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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 25, 2009 19:01:42 GMT -5
I think a Danielson push could work in two ways: The Punk method of gradually building up on the reaction he gets from the crowd and put in the title scene in 2, 2 and a half years, or the Lesnar method of allowing him instant impact and have him tearing through the ranks and getting a title shot six months after he arrives.
It all depends on their confidence in his abilities and his ability to get over on a national stage.
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Post by Ringmaster on Oct 25, 2009 20:19:27 GMT -5
good on McGuinness, he will actually get a push as indicated by IMPACt as he attacked the top guy, very effective way to make people notice him.
Amdrag however will get a 20 second promo on ECW as he either jobs to tyler reks, or beats him and jobs to christian. 4 weeks later E scratch there head as they wonder why he isnt connecting with the crowd, soon after he is endevoured.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Oct 25, 2009 20:26:14 GMT -5
good on McGuinness, he will actually get a push as indicated by IMPACt as he attacked the top guy, very effective way to make people notice him. Amdrag however will get a 20 second promo on ECW as he either jobs to tyler reks, or beats him and jobs to christian. 4 weeks later E scratch there head as they wonder why he isnt connecting with the crowd, soon after he is endevoured. Good to know Wrestlecrap has a steady supply of Psychics walking around. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 0:03:52 GMT -5
good on McGuinness, he will actually get a push as indicated by IMPACt as he attacked the top guy, very effective way to make people notice him. Amdrag however will get a 20 second promo on ECW as he either jobs to tyler reks, or beats him and jobs to christian. 4 weeks later E scratch there head as they wonder why he isnt connecting with the crowd, soon after he is endevoured. yeah just like that CM Punk. seriously what is it with people lately and damning things before they happen? everyone thought CM Punk wouldn't make it and he did. everyone thought the Cena/Orton match would suck and it didn't (subjective i know but still the majority of people seemed to like it) everyone thought DX would bury Legacy and they didn't. why don't we wait and see what happens before damning everything? hasn't WWE been after Amdrag for years? i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be looking at him if they didn't think they could use him right and if they didn't have something for him. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 26, 2009 0:46:23 GMT -5
good on McGuinness, he will actually get a push as indicated by IMPACt as he attacked the top guy, very effective way to make people notice him. Amdrag however will get a 20 second promo on ECW as he either jobs to tyler reks, or beats him and jobs to christian. 4 weeks later E scratch there head as they wonder why he isnt connecting with the crowd, soon after he is endevoured. yeah just like that CM Punk. seriously what is it with people lately and damning things before they happen? everyone thought CM Punk wouldn't make it and he did. well lets see. with Bryan Danielson recently signing with WWE lets compare past ROH stars and their success in WWE. more specifically, lets compare the WWE career of CM Punk to, oh i don't know, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Scotty Goldman, Jamie Noble, Jimmy Yang and Evan "Had a bright future in ECW but now I'm a jobber on Raw" Bourne. CM Punk is the exception not the rule, and the statistics are in favor that Danielson will be used badly |
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Post by Ringmaster on Oct 26, 2009 0:57:20 GMT -5
good on McGuinness, he will actually get a push as indicated by IMPACt as he attacked the top guy, very effective way to make people notice him. Amdrag however will get a 20 second promo on ECW as he either jobs to tyler reks, or beats him and jobs to christian. 4 weeks later E scratch there head as they wonder why he isnt connecting with the crowd, soon after he is endevoured. yeah just like that CM Punk. seriously what is it with people lately and damning things before they happen? everyone thought CM Punk wouldn't make it and he did. everyone thought the Cena/Orton match would suck and it didn't (subjective i know but still the majority of people seemed to like it) everyone thought DX would bury Legacy and they didn't. why don't we wait and see what happens before damning everything? hasn't WWE been after Amdrag for years? i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be looking at him if they didn't think they could use him right and if they didn't have something for him. yeah cuz Chris harris,Aj styles,low ki(1st run),frankie kazarian,Colt Cabana,kid cash,and numerous others are all doing so well in wwe right now, i hate the punk example it be like if someone said well people named dwayne don't get pushes and then using the rock as an example, it isn't the same thing in both cases it was catching lightning in a bottle, im no psychic it does'nt take one with wwe poor track record with young talent from other promotions. |
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Oct 26, 2009 1:04:11 GMT -5
yeah just like that CM Punk. seriously what is it with people lately and damning things before they happen? everyone thought CM Punk wouldn't make it and he did. well lets see. with Bryan Danielson recently signing with WWE lets compare past ROH stars and their success in WWE. more specifically, lets compare the WWE career of CM Punk to, oh i don't know, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Scotty Goldman, Jamie Noble, Jimmy Yang and Evan "Had a bright future in ECW but now I'm a jobber on Raw" Bourne. CM Punk is the exception not the rule, and the statistics are in favor that Danielson will be used badly Why crop the part of his post that explains he just doesn't like the "Oh he's going to be buried the WWE is evil" mindset before somebody debuts. Anyway both London and Kendrick had a lengthy title reign and Kendrick was involved in a World Title angle that didn't go anywhere because of his choices. Jamie Noble is a road agent who is probably quite happy with his spot in the company. Bourne is featured almost every week and makes people look great. Do i think he deserves a little shine, sure, but that doesn't mean he isn't doing fine. As for Goldie, They messed up with that one but you make mistakes with talent. Plus like he said the E was after Danielson, why assume they just want him to misuse him? |
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Post by Ringmaster on Oct 26, 2009 1:58:03 GMT -5
well lets see. with Bryan Danielson recently signing with WWE lets compare past ROH stars and their success in WWE. more specifically, lets compare the WWE career of CM Punk to, oh i don't know, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Scotty Goldman, Jamie Noble, Jimmy Yang and Evan "Had a bright future in ECW but now I'm a jobber on Raw" Bourne. CM Punk is the exception not the rule, and the statistics are in favor that Danielson will be used badly Why crop the part of his post that explains he just doesn't like the "Oh he's going to be buried the WWE is evil" mindset before somebody debuts. Anyway both London and Kendrick had a lengthy title reign and Kendrick was involved in a World Title angle that didn't go anywhere because of his choices. Jamie Noble is a road agent who is probably quite happy with his spot in the company. Bourne is featured almost every week and makes people look great. Do i think he deserves a little shine, sure, but that doesn't mean he isn't doing fine. As for Goldie, They messed up with that one but you make mistakes with talent. Plus like he said the E was after Danielson, why assume they just want him to misuse him? becuase the E has had other people in there sight's hired them and squandered it away, ( most notably goldberg ) |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Oct 26, 2009 3:14:57 GMT -5
yeah cuz Chris harris,Aj styles,low ki(1st run),frankie kazarian,Colt Cabana,kid cash,and numerous others are all doing so well in wwe right now ...and with the exception of AJ you could argue that TNA squandered all those guys talents as well. EVERY company misuses some talent at times. But sometimes, sometimes things work out. I am hoping this is one of those times because Dragon deserves it and wrestling fans deserve Dragon. |
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Post by ilggant on Oct 26, 2009 5:29:05 GMT -5
yeah just like that CM Punk. seriously what is it with people lately and damning things before they happen? everyone thought CM Punk wouldn't make it and he did. well lets see. with Bryan Danielson recently signing with WWE lets compare past ROH stars and their success in WWE. more specifically, lets compare the WWE career of CM Punk to, oh i don't know, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Scotty Goldman, Jamie Noble, Jimmy Yang and Evan "Had a bright future in ECW but now I'm a jobber on Raw" Bourne. CM Punk is the exception not the rule, and the statistics are in favor that Danielson will be used badly Don't know, Paul London and Brian Kendrick had pretty successful runs at the 'E, if you ask me. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 6:27:50 GMT -5
yeah cuz Chris harris,Aj styles,low ki(1st run),frankie kazarian,Colt Cabana,kid cash,and numerous others are all doing so well in wwe right now ...and with the exception of AJ you could argue that TNA squandered all those guys talents as well. EVERY company misuses some talent at times. But sometimes, sometimes things work out. I am hoping this is one of those times because Dragon deserves it and wrestling fans deserve Dragon.  |
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Post by MCMGM on Oct 26, 2009 7:07:11 GMT -5
Whatever works for the both of them.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 26, 2009 7:09:03 GMT -5
I wonder if Danielson will be another New Superstar Initiative guy. Hopefully he'll be more Jack Swagger than DJ Gabriel.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 26, 2009 7:38:08 GMT -5
good on McGuinness, he will actually get a push as indicated by IMPACt as he attacked the top guy, very effective way to make people notice him. Amdrag however will get a 20 second promo on ECW as he either jobs to tyler reks, or beats him and jobs to christian. 4 weeks later E scratch there head as they wonder why he isnt connecting with the crowd, soon after he is endevoured. yeah just like that CM Punk. seriously what is it with people lately and damning things before they happen? everyone thought CM Punk wouldn't make it and he did. everyone thought the Cena/Orton match would suck and it didn't (subjective i know but still the majority of people seemed to like it) everyone thought DX would bury Legacy and they didn't. why don't we wait and see what happens before damning everything? hasn't WWE been after Amdrag for years? i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be looking at him if they didn't think they could use him right and if they didn't have something for him. I dont damn everything. Just, you must understand that WWE has a pretty poor track record when it comes to certain things. One of those things happens to be building talent effectively, especially since WCW closed down. With no competition they can arbitrarily push or depush anyone, hire or fire anyone they want to. You saw it when the WCW roster came in and were used as jobbers and jokes until Vince got bored of that and got rid of most of them. Same with ECW when he decided to revive that brand. WWE isn't so good at pushing technical wrestlers with a lack of charisma or flair on the mic. Punk has both. Hence his push. Danielson not so much. WWE just isn't a good fit for him. For every Chris Benoit or Bret Hart you can point to, theres 20 Lance Storm or Charlie Haas examples. WWE is all about flair and showmanship. Not pure wrestling or five star matches. TNA is a better balance of the two, hence Nigel being a better fit there, as well as most indie guys like Daniels, Joe, Homicide, AJ, etc. A good example was that Iron Man Match tonight. I watched it and it was hardly about wrestling. It vaguely resembled it. The majority of the match was a bunch of punching, kicking, and stalling leading to goofy spots like Randy Orton attempting to murder John Cena with fireworks [why didnt the guy just bring a knife and shank him in the gut if he was willing to go that far?] or Randy Orton throwing Cena through a wall that randomly explodes into fairy dust. It looked more like a long, drawn out action movie fight scene, complete with a bunch of hokey camera angles zooming in on Orton gritting his teeth and spazzing out. I dont know, I just cant see AmDrag thriving in an environment that resembles pro wrestling less and less everyday and a cheap, sanitized Hollywood fight scene more and more everyday. Hopefully I am wrong, but I would bet more on him getting the Lance Storm treatment. |
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Post by Spudz on Oct 26, 2009 8:38:23 GMT -5
How would a I-C/US title reign and 4x time a tag champ in like 3 years be bad?
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Post by Cypress on Oct 26, 2009 9:52:37 GMT -5
Danielson is on record as saying he just wants to get paid right now, so supporting his family is taking precedent over the fake win/loss record of his wrestling character. Can't knock em for that. Even if he gets jobbed out he can go right back to being ROH/Indy king like he never left. Its a no lose situation for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 10:03:17 GMT -5
I think Danielson will be fine. He might not be pushed as much as CM Punk but that's okay.
I'm assuming Danielson will go to ECW and be given a push there, which is probably the best thing for him starting out.
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Post by poi zen rana on Oct 26, 2009 10:33:50 GMT -5
yeah cuz Chris harris,Aj styles,low ki(1st run),frankie kazarian,Colt Cabana,kid cash,and numerous others are all doing so well in wwe right now ...and with the exception of AJ you could argue that TNA squandered all those guys talents as well. I don't think you can make that good of an argument that TNA misused all of those guys. Chris Harris has never been bigger than when he was in AMW. They were a very over tag team and had some great matches and feuds. Low ki did all right in Triple X and had more title wins in TNA than he did anywhere else. Kaz had some big matches and was upper midcard for a while before becoming Suicide and being the face of the X division for quite sometime. Kid Kash like Low Ki had more title reigns in TNA than he did anywhere else. I don't recall Cabana ever being s full member of TNA but if he was then yes they likely misused him for the simple fact that I haven't heard about it. So while I am not saying all of these guys recieved uber pushes I think saying TNA wasted them all would be saying a bit much. |
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Post by Spudz on Oct 26, 2009 12:12:54 GMT -5
Chris Harris had how many months to be in shape before he showed up on ECW?
Low-Ki is technically in his 1st run right now. He didn't have a deal with WWE when he appeared several times on tv for them
AJ Styles never had a deal with WWE either, one match don't count.
Kaz chose to leave WWE after just a few months, before WWE even had a chance to do anything with him.
Kash got release from WWE for having a bad attitude. A bad attitude is not going to get you much when you just step foot in the company and will lead you back out the door.
A not so good attitude is why Goldberg wasn't push to God status that some wanted him to have. WWE pushed him as a Main Event guy what else could they have done with him the year he was there. Have him beat 99% of his opponents in short matches like he did in WCW?
Let's just blame WWE and never the individual themselves for not having better success in WWE.
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Post by Ringmaster on Oct 26, 2009 15:33:33 GMT -5
yeah cuz Chris harris,Aj styles,low ki(1st run),frankie kazarian,Colt Cabana,kid cash,and numerous others are all doing so well in wwe right now ...and with the exception of AJ you could argue that TNA squandered all those guys talents as well. EVERY company misuses some talent at times. But sometimes, sometimes things work out. I am hoping this is one of those times because Dragon deserves it and wrestling fans deserve Dragon. It was more of me giving an example, TNA is idiotic with there booking of aquired talents, but i ask you this, why is it whe a wwe star goes to tna they acknowledge his great achivement and showcase him in that way, and in almost every single instance if a tna wrestler goes to wwe there a young blue chipper, with little or no fanfare ? |
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