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Post by King Fox -1017 Bricksquad on Jan 5, 2010 0:23:37 GMT -5
TNA
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 5, 2010 0:24:02 GMT -5
To the poster above me, that's the point of TNA's storyline. All the old guys coming in clinging to glory while the next generation should be the focus. I think they're doing the storyline very well. The problem with that, it's been done before - again, about ten years ago. I like Nash, Hall and Bisch, but seeing the Millionaire's Club vs. the New Blood second time around doesn't appeal to me any more than the first, especially now some of the old guard would have trouble working a two minute squash. Not that I'm saying Raw's much better. I stopped watching Raw as a whole middle of last year because it was serving up the same old crud, only tuning in for Miz, The Body's GM appearance, Sheamus and Kofi. I'll watch Bret's appearances now too, but that's about it.
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Post by mikey_editor on Jan 5, 2010 0:25:31 GMT -5
At the same Hogan was arguing an old feud with non-wrestling stiffs Kevin Nash, a puffy Scott Hall and a distinterested other guy, the legend was accepting his first ovation on Raw. WWE has-beens vs. a real legend. Not close.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 5, 2010 0:26:39 GMT -5
I flicked between both, but I most certainly saw more of Impact.
Neither really impressed me all that much (outside of the AJ/Angle match); Raw seemed to just be...well, Raw, though I did enjoy them making clear that Bret and Shawn are now copacetic, and Impact was going too chaotically for me.
I realize most of the cameos in TNA were just that, cameos, but I felt like I was getting sensory overload too often, and this is coming from somebody who does like TNA.
I'll give Impact the edge, largely thanks to the main event (and Hogan using nWo music), but tonight was an indication why I've never been a big fan of the "War" format between two companies; I'm simply not that interested in watching companies trying to one-up each other, I just want good, solid wrestling shows.
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Post by Error on Jan 5, 2010 0:32:12 GMT -5
Please keep the IMPACT spoilers to this thread and only this one in the WWE board.
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Post by diegorivera on Jan 5, 2010 0:33:23 GMT -5
Had just enough of the Monday Night Wars feeling for me to really enjoy both shows. Aside from Hart Raw was rather unspectacular, but at the same time, at least I can't complain that anyone was trying to steal Bret's thunder. It was certainly the best Raw in a long time. Nothing was bad, but, again, aside from Bret, nothing else stood out. In their defense, the WWE did say they had no intention of doing anything different to counter TNA, although Bret being there was obviously a counter. Aside from that though, it was an typical Raw, but one much improved from most of 09's offerings.
TNA had a lot of shock moments and the return of a seemingly endless number of familiar faces. On the other hand, aside from the big "jump" to the company, "the Man" appearing, of course, Hogan, it was a bit of a mess. A fun, surprising mess, but still a mess. No way TNA needs to keep everyone who showed up tonight. Alot of the other guys who showed up on Impact add nothing and will just take away from the established, mostly young and unique roster TNA has finally built. I just don't feel that TNA really gave me much of a show. A lot of random people show up, three are actually worth keeping around, a handful of solid matches and a title change happen and I feel like I just watched the child of a halfway decent Attitude Era Raw and mediocre Nitro. A cute kid, but I liked his parents better.
Nothing really reeled me in and I don't think that TNA showed it was ready for Monday Night just yet. It has all the right tools now, but no real knowledge of how to make it work consistently. You can't drag out a bunch of WWE and WCW midcarders every week and hope that it will keep the fans interest.
With Raw, I felt like I watched something special, unique. Some of the stuff around it wasn't as good as it should have been, but overall 2010 is starting much better than 2009 ended. The WWE seems to have a better idea of what to do with Hart than TNA does with Hogan. I just hope they can be consistent this time around. Use this Raw to build the rest of the year. If you're going to keep the guest host idea alive, less bad comedy and more solid matches and good build to the stories is the way to go. MVP and Miz is good. Borne challenging Shamus is good. Possibly a seed for DX's break-up being plated is good. Just build on ideas and concepts like that.
Both companies did a lot of good this evening. You couldn't go wrong really with either show and flipping back between both was the best option. Here's to improved Raws and TNA becoming a competitor on Monday nights sooner rather than later. Everybody wins in that situation.
{Edited to remove any Impact spoilers.}
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Post by Kris on Jan 5, 2010 0:35:49 GMT -5
All I saw of Impact was the first hour, and it was atrocious. Raw all the way, the end segment alone was better than anything TNA could produce.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Jan 5, 2010 0:37:10 GMT -5
Raw.
Too many debuts on one show for TNA, they could've spread all that out over a few months and had great TV, they blew there load in 1 night.
also, how are Orlando Jordan, Val Venis and The Nasty Boys really going to help things, they aren't over in 2010 and if there past work tells me anything, they bring nothing exciting to the table. Other than Venis, I can't reacall any of them ever having good matches.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 5, 2010 0:38:04 GMT -5
I enjoyed the crap out of the feeling I got tonight from the head-to-head broadcasts. I giggled, I actually giggled with delight a couple of times. Not ruining either show, I officially MARKED hard--REALLY hard--for parts of each show tonight.
I'm not sure what I'm allowed to post as far as head-to-head comparisons after that.
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Post by sonicreducer on Jan 5, 2010 0:39:44 GMT -5
Impact was a million times better than most of us were expecting.
Hart's segments on RAW were the most engaging in the past ten years.
I give it to Impact; using all the older stars in segments instead of action was clearly the right decision and hopefully they stick with that plan. Hall in particular I wouldn't mind at all being around for a while as his trainwreck segments will always captivate me; just hope he never wrestles again with that gut.
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Post by calibancalhoun on Jan 5, 2010 0:42:02 GMT -5
I also only saw the first hour of impact, I thought it was absolute crap and had no problem switching to RAW which I thoroughly enjoyed. However the overwhelming support for TNA is making me curious, I'll check out the rest of that show later. For now though I gave TNA an hour to get me hooked and it couldn't so I voted for RAW since it hooked me five minutes in.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 5, 2010 0:46:26 GMT -5
TNA by far. Give me clusterf*** over paint by the numbers RAW anyday.
Knockouts made the Divas look like fools, AJ/Kurt was amazing, The Pope was showcased...among lots of other pluses.
Sure, it had bad stuff, but only like 15 minutes worth out of a 3 hour show.
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Post by Error on Jan 5, 2010 0:46:31 GMT -5
I enjoyed TNA more. RAW wasn't bad but, blew it's biggest selling point in the first segment with Shawn and Bret. After that there was nothing left, IMO.
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Post by woowoowoo87 on Jan 5, 2010 0:47:53 GMT -5
Impact gets my vote.
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Post by Display Name on Jan 5, 2010 0:52:25 GMT -5
Raw wasn't great,but TNA was a clusterf***!Impact had a crapload of returns/debuts,but not from ONE person I care about seeing on my television anymore.Raw had Bret friggin' Hart,who I cared very much about seeing..so Raw wins for me.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Jan 5, 2010 0:55:37 GMT -5
I just watched the Bret Hart segments on YouTube. The ending of Raw seemed to have the same flaw as the shows back in the 90's did... a promoter (now over 60 years old) building heat for himself that should have went to a wrestler who can actually work a match. Vince should have had one of the heels (Sheamus, Orton, Miz, or anyone) do the cheap shot attack on Bret for him.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 5, 2010 0:59:15 GMT -5
I'll call it even. The suprises and the Angle/Styles match were great but the Shawn/Bret segment blew everything else on both shows out of the water.
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Post by rrm15 on Jan 5, 2010 0:59:38 GMT -5
I was looking forward to Bret being there and he was pretty much all I was interested in seeing. TNA I was just gonna check on now and then, and historically I don't like TNA AT ALL and am very critical of them.
Impact! won tonight, no questions asked. Brets return was great and really compelling TV...but that was all RAW had. The tag title match was a good match, but nothing spectacular. All the other matches and segments were ok, but again, nothing great. It was a slightly above average RAW, but the thing of it all was that it was so....same ol', same ol'.
TNA on the other hand was exciting. What was keeping me hooked was that I honestly did NOT know what was going to happen next, and they had surprises non-stop. Who was on who's side, who else would show up, etc.
NOW, heres the issue with TNA: where do they go from here? One of my biggest problems with TNA is that they seem to ALWAYS be doing some kind of power struggle storyline, and it seems to be where they're headed now. As long as its entertaining I'll check it out but its stupid. Another TNA problem is that you can't KEEP doing shows the way they did it tonight. You're gonna run out of surprises eventually and your shows need to have SOME form of normality.
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Post by MGH on Jan 5, 2010 1:01:28 GMT -5
The main event of iMPACT killed everything else tonight on either show, and TNA did leave me wondering where they're going to go with a lot of things. I hate the nWo trying to catch DX for total number of reunion tours, but with everything else going on around them I'll give it a break.
TNA was fun tonight. Raw was fun at the beginning and end. The rest sucked.
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Post by Cyborg Franky on Jan 5, 2010 1:02:10 GMT -5
TNA, I don't even watch it that much. Angle Vs. Styles was really great match and I enjoy it and TNA's return of {Spoiler}Jeff Hardy . The only good part of Raw was Shawn and Bret thing and I was kinda disappointed with the Vince and Bret moment. But I'll probably tune to the next episode of Impact to see where Impact's storylines are going at.
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