws. Certainly not to the point of an Austin, or a Rock. They were decent merch sellers, sold lots of dvds separately about them. Very few people are draws by themselves. During the hottest periods, Hogan had a Piper, and Austin had a McMahon. And, I wouldn't say they were sidekicks. Lita, by herself, was a pretty established star, as was Trish. The only time Trish was a sidekick was when she was with Christian, and when Christian was retired, Tomko was there as her bodyguard. Lita had a lot of injury issues, and was also a main part of the Hardys, kinda like how Matt and Jeff will always be somewhat linked too each other. They also had to capitalize on her hatred with Edge, and she was a pretty over heel. She had a lot of heat, which I feel women also have a hard time getting. They were pretty established stars, both of them, by themselves or with other people. Lita was the main event girl with Edge for a very long time, and usually was around the top of the card with the Hardys. So, maybe she had some help. Trish, on the other hand, was a big draw by herself. Women can be used as draws, maybe not a few years ago, but TNA is proof positive. Their highest ratings come from the Knockouts. Now, yeah, a good portion maybe the hot chicks, but keep in mind, they are also being presented, generally, in a positive light. It has been said that you know a territory is starting to pick up when more women come to the shows. Why? Because where women go, men follow. So, if along with viewing the male wrestlers as actual stars, if they view the female wrestlers as being to be emotionally attached to, then it could bring potentially more females to the show. I'll give a very small example. I went to an indy show in 05 in North Sydney, Nova Scotia, about a 5 minute drive from my parents house (Honky Tonk Man was on there, and recently, they've had Al Snow, Joey Matthews and others, usually when I'm not there, which pisses me off as they're some of my favourites). And there was one chick on the card as the referee, Samantha Swallows (which got a good reaction to the crowd with that name). However, during intermission, I noticed something. All the little girls ran up to this girl referee and wanted to talk to her and get autographs from her. All the girls were so interested in this chick, because they could relate to her. They didn't get the name reference, but they wanted to get to know her, because they looked up to her. And she was just a friggin ref. They could emotionally relate to her. So you have these two girls, fighting for something important like a title, or pride, or whatever, you'll get more girls coming to the show, and possibly being able to relate to them. They can't relate to models, most girls can't. Most guys can't relate to male models. So, there is a disconnect. But, with strong female wrestlers in strong storylines, you can get people to have an emotional connection with them, which is what pro wrestling is all about. I LOVE this post and don't want it to get no sold. Kudos to you Andrew  |
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 1, 2009 13:02:49 GMT -5
I always thought Trish was overrated myself. By the time Trish came along, the division was awful: botched moves, bra and panties matches, catfights, bikini contests..etc. And then Trish could do a five minute match without botching something and suddenly she's a terrific women's wrestler. You see the same thing with people praising Kelly Kelly just because she's not as terrible anymore. People have such lowered standards for the women's division, they're willing to accept average as great and exceptional. Trish never had a classic match. A few good ones, but never a classic match. Compared to Japanese women's wrestling, or even TNA women's division at it's peak (Kong/Gail period) she wasn't that exceptional at all. And while we're talking about everything Trish did for the women's division, it should be noted, she's the one that came up with original "Molly is a fat ass" storyline. Which was a pretty repulsive storyline in general that sent the wrong message to girls everywhere. OH yeah ,that started my wrestling hiatus of about 3 years, right there. I find there's too much Diva ass-kissing where it's REALLY not deserved. NO Maria/McCool/Alicia have not improved and NOT Maryse is nothing special for being able to string together poses and act cocky. It's ridiculous that stuff even gets praise. Shows how low the bar is. |
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 1, 2009 13:06:10 GMT -5
Lita was highflying but she was not doing it safely. She almost broke a lot of necks, including her own. I think a wrestler should know how to have a safe match before being touted as a savior. I remember her messing up a Hurricanrana on Ivory and almost breaking Ivory's neck and Ivory did not take it well. . And while we're talking about everything Trish did for the women's division, it should be noted, she's the one that came up with original "Molly is a fat ass" storyline. Which was a pretty repulsive storyline in general that sent the wrong message to girls everywhere. That's completely untrue. Molly said in her shoot it was Stephanie McMahon who was behind a lot of that along with the whole 'purity' gimmick once Stephanie got wind that Molly was legitimately still a virgin. If you watch the original 'fat ass' segment Trish is really not into saying those lines, so it doesn't sound like she came up with them. I don't know who came up with it but whoever it is doing stuff like this and moving towards a half model half wrestler division has poor taste in women. Poor taste. |
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 13:08:31 GMT -5
I think Michelle Mcool has made vast improvement in the ring-
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 1, 2009 13:09:30 GMT -5
I think Michelle Mcool has made vast improvement in the ring- If she. Maria or even Maryse were males they've be future endeavored. I don't think hot talentless bimbos are worth a lot. Well, other than the vulgar they don't really have a use. I would say they were draws. Certainly not to the point of an Austin, or a Rock. They were decent merch sellers, sold lots of dvds separately about them. Very few people are draws by themselves. During the hottest periods, Hogan had a Piper, and Austin had a McMahon. And, I wouldn't say they were sidekicks. Lita, by herself, was a pretty established star, as was Trish. The only time Trish was a sidekick was when she was with Christian, and when Christian was retired, Tomko was there as her bodyguard. Lita had a lot of injury issues, and was also a main part of the Hardys, kinda like how Matt and Jeff will always be somewhat linked too each other. They also had to capitalize on her hatred with Edge, and she was a pretty over heel. She had a lot of heat, which I feel women also have a hard time getting. They were pretty established stars, both of them, by themselves or with other people. Lita was the main event girl with Edge for a very long time, and usually was around the top of the card with the Hardys. So, maybe she had some help. Trish, on the other hand, was a big draw by herself. Women can be used as draws, maybe not a few years ago, but TNA is proof positive. Their highest ratings come from the Knockouts. Now, yeah, a good portion maybe the hot chicks, but keep in mind, they are also being presented, generally, in a positive light. It has been said that you know a territory is starting to pick up when more women come to the shows. Why? Because where women go, men follow. So, if along with viewing the male wrestlers as actual stars, if they view the female wrestlers as being to be emotionally attached to, then it could bring potentially more females to the show. I'll give a very small example. I went to an indy show in 05 in North Sydney, Nova Scotia, about a 5 minute drive from my parents house (Honky Tonk Man was on there, and recently, they've had Al Snow, Joey Matthews and others, usually when I'm not there, which pisses me off as they're some of my favourites). And there was one chick on the card as the referee, Samantha Swallows (which got a good reaction to the crowd with that name). However, during intermission, I noticed something. All the little girls ran up to this girl referee and wanted to talk to her and get autographs from her. All the girls were so interested in this chick, because they could relate to her. They didn't get the name reference, but they wanted to get to know her, because they looked up to her. And she was just a friggin ref. They could emotionally relate to her. So you have these two girls, fighting for something important like a title, or pride, or whatever, you'll get more girls coming to the show, and possibly being able to relate to them. They can't relate to models, most girls can't. Most guys can't relate to male models. So, there is a disconnect. But, with strong female wrestlers in strong storylines, you can get people to have an emotional connection with them, which is what pro wrestling is all about. Werd. I like you. Treating women like humans is the first step. Of all the women who are wrestlers growing up in the Attitude Era not one of them list Sable as someone they aspired to be. It's all HBk, Jericho- it's always ALL men which always surprises me but I guess as a chick wrestling fan you're not going to be in to Sable, you're going to be into the wrestling. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 1, 2009 13:10:37 GMT -5
. And while we're talking about everything Trish did for the women's division, it should be noted, she's the one that came up with original "Molly is a fat ass" storyline. Which was a pretty repulsive storyline in general that sent the wrong message to girls everywhere. That's completely untrue. Molly said in her shoot it was Stephanie McMahon who was behind a lot of that along with the whole 'purity' gimmick once Stephanie got wind that Molly was legitimately still a virgin. If you watch the original 'fat ass' segment Trish is really not into saying those lines, so it doesn't sound like she came up with them. Trish was the one that came up with the first fat ass joke, but she didn't want to ask Molly herself so got Stephanie to do it. Thus, she started the whole thing. I think Stephanie is the one to blame for continuing it, but Trish started it. I'm sure Trish is a nice woman, and everyone says she is. But I wonder what it says about her that she looks at someone like Molly notices a physical imperfection and thinks "fat ass". And it wasn't like Molly was anything close to fat. Maybe she was a fitness model too long, I don't know. But when you make a big deal of out "female empowerment" like Trish did, and then mock a girl for not being a size 0, it seems a bit of a contradiction. |
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 13:16:16 GMT -5
Some of the divas who the IWC deem as useless- why are they kept around when WWE can easily hire cute shimmer or other indy talent?or as a cost cutting issue just get rid of them
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on May 1, 2009 13:18:30 GMT -5
The Divas aren't so much to blame, as opposed to WWE itself. Since the Attitude era it has been like this. Before that in the early 90's, Alundra Blayze and Bull Nakano were having awesome matches AND they had a crowd reaction...and neither of these women were eye candy. Fast forward to the late 90's and you have Sable going over talented women wrestlers like Jacqueline, Ivory and Luna. When Finlay took over training the women, somewhere between 2001-2003 they were actually doing alright. Trish, Lita, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jazz and a few others were having strong, competitive matches. Then that awful Diva Search came in.... Now they're PG and expect nearly all the women to wrestle which is bollocks because half of them shouldn't be anywhere near a ring. Add to that they're given about 2 seconds and usually a match is won by a excretory matterty roll up. Also no effort is made to create any character for these women. The heels are jealous sluts, the faces are smiley girl next door types. Beth Phoenix is someone that can do character IMO. Just listen to her promo at Backlash...I haven't heard a WWE Diva cut such coherent, well flowing promos for a long time. Most of them sound forced and arkward. Quite telling really...the most OVER female in the company is Vickie Guerrero, who is NOT a Diva. Yeah that diva search garbage was when womens wrestling in WWE officially died for me in my mind. No more emphasis on Molly vs Victoria feuds, just pie eating contests, and "diva bootcamp" nonsense. |
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 1, 2009 13:19:13 GMT -5
Some of the divas who the IWC deem as useless- why are they kept around when WWE can easily hire cute shimmer or other indy talent? I think that's already been detailed. Hiring models is easier because they often know nothing about wrestling, they can be cultivated the way WWE wants. They can all look perfect and do playboy or whatever else WWE requires of them. They can also learn wrestling the WWE way. They won't ask for much and okay with the fact that they're just jiggling pieces of meat. You can also herd them out like cattle when it's time to bring new models in. Of course, they tend to fall on their heads in the ring and generally shouldn't be in there so WWE employs "good hands" (actual wrestlers) to help the eye candy get over as wrestlers. It's the eye candy they're pushing. Also, women are just masturbation fodder and/or a piss break in wrestling so why bother? |
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Post by Snitsky on May 1, 2009 13:20:57 GMT -5
I think Michelle Mcool has made vast improvement in the ring- If she. Maria or even Maryse were males they've be future endeavored. I don't think hot talentless bimbos are worth a lot. Well, other than the vulgar they don't really have a use. . yeah they are a dime a dozen however i still do think michelle has made a great improvement and she seems to be comitted to doing that- maybe some of the girls are so sure they have job security they do not feel the need to try and imprve in the ring? |
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