McGuiness to TNA. Danielson to WWE [UPDATE]

[richter]

Comparing Desmond's debut to someone like Mankind is not the same. Mankind had weeks of build up through video features. Desmond was just some guy who showed up backstage one week.

[AriadosMan]

Oct 25, 2009 11:40:46 GMT -5 richter said:

Comparing Desmond's debut to someone like Mankind is not the same. Mankind had weeks of build up through video features. Desmond was just some guy who showed up backstage one week.

At this point I don't even care about the video stuff. All I want to see is somebody debut and flat out KICK SOME ASS like they did in the Monday Night Wars. Desmond is the most recent version I've seen. It's very rare now.

[Tea & Crumpets]

I wish Nigel had gone to WWE as I'm utterly out of the loop with TNA since 2007. I remember/know snippets but that's all.

I hope Dragon signs for WWE, he could definitely get over as a wrestler in the mould of a Benoit.

There's 4 others I'd like to see in WWE, 1 did happen then didn't, the other 3 probably will never happen: Claudio, Chris Hero, Larry Sweeney & Eddie Kingston. Claudio never even made it to OVW, nobody knows why (NOT Visa issues). Hero is awesome but probably doesn't have the WWE look. Kingston is the best promo man in the world today bar none, but definitely doesn't have the WWE look and while he seems to be sober now, his alcohol issues in 2008 make him a worry. Sweeney, despite being a tiny guy, has a decent look, heaps of charisma, and is a solid wrestler. He'd make a good heel manager if managers weren't extinct in WWE, he'd make a great heel announcer, he'd be a decent midcard heel wrestler. But his own personal issues over the last several months, plus his lack of size, make me doubt he'll ever go to WWE.

But hey, I can still dream of (and EWR-ize) a day where Sweeney, the Kings of Wrestling, Danielson, Nigel, Kingston and Punk are all doing awesome stuff in WWE.

[Taupy]

Oct 25, 2009 13:51:27 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

Claudio never even made it to OVW, nobody knows why (NOT Visa issues).

Wasn't it because they asked him to finish his bookings and after to report to OVW, but he decided to cancel his bookings instead?

[Urethra Franklin]

Oct 25, 2009 13:51:27 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

I wish Nigel had gone to WWE as I'm utterly out of the loop with TNA since 2007. I remember/know snippets but that's all.

I hope Dragon signs for WWE, he could definitely get over as a wrestler in the mould of a Benoit.

There's 4 others I'd like to see in WWE, 1 did happen then didn't, the other 3 probably will never happen: Claudio, Chris Hero, Larry Sweeney & Eddie Kingston. Claudio never even made it to OVW, nobody knows why (NOT Visa issues). Hero is awesome but probably doesn't have the WWE look. Kingston is the best promo man in the world today bar none, but definitely doesn't have the WWE look and while he seems to be sober now, his alcohol issues in 2008 make him a worry. Sweeney, despite being a tiny guy, has a decent look, heaps of charisma, and is a solid wrestler. He'd make a good heel manager if managers weren't extinct in WWE, he'd make a great heel announcer, he'd be a decent midcard heel wrestler. But his own personal issues over the last several months, plus his lack of size, make me doubt he'll ever go to WWE.

But hey, I can still dream of (and EWR-ize) a day where Sweeney, the Kings of Wrestling, Danielson, Nigel, Kingston and Punk are all doing awesome stuff in WWE.

I'm kinda surprised we still don't know what the Double C deal was and it's a couple of years after the fact. He's an absolute no-brainer for WWE.

I agree with your Sweeney and Kingston assessments, but I disagree about Hero. Up until a year ago, I would have agreed wholeheartedly, but I think there's something a lot more professional (for a lack of a better term) about him these days. He's much more polished both in the ring and with his look. He also cuts a passable promo. The one thing that might kill him, though, is that, even though he's a tall guy, he really needs some upper body size. He's downright skinny compared to the average WWE worker.

[Tea & Crumpets]

Oct 25, 2009 13:59:34 GMT -5 Urethra Franklin said:

The one thing that might kill him, though, is that, even though he's a tall guy, he really needs some upper body size. He's downright skinny compared to the average WWE worker.

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That's what I meant by probably doesn't have the look. He seems too man-on-the-street physique wise, by WWE's standards. In real terms he's in cracking shape but stick him next to WWE wrestlers and he doesn't look it the same.

And nah, Claudio did finish all his bookings. Plans were changed so he could drop all the tag titles he had but he finished all his bookings, already had a Visa as he couldn't ever have wrestled in Americca otherwise, but just got cut in around a month or so.

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Oct 25, 2009 14:40:23 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

already had a Visa as he couldn't ever have wrestled in Americca otherwise

Angelina Love has proven otherwise.

[Bobafett]

I suppose you gotta thinkabout WWE's way of working in general, striking while the irons hot isn't something they seem to do much, they play it safe, and when they do it tends to be either bad choices, guys that bail after all the effort or guys that can't handle it (Warrior, Lesner, Lashley andto an extent Jeff Hardy )


now I'm not gonna say this will happen 100% but look at WWE's track record in all this, they take guys, put em in development, sometimes for a lil too long then they debut with little fanfare and if you are not lucky enough to already have a fanbase from the indy circuit, you are in midcard hell at best

so its either 1-2 years in FCW untill WWE thinks you are good enough (even though its frickin' AmDrag ) THEN you may get a call up and IF you are lucky you may get vignettes and a decent feud

or do you go to TNA, get on TV almost straight away and make SOME name for yourself, THEN maybe sign for WWE if thats what you still want or stay and be a TNA man for life

I'd choose TNA if i was given the choice

[Allie Kitsune]

Oct 25, 2009 15:57:33 GMT -5 Bobafett said:

I suppose you gotta thinkabout WWE's way of working in general, striking while the irons hot isn't something they seem to do much, they play it safe, and when they do it tends to be either bad choices, guys that bail after all the effort or guys that can't handle it (Warrior, Lesner, Lashley andto an extent Jeff Hardy )


now I'm not gonna say this will happen 100% but look at WWE's track record in all this, they take guys, put em in development, sometimes for a lil too long then they debut with little fanfare and if you are not lucky enough to already have a fanbase from the indy circuit, you are in midcard hell at best

so its either 1-2 years in FCW untill WWE thinks you are good enough (even though its frickin' AmDrag ) THEN you may get a call up and IF you are lucky you may get vignettes and a decent feud

or do you go to TNA, get on TV almost straight away and make SOME name for yourself, THEN maybe sign for WWE if thats what you still want or stay and be a TNA man for life

I'd choose TNA if i was given the choice

I think it also depends on how old you are.

Yeah, if you're 22/23/24, sign with TNA. You can get out of there by the time you're 27, sign with the E, and still have a long enough career there that they might just give you a sustained push.

But if you're already 29/30/31, and sign with TNA, you'd be pushing 35 by the time your contract ran out, and WWE will be extremely hesitant to give you any sort of real push.

[Azrael from Outerspace]

Oct 25, 2009 15:57:33 GMT -5 Bobafett said:

I suppose you gotta thinkabout WWE's way of working in general, striking while the irons hot isn't something they seem to do much, they play it safe, and when they do it tends to be either bad choices, guys that bail after all the effort or guys that can't handle it (Warrior, Lesner, Lashley andto an extent Jeff Hardy )


now I'm not gonna say this will happen 100% but look at WWE's track record in all this, they take guys, put em in development, sometimes for a lil too long then they debut with little fanfare and if you are not lucky enough to already have a fanbase from the indy circuit, you are in midcard hell at best

so its either 1-2 years in FCW untill WWE thinks you are good enough (even though its frickin' AmDrag ) THEN you may get a call up and IF you are lucky you may get vignettes and a decent feud

or do you go to TNA, get on TV almost straight away and make SOME name for yourself, THEN maybe sign for WWE if thats what you still want or stay and be a TNA man for life

I'd choose TNA if i was given the choice

Do you really think Danielson is going to spend one to two years in devo?

[Bobafett]

CM Punk did, Colt Cabana did

what Im saying is, i wouldn't put it past em, I can understand if they are very raw and need to learn to work WWE style, but experienced indy guys, maybe a few months at most just to get used to the ring nd stuff, but not too long

[Allie Kitsune]

Let's not forget that Kaval (Senshi/Low-Ki) is still in FCW, too.

[HMARK Center]

Oct 25, 2009 16:44:21 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Let's not forget that Kaval (Senshi/Low-Ki) is still in FCW, too.

To be fair, I think that's mainly because Ki is still recovering from knee surgery.

Cabana didn't spend long at all in development, but, then again, when they brought him up, it seems like it was purely as a jobber on Smackdown, though I remember hearing that he got somewhat highlighted on the lesser shows.

After that...gone.

[Azrael from Outerspace]

Oct 25, 2009 16:51:27 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Oct 25, 2009 16:44:21 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Let's not forget that Kaval (Senshi/Low-Ki) is still in FCW, too.

To be fair, I think that's mainly because Ki is still recovering from knee surgery.

And from all accounts and watching the matches i'd say he would have been called up at the NTI if not for getting surgery.

[azz0r]

Im a big fan of how the debuted Wolf...but honestly I prefer the Punk route WWE often takes.

Hot shotting someone to the top doesnt work out in the long run, they don't progress with the audience and they end up doing everything there is to be done too soon (see Lesnar).

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Oct 25, 2009 16:44:21 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Let's not forget that Kaval (Senshi/Low-Ki) is still in FCW, too.

Pretty sure that's due to his injury. Also, I'm pretty sure AmDrag has come out and said that the deal he signed has him by passing developmental.

[Spudz]

People forget that Danielson spent a good year in Memphis in 2000-01 for WWE . The "WWE Style" hasn't change that much... Danielson isn't going to spend much time in Florida if any.

He'll probably just show up on whatever brand within the next few months and the internet will explode with shock that he didn't even go to FCW.

[Bubble Lead]

Oct 25, 2009 17:33:20 GMT -5 Spudz said:

People forget that Danielson spent a good year in Memphis in 2000-01 for WWE . The "WWE Style" hasn't change that much... Danielson isn't going to spend much time in Florida if any.

He'll probably just show up on whatever brand within the next few months and the internet will explode with shock that he didn't even go to FCW.

Eh, I really doubt that. He will be in FCW for at least a little while. It seems like the only guys who ever skip developmental are either tenured TNA guys [Monty Brown, Chris Harris] or guys who have worked WWE before like R. Truth or Christian.

[Azrael from Outerspace]

Oct 25, 2009 17:40:41 GMT -5 Bubble Lead said:

Oct 25, 2009 17:33:20 GMT -5 Spudz said:

People forget that Danielson spent a good year in Memphis in 2000-01 for WWE . The "WWE Style" hasn't change that much... Danielson isn't going to spend much time in Florida if any.

He'll probably just show up on whatever brand within the next few months and the internet will explode with shock that he didn't even go to FCW.

Eh, I really doubt that. He will be in FCW for at least a little while. It seems like the only guys who ever skip developmental are either tenured TNA guys [Monty Brown, Chris Harris] or guys who have worked WWE before like R. Truth or Christian.

Techincally he has worked WWE before and has had TV matches. He can get in and go and not have to change that much. I see MAYBE a month in FCW but nothing on tv just getting acclomated.

[Dr. T is an alien]

Chris Harris did developmental, and there he developed a negative reaction to the WWE way of doing things.