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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 5, 2010 10:06:30 GMT -5
Was I shocked to see Ric Flair? No. The man will go into a gay bar with a sign on his chest that says "push in your stool?" if the check doesn't bounce. I wish I could express in words how hard I'm laughing at this. ;D
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jan 5, 2010 10:28:17 GMT -5
To be honest I watched Impact until Ric Flair showed up and went to play video games until RAW came on. The first half-hour of Impact was horrible, and not just because of the Red Elimination Chamber match. But seriously, why would your first match of the show be that awkward thing, and then have it end in a NO CONTEST that pisses off the crowd mightily?
People are saying it picked up after that first hour but that's not really good enough when you're supposed to be "firing the first shot" at WWE.
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Post by domrep on Jan 5, 2010 10:32:21 GMT -5
The first hour they went unopposed, so you wanted them to blow their wad in the first hour?
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jan 5, 2010 10:43:23 GMT -5
Kong/Hamada vs Sarita/Wilde > Everything else on iMPACT and everything on RAW.
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Post by biff on Jan 5, 2010 10:44:49 GMT -5
The only time I changed the channel was after Impact ended.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jan 5, 2010 10:47:36 GMT -5
The first hour they went unopposed, so you wanted them to blow their wad in the first hour? No, we wanted them to give us a reason to watch the second and third hours. They gave us a reason to change the channel. If you're going to "fire the first shot", make sure you weren't aiming at your foot.
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Post by domrep on Jan 5, 2010 10:54:36 GMT -5
First hour was all about building up to Hogan's speech at the top of the second hour. That's a classic strategy that was used by Bischoff in the old Monday Night Wars.
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Post by moonlight on Jan 5, 2010 11:03:00 GMT -5
When was the last time a crowd chanted WWE, WWE, WWE? I don't ever remember hearing that. I think both shows were kind of lackluster, and didn't match the buildups they got. Hogan came over as too authoritarian when he went after Jarrett. Jeff Hardy is pathetic.
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Post by thedavefather on Jan 5, 2010 11:04:31 GMT -5
Impact was flatout awful. Hey instead of bringing back washed up old guys how about building some new stars
- Hogan said I have been sitting with all the guys in the locker room all day...ok what was the point of you coming in with the limo then?
- They said they are going to build the younger guys and then right away they cut off Daniels for what....MICK FOLEY a washed up vet
- Jeff Hardy's return was seriously under whelming and handled AWFULLY by the annocers
- THe Angle vs AJ match was good but not as great as some are making it to be
Awful Show
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 5, 2010 11:04:38 GMT -5
The first hour they went unopposed, so you wanted them to blow their wad in the first hour? No, we wanted them to give us a reason to watch the second and third hours. They gave us a reason to change the channel. If you're going to "fire the first shot", make sure you weren't aiming at your foot. Agreed.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jan 5, 2010 11:06:56 GMT -5
The arrival of the "stars" left a sour taste in my mouth, along with the opening video.
"Who thought anyone would ever care?" "Who ever thought the great ones would come?"
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Post by nonrev on Jan 5, 2010 11:17:06 GMT -5
I was bored by Raw.
I was infuriated with Impact. (more details see sigline)
Is it better to experience a negative emotion rather than no emotion at all?
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Post by Boomaga on Jan 5, 2010 12:48:42 GMT -5
I don't post here much, but here's what I thought, I mostly watched Raw but switched to TNA to see what was going on.
Concerning Styles and Angle, 18 finishers in a match doesn't make it exciting, but countering or dodging 18 finishers can be. It's called a finisher because it's supposed to finish a match, it's supposed to be the climax, but if you do it 5 times in a match, it becomes more boring than a common DDT or clothesline. AJ and Angle had a solid match but it didn't have any emotion or storytelling, it was like they were just going through the motions and weren't building to anything, even if they did it proficiently.
WWE took new twists with a story that started 12 years ago we never thought we would see continue. TNA wheeled out a bunch of names that this business was tired of 10 years ago, trying to pretend they were as relevant as they were 14 years ago, and they're not. Instead you have Bobby Lashley saying he's too good for TNA, Hogan, Bischoff and Nash dancing around like they're as cool and relevant as they were back before they dismantled WCW themselves, and they're not. Bret Hart is someone that hasn't been seen in a wrestling ring in 10 years, the old TNA fogies have been seen in rings more times than they should have in that same time.
As far as the wrestling, there was a decent main event after a night of 5 minute terrible matches and even worse longer than 5 minute women's matches. If DX vs. Jerishow for the 27th time is more interesting and entertaining than everything on your card, you're doing something wrong.
Any "new" wrestling fan would find TNA stale and lame and any real fan should be able to see through their bullshit and tell that it's stale and lame.
The only surprise that TNA pulled out tonight was Jeff Hardy and they did practically nothing with him, and I imagine he will soon become an irrelevant relic in the wrestling world like Ric Flair has done to himself ever since Wrestlemania 24, Hogan has done to himself since 2003 and Scott Hall has been succeeding at since roughly 1998.
WWE takes someone who hasn't been in a WWE ring since 1997 and makes some of the most compelling television they've had in years with his in-ring segment with Shawn Michaels. TNA takes handfuls of wrestling "legends" and can't make a single one of them as exciting Evan Bourne, who by all rights is a curtain jerker.
If this is the best TNA has to offer, they should save their money for better production values and story writers, because spending it on 20 wrestlers who were cool before 1996 isn't going to do it.
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Post by Hakumental on Jan 5, 2010 12:53:42 GMT -5
As has been said elsewhere:
A rose by any other name is still a rose, and WCW Nitro by any other name is still WCW Nitro.
I vote RAW.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Jan 5, 2010 13:00:47 GMT -5
I'll have to admit, Impact was pretty good. Though for most of the show I had this thought: Wouldn't it be funny if most of these guys just signed a one night contract?
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Post by paragon on Jan 5, 2010 13:07:40 GMT -5
When was the last time a crowd chanted WWE, WWE, WWE? I don't ever remember hearing that. It's kind of unwieldy to chant. "Dou-ble-you-Dou-ble-you-Ee" does not flow as well as "Tee-En-Ay."
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jan 5, 2010 13:16:12 GMT -5
Also, I don't like chanting for a promotion. It's about the wrestlers. The promotion didn't just flip into the crowd onto his opponent, the Wrestler did. Give him some props.
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Post by jdsnelson on Jan 5, 2010 14:35:47 GMT -5
The arrival of the "stars" left a sour taste in my mouth, along with the opening video. "Who thought anyone would ever care?" "Who ever thought the great ones would come?" I know, right? That had me laughing because it was so condescending. "YOU WILL CARE"
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Post by fg76 on Jan 5, 2010 15:06:33 GMT -5
Um . . .
I've read some of the comments, and sorry guys I liked some of what TNA had to offer. It was mostly promos, but it felt like the real WCW. It didn't feel like the TNA I remember watching, or the s*** the WWE is putting out today.
The Good:
-The whole Hogan storyling. Sure only a few smarks from the WCW era would get most of the s*** going on, but I'm hoping the storyline is Hogan is currently a good guy, but all his bad guy buddies are hoping they'll get their jobs, money, and paychecks. Former TNA/WWE hopefuls like Foley hate the fact "Cancer Hogan" is back, although Hogan "supposedly" is there for the "guys" this time, and not just to collect money. He's there to push NEW TALENT, but then his old buddies - along with Bischoff - who is like Hogan's Lt. is trying to get backdoor entry. In the end, Hogan will just turn heel and it will be nWo/WCW 1998 all over again - but right now - you're still guessing where Hogan really is at. If Bischoff is Hogan's Lt, or if Bischoff is using Hogan to obtain ownership of TNA. You got the old nWo posse' beating up the younger talent, to show that in "real life" they would street fight these talentless punks and therefore they should be pushed because they're legit tough guys.
You also got the Main Event talented guys like Angle and AJ, that Hogan might be endorsing - but its hard to tell. You might have Flair coming back as a mentor to AJ again. Plus you had "Val Venis" showing up because I guess being a WWF attitude midcarder makes you something special.
If Russo is still booking with Bischoff, it was actually an enjoyable show. But you'd have to be a smark from the 1990's to really, really, really want to try to understand it. I did "understand" it, so I was able to enjoy it.
Although I'm sure . . . really sure . . . I'm the only one that enjoyed the nWo "turfing" Foley out of TNA. I'm the only one that enjoyed the prospect of a Dudley (Team 3D) vs. Nasty Boyz hardcore tag match.
I thought the cage match sucked, but the other matches were so-so, and they did pay off with the Main Event. Angle still has it, and it shocked me. First Angle match I've watched since he left the WWE in 2006. He's a lot smaller now though . . . He must of really been on the juice.
WWE Raw: Was more of the same, but enjoyable with two surreal moments. Which included Bret Hart actually doing a storyline that he swore in 2005 - he'd never do. And yeah the "hug" was forced, but Bret still is hard-edged about what happened with Shawn. Shawn seemed sincere, but you know how its like two guys with heat or a man and his ex-girlfriend run into each other - they're not upset, or mad - but once they say what they want to say - they want to get the hell out of dodge.
I wish they could have just done Bret as a one-and-done deal, and instead they ended it with Vince kicking him in the nuts and Bret doesn't even look mad at the end - just disapointed. Which is kind of wierd, with all the shoot stuff he said about Vince for years. I met Bret in 2008 at a book signing, and I was in awe what good shape he was still in for a guy who had a stroke. He wasn't too happy with Vince then, but it seems like money talks and bulls*** walks.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 5, 2010 15:19:31 GMT -5
Preferred Raw, but Impact was interesting.
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