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Post by Hurbster on Oct 6, 2009 6:42:11 GMT -5
Looking forward to this, can't understand all the whining and crying about it.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 6, 2009 6:48:29 GMT -5
Looking forward to this, can't understand all the whining and crying about it. Then let that be enough for you, I mean if you like Iron Man matches then you'll be in for a real treat on the night of the PPV. But not everyone feels that way. For myself, I never really cared about how many moves a guy could do or to see some actual "wrestling". I just like to see my favorites win, that's all. And Iron Man matches generally bore me as you know nothing of note will happen in the first 50 or so minutes. It's just guys exchanging holds back and forth, if that works for you, more power to you, but for me it's just boring. |
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Post by Robbymac on Oct 6, 2009 6:57:15 GMT -5
No one is disagreeing with you. I'm simply pointing out that there was another match made under almost identical circumstances that everyone and their mother said would suck and turned out to be incredible. Thats all. Eh. I wouldn't know. Back in those days I didn't go on wrestling forums. I checked news sites and such but that was about it. I only started coming to forums when all my friends stopped watching because I had no one to talk about wrestling with anymore. I am just tired of people bringing up the Attitude Era and such when people make legit complaints about todays booking or wrestlers. If you do not like Cena someone has to bring up Austin or Rock and try to poke holes in them or how they were booked or whatever. Ten years ago was ten years ago, I was entertained then. Im not now. See what I am saying? Well I did, and I can promise you the things people were saying about that match were almost identical. And thats ALL I'm saying. I'm not saying Orton and Cena isn't getting old. I'm not saying they're going to put on a five star classic. I'm not even saying I'm personally looking forward to the match. I'm just pointing out that the last time that the prevailing opinion was "these two guys have wrestled god knows how many times in the past few years and now you're going to subject them to an hour match...this is gonna suck" What we got was a phenomenal MOTY candidate. Just warning caution, and saying people should give this a chance to suck. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 6, 2009 7:18:37 GMT -5
How many times are we going to see these two wrestle? This is worst then when Batista kept facing Edge a couple years ago. 60 mins of Cena? Yeah......no. Let me guess 30 mins will be Randy Orton's Chinlock. The worst part of this that not only is it beating a dead horse with the same damn ME. But it hurt the purpose of HIAC. HIAC has always been a feud ender. Yet they go on just like another match.
The reason why people are complaining is because they want a different ME for once. Cena vs. Orton doesn't spell exciting anymore. Being that these two faced off against each other like 5 times before and last year they faced off in a three way. Guess what the guy in that three way last year's WM. was the other guy Orton feud all over this last two years. 90% of Orton feud as been Cena and HHH for almost two years now.
I'm not getting excited over a 60 min match. Because it is against the same two guys I've seen in HIAC, I Quit, singles, and ext. Big deal Cena losses he leaves Raw. Yeah so what if it's no DQ and no Count Out. Guess what HIAC and The I Quit match had the same rules No DQ or Countdowns there either. You know what else I find this match not that exciting is because non of there other matches have been all that great. That been ok at best but like the I Quit match where Cena being SuperCena. No sells all the beat down that Orton gave him. Wins a match with still handcuffed? Yeah ok.
To say this match is going to be MOTY Candiate. I doubt it because there other matches haven't been that. No way these two are going to out do HBK vs. Taker anyway.
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Post by TheJaredAnderson on Oct 6, 2009 7:46:34 GMT -5
my girlfriend doesn't even watch wrestling and she said "AGAIN!?"
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 6, 2009 7:54:52 GMT -5
The big issue I feel is that these two keep facing eachother because there is no-one else. The WWE has done a piss poor job of elevating people. Regardless of who wins, who is the champion gonna face next? The post earlier broke it down better. There's not a single credible main eventer who is free outside of Cena and Orton.
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Post by Ringmaster on Oct 6, 2009 8:34:54 GMT -5
i did'nt but you may notice by my sig that i was't even watching in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2009 8:45:46 GMT -5
Once they said it was going to be at "Bragging Rights", I did turn the channel - I had a football game to watch. Screw Raw for one night.
I kept flipping back, and there were matches I didn't care about. Miz vs. Kofi Kingston? Chavo & Chris Masters against MVP & Mark Henry? This wasn't even a good episode of WWF Jakked, for crap sakes.
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Post by Melissalicious on Oct 6, 2009 8:49:43 GMT -5
I was sorely tempted to flip to something else, but then Orton started making stipulations. While the match itself will likely be uninteresting, too long, and a rehashing of everything they've done over the last x months, the ONLY saving grave about this match is that it's a win-win for me.
Cena becomes champ, effectively (hopefully) ceasing this never-ending storyline and allowing for both Cena and Orton to do something ELSE.
Cena leaves for Smackdown, Randy stays on Raw.
So. Win-win. I'd be super pissed about the match, if we didn't have those stips.
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Post by JDviant on Oct 6, 2009 8:59:35 GMT -5
Even for 60 minutes, Cena can be entertaining in these types of matches, and Orton needs to win this, in my eyes, to gain some actual credibility as a viable heel champion capable of having a good run. His other reigns are mostly lackluster, and he hasn't really felt 'strong' to me since before mania. Beating Cena in a match like this - with John then leaving Raw - returns Orton to where he was a year ago.
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Post by Peeetah on Oct 6, 2009 9:07:06 GMT -5
I find not watching Raw at all saves me alot of irrtation/bafflement/exasperation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2009 9:09:11 GMT -5
SPOILER: During the match, Orton does something to Cena that is painful, and Cena makes constipated faces while fighting through the pain.
Anyway, at least it's nodq no countout, so it's not like Randy's gonna just chinlock him to death for half the match.
...He'll still get a few in though. =P
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Post by TheJaredAnderson on Oct 6, 2009 9:47:10 GMT -5
I find not watching Raw at all saves me alot of irrtation/bafflement/exasperation. This plus I think reading the results softens the blow significantly, but it increases 10 fold when you go out of your way to catch Raw. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2009 9:59:17 GMT -5
If anything, if I read the results, I can make a decision whether to catch it on the Spanish channel on the weekend.
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Post by sunnytaker on Oct 6, 2009 10:32:25 GMT -5
I haven't seen an ironman match in a long time. Isn't the first 15 minutes usually just the two guys staring at each other attempting to do a test of strength? And then an additional 5 minutes as the heel continually backs out of the test of strength because of his timidness? and given orton's presence- 30 minutes of chinlocks. |
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Post by Twincest on Oct 6, 2009 11:11:38 GMT -5
The match announcement didn't make me want to change the channel, but Cena's proclamation that it will be the best match ever almost did.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 6, 2009 11:20:44 GMT -5
Here's the thing that gets me.
They JUST had a Hell in a Cell match. What the WWE once considered THE fued ender. HBK/HHH ended there, Lesnar/Taker ended there, HHH/Foley (their main fued) ended there.
So you're expecting your audience to believe that the next step up from a match of this high magnitude and brutality is...a No Holds Barred Iron Man match. A match that, as people have mentioned with a few exceptions (Lesnar/Angle being the big one) is 50 minutes of holds and slow pacing and 10 minutes of actual match.
To me, that's kind of like saying 'You know what you're going to do next after going to Las Vegas and striking it rich...going to Blackpool Pleasure Beach!'. Both are kinda cool in their own ways, but one is super awesome and the other...is Blackpool Pleasure Beach.
And also, I wouldn't mind Cena/Orton again if it didn't feel like the only reason they're fueding at all is so that the bookers can throw every match stipulation at them to use.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Oct 6, 2009 11:24:56 GMT -5
Normally, I'd be right on the bandwagon, but if it means their feud FINALLY ends, let it happen. Cena wins back his belt, Orton goes to Smackdown, we finally get a new dynamic for the title hunt.
Though who would go up against Cena next?
Eh, as long as it's not the damned Viper...
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Post by Robbymac on Oct 6, 2009 11:27:04 GMT -5
Normally, I'd be right on the bandwagon, but if it means their feud FINALLY ends, let it happen. Cena wins back his belt, Orton goes to Smackdown, we finally get a new dynamic for the title hunt. Though who would go up against Cena next? Eh, as long as it's not the damned Viper... Orton doesn't go to Smackdown with a loss, only Cena. |
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Post by Melissalicious on Oct 6, 2009 11:30:22 GMT -5
Here's the thing that gets me. They JUST had a Hell in a Cell match. What the WWE once considered THE fued ender. HBK/HHH ended there, Lesnar/Taker ended there, HHH/Foley (their main fued) ended there. So you're expecting your audience to believe that the next step up from a match of this high magnitude and brutality is...a No Holds Barred Iron Man match. THIS was exactly my first reaction. I am still miffed over the whole HIAC PPV. It was just a pathetic attempt for the WWE to garner some PPV buys, and it completely negates any effect a HIAC match is SUPPOSED to have - on a feud and with the audience. To say a feud of this caliber is going to be ended with ... a freaking IRON MAN MATCH? C'mon. Now Creative just isn't even TRYING. Granted, No DQ, no countout - yeah, that makes it MARGINALLY interesting. And Cena's "enthusiasm" over the match, saying it will essentially be the best ever, really had me grinding my teeth over it. It's just a waste of time, money, and energy - for the company, the superstars, and the fans - but the sooner this poorly executed feud is over, the better, and I'm almost to the point of not really caring about the means to achieve such an end. |
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