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Post by chac on Jan 5, 2010 2:33:19 GMT -5
I give the slight based on the Angle AJ match. Are they planning on firing half of the roster? There is no way TNA can afford all of these guys.
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Post by Krimzon on Jan 5, 2010 2:35:12 GMT -5
I give the slight based on the Angle AJ match. Are they planning on firing half of the roster? There is no way TNA can afford all of these guys. Do not doubt the wallet size of Panda Energy.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 5, 2010 2:38:40 GMT -5
I liked TNA's show. Besides the Bret stuff, it was pretty much the same old stuff they've been doing all of last year.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 5, 2010 2:40:54 GMT -5
Raw was alot better, I struggled to get through Impact. Impact reminded me of a sub-par episode of Nitro and I always hated WCW.
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Post by picklerabbi on Jan 5, 2010 2:41:06 GMT -5
Are they planning on firing half of the roster? There is no way TNA can afford all of these guys. It seems to me that TNA is trying to hard to be what its not and I'm sure most of these guys won't show up next week. I think a few of them would be alright with a fair shake given to those already on the roster. When Hogan praised AJ and Angle I wasn't sure if they were happy or wanted to run; AJ looked kinda pained. I hope the show finds a good balance in the weeks ahead. If they do they might be contenders.
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Post by steamboat1 on Jan 5, 2010 2:42:45 GMT -5
Watched TNA on tape delay and Raw live. Raw got an A+ in the segment promo department and a B in terms of in ring entertainment. TNA gets an A+ in ring(reminded me just how good Angle is when he wants to be) and a B in terms of segment promo.
I guess it depends on what you look for in a show. The first hour of TNA was a giant cluster-eff of awful. Why would you trot Lashley out and say that wrestling is nothing but a hick sport when you are trying to attract new viewers. If anything, that tunes out the demo you are trying to bring in. But, they made up for it with the actual matches later in the show...minus the squash of Raven and Stevie(seriously WTF was that). Styles and Angle are exactly what Hogan said, 2 of the best in the world(Jericho and Christian are my other 2). That match is the free tv match of the year hands down.
WWE counters with Bret and Shawn opening the show in the craziest moment I have ever seen in wrestling...on par with Hogan turning heel in 96. In ring the tag team match was excellent with several great false finishes and a blowoff to a 2 month feud. Orton-Kofi was good as well, as was the 4-way dance. Top it off with Bret and Vince and the Vince sucker kick is a great builder to next weeks show.
So, in all honesty, I can't answer which is the better show, and that is what the industry needs right now. We need a good balance of in-ring product and segment promo quality and tonight delivered on both shows.
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Post by slaughterama on Jan 5, 2010 2:52:12 GMT -5
Watched TNA on tape delay and Raw live. Raw got an A+ in the segment promo department and a B in terms of in ring entertainment. TNA gets an A+ in ring(reminded me just how good Angle is when he wants to be) and a B in terms of segment promo. I guess it depends on what you look for in a show. The first hour of TNA was a giant cluster-eff of awful. Why would you trot Lashley out and say that wrestling is nothing but a hick sport when you are trying to attract new viewers. If anything, that tunes out the demo you are trying to bring in. But, they made up for it with the actual matches later in the show...minus the squash of Raven and Stevie(seriously WTF was that). Styles and Angle are exactly what Hogan said, 2 of the best in the world(Jericho and Christian are my other 2). That match is the free tv match of the year hands down. WWE counters with Bret and Shawn opening the show in the craziest moment I have ever seen in wrestling...on par with Hogan turning heel in 96. In ring the tag team match was excellent with several great false finishes and a blowoff to a 2 month feud. Orton-Kofi was good as well, as was the 4-way dance. Top it off with Bret and Vince and the Vince sucker kick is a great builder to next weeks show. So, in all honesty, I can't answer which is the better show, and that is what the industry needs right now. We need a good balance of in-ring product and segment promo quality and tonight delivered on both shows. I think you nailed it with the thoughts on the first hour. If it weren't for Jeff Hardy showing up, I think the first-time Impact viewer would have been hugely unimpressed. From the production, to the booking of the cage match, to the cage match being tough to even see, to the Lashley stuff, to the fan interviews... that was a very awful effort in trying to keep people from not going to Raw and seeing Bret Hart at 9:00. If the rating comes out and it shows people just continually tuning out during that first hour, they'll have noone to blame but themselves.
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Jan 5, 2010 2:56:14 GMT -5
I didn't see much of Impact since I watched Raw tonight. However, based on what I did see and the reviews I've been reading, I gotta vote for Raw. Impact sounded like a completely nonsensical clusterf*** from beginning to end with too much talking, lots of promos getting interrupted, too little wrestling, and exactly ONE good match. In other words, it was Nitro!
If this is the show that's supposed to save TNA, they're doomed.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Jan 5, 2010 3:00:29 GMT -5
I can't honestly say I didn't like 1 thing about TNA.
I thought the debuts were weak, I mean Jeff Hardy, a MAIN EVENT WRESTLER! Is now feuding or at least starting his re TNA career with a 2nd in charge X-Division guy? REALLY?
I thought someone the guys they brought in were just BLAH!
Scott Hall- Can he even work a match? Ric Flair - Will ruining the greatest sendoff ever because he can't just date lol Val Venis - Why? Orlando Jordan- Why? At least he's fairly young I guess. The Nasty Boys - Again why? A feud with Team 3D. YAY! Plunder matches were Bubba & Knobbs will probably died of heart attacks during said match.
As for matches I didn't care. Cage match was awful just like most random gimmick matches on IMPACT! Now Russo is ruining the Steel Asylum like he ruined the ladder match and cage match in TNA. I don't care about women’s wrestling; at least WWE has some lookers.
Now I did watch AJ/Angle and WAY too many kickouts. I can deal with a couple but after awhile it gets annoying and makes the person look weak in the next match when 1 or 2 finishers takes them out.
As for RAW I thought DX/JeriShow was good, but since I didn’t care about 1 thing in TNA, Bret Hart made it real easy for me to pick RAW.
Seeing Hart & Michaels, Hart & Vince>Hogan, Bischoff & the nWo, which I believe I can call the SAME OLD SHIT even though it's been years since we've see it lol
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Post by Fade on Jan 5, 2010 3:05:29 GMT -5
I thought the debuts were weak, I mean Jeff Hardy, a MAIN EVENT WRESTLER! Is now feuding or at least starting his re TNA career with a 2nd in charge X-Division guy? REALLY? But. One of the main arguments against TNA, even tonight, is that they don't focus on the younger guys, or that there's too much focus on the older vets. They got Jeff, one of the biggest acquisition in years (Anywhere) and put him with one very talented younger Wrestler who's not always in the spotlight. This is a bad thing? Unfamiliar people to TNA will hear Jeff Hardy joined, look it up online, and instantly be introduced to Homicide as opposed to someone like Kurt Angle, or Scott Steiner who they'd already know.
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Post by Ratings on Jan 5, 2010 3:08:42 GMT -5
I thought Raw was better. Way better.
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Jan 5, 2010 3:09:06 GMT -5
There were really only two positives to tonight's Impact IMO:
1. The main event.
2. No leprechauns.
Sadly, those two things just aren't enough to make Impact the better show this week.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Jan 5, 2010 3:19:24 GMT -5
I thought the debuts were weak, I mean Jeff Hardy, a MAIN EVENT WRESTLER! Is now feuding or at least starting his re TNA career with a 2nd in charge X-Division guy? REALLY? But. One of the main arguments against TNA, even tonight, is that they don't focus on the younger guys, or that there's too much focus on the older vets. They got Jeff, one of the biggest acquisition in years (Anywhere) and put him with one very talented younger Wrestler who's not always in the spotlight. This is a bad thing? Unfamiliar people to TNA will hear Jeff Hardy joined, look it up online, and instantly be introduced to Homicide as opposed to someone like Kurt Angle, or Scott Steiner who they'd already know. Well that is true, I still think Hardy should be put with someone that could be the future of TNA and I'm sorry, but if Homicide is the future of TNA, they're in deep shit. I mean imagine Hardy coming out after a Wolfe win, THAT would be a feud I'd want to see.
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Post by manstis1804 on Jan 5, 2010 3:19:34 GMT -5
Impact tried too hard and WWE didn't try hard enough. Dude summed it up perfectly. Impact was just way too much "holy S look what's happening now!!!" It was cool and fun, but at the same time it was annoying. And Raw was it's usual bland self with the exception of Bret's two segments. At least Bret is going to be on the show every week, I think this storyline with Vince/Bret/HBK could be really great.
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Post by Fade on Jan 5, 2010 3:25:05 GMT -5
But. One of the main arguments against TNA, even tonight, is that they don't focus on the younger guys, or that there's too much focus on the older vets. They got Jeff, one of the biggest acquisition in years (Anywhere) and put him with one very talented younger Wrestler who's not always in the spotlight. This is a bad thing? Unfamiliar people to TNA will hear Jeff Hardy joined, look it up online, and instantly be introduced to Homicide as opposed to someone like Kurt Angle, or Scott Steiner who they'd already know. Well that is true, I still think Hardy should be put with someone that could be the future of TNA and I'm sorry, but if Homicide is the future of TNA, they're in deep s***. I mean imagine Hardy coming out after a Wolfe win, THAT would be a feud I'd want to see. You would of told me a few months ago Sheamus was the future of the WWE and would be made Champ, I would of said the same thing. They did it. They're having to live with it. And whether you're a fan or not of that decision (I'm really not), at least it's a new face. And on the same page I'm not a big fan of Homicide, but he's a worker, with a personality and he's someone new. I don't see how him being the future of TNA means they're in "deep s***". Wolfe, who's managed to build up a rep already in the way TNA has developed him, played his part in allowing Pope, ANOTHER bright young charasmatic prospect (One of the many I might add that the WWE has let go in the last decade..) shine on live tv.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 5, 2010 3:34:32 GMT -5
I'm in the pro-Raw camp, here.
Impact was like a bunch of pay-offs with no build-ups. Every other minute, there was something happening, and it was all supposed to matter, but then they moved on to something else without following up. And even though all of these things were supposed to matter, it felt (to me, at least) like none of them mattered.
The main event was good, but it was built as this "how many finishers can each guy take before the match ultimately finishes" kind of thing, which I didn't like. The knockouts had the best segments, though the singles title match was short (but I did enjoy Tara's ass-cleavage), and Val Venis ruined a segment that was supposed to be about looking at juggs.
Raw, on the other hand, maybe it wasn't as IN YOUR FACE about itself, but there were some good matches: I liked the tag title match (and marked out when Jericho kicked Hornswaggle in the head). Kofi/Orton was pretty damn good (and I liked the tease of Legacy beating up Orton...but its too soon for that to happen just yet), the four-way for the US title contendership was fun (as were Miz's comments before it). The Bret/Shawn moment to start off was fantastic! The Bret/Vince moment at the end was much less so, but I'd like to see where they go with it from there.
As opposed to the last shot of Impact, which was Hogan's face taking up the entire screen. No thank you, TNA.
EDIT: I'm working on changing my sig.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 5, 2010 3:38:38 GMT -5
I was at Impact tonight.
RAW was better.
I've already spoken my piece on the Was TNA Successful thread in the TNA section.
I can't talk about it anymore right now.
It makes me too sad.
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Post by snugglecakes on Jan 5, 2010 3:57:50 GMT -5
Unless he's signed a short term deal, Jeff Hardy is a complete fool to sign with TNA.
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Post by Clarence "Showstealer" Mason on Jan 5, 2010 4:00:10 GMT -5
In my opinion Raw wins the night.
Don't get me wrong, a LOT of things on Raw were terrible, the Divas match, the four way, Kofi-Orton bored the living shit out of me.
But I liked a lot of things too, The Bret Bookends, the fact that for at least one week they're trying to give Evan Bourne a character, the DX-Jerishow match.
Impact on the other hand just seemed to me liked a Russo booked episode of Nitro, short tv matches, pointless backstage segments, non-sensical finishes, shocking swerves, debuts a go-go and most of it terrible
I liked ONE thing on Impact and one only, the main event.
Hence I have to go with the more enjoyable show, and that to me was Raw
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Post by KingPopper on Jan 5, 2010 4:33:40 GMT -5
Maryse vs. Bella > Knockout Tag Match US title #1 Contenders Match > Pope vs. Wolfe Seriously bro? ok I'll explain. This is what I picked to watch when both choices were infront of me, not by over all match workrate. I hate womens wrestling. Though I mark for Maryse, unlike most other Wwe divas she has charater. So I would rather watch a short maryse match which had a decent finish, then a woman tagteam match with 3 girls I couldn't give a damn about. I don't care how good a match is, if I'm not interested in the wresters, what's the point? Which is why I watched the fatal fourway. I mark for MVP, swagger, and carlito. Henry did play a fun role in the match, and the match itself was a lot of fun. While I do mark for Wolfe, I don't care for Pope, never have. It also seemed to be booked in Pope's favor. Why watch Wolfe lose when I can see a match with three guys I like knowing that MVP had the best chance of winning. I know it's a marks stand point, so take away my IWC card.
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