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Post by moonlight on Mar 29, 2010 10:46:27 GMT -5
C'mon guys, it's fake. It was all done so we could see Vince punished, it was all about Vince like it always is. Now he's a Martyr, and that's what Vince wanted, it didn't have a thing to do with the Harts.
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Post by seamonsters on Mar 29, 2010 10:58:06 GMT -5
My opinion is a question. If you are dissapointed...well what did you expect? You have a 65 year-old who didn't wrestle until he was 50 and then only did so sporadically and a 50 year old who had a stroke. The later can't take a bump, or even risk getting hit, or sustaining a whiplash effect. The storyline and past history called for Hart to go over, massively. Vince can truly make great things happen with his psychology. I'll point you to Hogan VS Vince for an example. And if he would have been a wrestler in his youth, we might speak of him as one of the all-time greats. But he's 65. Wrestling a guy that can't get hit. That would be fair critisism if people were complaining about it not being a ***** classic, but people are complaining it was too long. What I feel they should have done, is instead of Vince brining the crowbar from under the ring, he should have brought the chair instead, and just use the chair as a weapon (the first shot with the crowbar looked really uncomfortable, like Bret wasn't sure exactly what to do with it), and not tease the sharpshooter more than once - do the stomp to the gut the first time (as he always did in matches), then use the sharpshooter. It's almost like Vince was sending a message out (either to the wrestlers or those idiots recently chanting "we want blood") that you can have a brutal beatdown in an emotional feud without the use of blood and chairshots to the head.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Mar 29, 2010 11:07:41 GMT -5
I agree with the general criticism that it ran long. Especially considering matches like Punk/Rey and the Tag Title match were pretty short. The time could have been better used elsewhere.
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Post by saneiac on Mar 29, 2010 11:09:17 GMT -5
After all the crowbar and chair shots, the sharpshooter seemed anti-climactic. So basically, I agree with the OP: it went on too long.
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Post by SlimTrip on Mar 29, 2010 11:15:15 GMT -5
Me and my buddies(all of whom are fans) starting looking at anything but the tv towards the end. Why in the hell did this match go for so long when the only offense was rights, lefts, a crowbar, and a sharpshooter?
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Mar 29, 2010 11:16:06 GMT -5
My opinion is a question. If you are dissapointed...well what did you expect? You have a 65 year-old who didn't wrestle until he was 50 and then only did so sporadically and a 50 year old who had a stroke. The later can't take a bump, or even risk getting hit, or sustaining a whiplash effect. The storyline and past history called for Hart to go over, massively. Vince can truly make great things happen with his psychology. I'll point you to Hogan VS Vince for an example. And if he would have been a wrestler in his youth, we might speak of him as one of the all-time greats. But he's 65. Wrestling a guy that can't get hit. What did I expect? The same match we got but 5 minutes shorter. This isn't about wanting a great match or a spotfest. People here would have been delighted with what we got if 1) the Sharpshooter teases didn't come so often as to kill the crowd because they gave up hoping for it and 2) too, too many boring repetitive chairshots. No-ones saying hey, this match sucked because Bret didn't dive off a ladder onto a blood soaked Vince. It sucked because they dragged out a 5 minute beatdown, which everyone would have been fine with, to 10 minutes with repetitive kicks to the midsection and chairshots.
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Post by Spaceboy on Mar 29, 2010 11:24:23 GMT -5
It had a top notch Ref!
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 29, 2010 11:25:01 GMT -5
The match was far below my expectations, which weren't very high to begin with. Every time I tried to think about how the match would go, I always pictured Bret beating on Vince with trashcans, cookie sheets, crutches, and other weak hardcore weapons until slapping on the sharpshooter and getting the win. I also kinda thought he might take at least a punch or something.
Instead the whole thing was booked like it was the only thing on the show written by a guy who's never watched wrestling in his life. They started with the big swerve about the Hart family which everybody knew was only going to lead to a bigger swerve...which they gave us before the match even started. The lumberjacks beat up Vince, Bret spends 5 minutes beating him up with a crowbar (worst weapon in wrestling btw) a chair and finally a sharpshooter.
The worst part is that the crowd didn't seem to care. I just don't understand how they managed to make Bret vs. Vince the most boring thing on the show, and that's including the awful divas match where half the girls couldn't even perform their finishers correctly.
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Post by notonyourradar on Mar 29, 2010 11:31:05 GMT -5
I think we're all agreed it was too long, I'm surprised someone so good at in-ring story telling was so bad (the sharpshooter teases... wtf)
I was however surprised how much better looking his attacks had got from the first WWE reappearance.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Mar 29, 2010 11:51:14 GMT -5
Also, I'm pretty sure Bruce Hart seemed to think he was the star. At least one poster will agree with him, I guess.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Mar 29, 2010 11:54:06 GMT -5
All the time Bret spent pointlessly beating Vince down for far too long could have been given to CM Punk and Rey Mysterio to have a great match.
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Post by 4real on Mar 29, 2010 11:57:56 GMT -5
It was awful and sad to see Bret in such a dull match as this. All I could think back to was how Bret used to be during this match. At least the Divas match had loads of finishers in it.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Mar 29, 2010 12:06:06 GMT -5
What can you really say? It was booked horribly...the swerve was pretty unnecessary in my book and just an excuse for not getting the Hart foundation involved in any way earlier. Obv the time problem has been pointed out. Look, Bret hasn't gotten the reactions they expected this entire feud. Nothing you can really do, it's been OVER A DECADE. It was booked in a way that killed the crowd further than it had to though.
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Post by Lardlad on Mar 29, 2010 12:13:01 GMT -5
I liked the match but agree with most that it should have been about 5 mins shorter ... my first thought while watching it was, "put on the damn Sharpshooter now!! They're begging for it, you're going to lose them!!"
I was actually waiting for Bruce to turn on Bret. I thought Bruce was going to turn heel ref on Bret, and then Jim 'The Anvil' Neidhart could have come out, taken Bruce out, and then counted the 1...2...3... for Bret.
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Post by superkickkid on Mar 29, 2010 12:13:46 GMT -5
Match was terribly booked.
Even with two men so incredibly limited, it could have been booked significantly better. Hell, I bet any person on this message board could have booked a better match.
Even people with extreme limitations like Bret and Vince could have an entertaining match.
Seriously, the best idea they could come up with was a 13 babyface on 1 heel beatdown?
SERIOUSLY??!?!?
This match will go down in history right next to the Invasion angle.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 29, 2010 12:19:30 GMT -5
I expected exactly what happened. When they insist on putting a guy whoiterally can't be hit into a match, you know it's going to be a one-sided beating of epic proportions. I was quite satisfied with Bret wearing Vince out the way he did, it made perfect sense, and I'm not going to complain about it - though I understand why people would.
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Post by repomark on Mar 29, 2010 12:25:37 GMT -5
I thought it went on for too long and I felt Vince should have bled. I am not a huge fan of bleeding for effect and think it should be done sparingly - but there is never going to be a more appropriate time than at the culmination of a 13 year feud to bleed now is there?! They should have made an exception for their PG attitude in this match. Also felt involving the Hart family over booked it a little.
Was let down a bit - but still Vince tapping to the Sharpshooter was a nice moment.
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Post by Young Game on Mar 29, 2010 12:29:39 GMT -5
Now the real crime of this was where was the anvil?! Do we know if he ever found his way out of the Impact Zone? Here's my question for the board, as gratuitous as those chair shots were...and as drawn out as that whole spot was, was anyone else thinking/maybe even hoping for a quick Shane run-in?
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Post by angryauthor on Mar 29, 2010 12:32:23 GMT -5
It went on too damn long. I loved the punches that just downed him. I loved the top rope Hart Attack. But Vince looked like a colossal retard for bringing the Hart family to ringside: what did he think would happen? Bret should have punched him a bit, rolled him outside, let the Hart Foundation hit some nifty double team moves, who then roll him in for the Sharpshooter. The first tease of it worked. After that one, it was just dull.
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Post by Greer on Mar 29, 2010 12:39:02 GMT -5
Copy...paste
Well I gotta say. Not very good.
Maybe we were just expecting too much, but seriously I was hoping for something better.
The return was just too late
The fans barely knew him or cared
The Promos were sloppy
The in-ring interaction (punches, security, destruction of the set, Vince's shoe coming off) was also sloppy
Bret gave too little, while Vince had to over play it to make up for Bret, looking like a cartoon villian in the process
Overblown explanations to Bret's car accident, and Hart family being bought off
And now watching the Wrestlemania match...overbooked
Overall this angle did not turn out the way I expected or hoped. It was just there. It lacked any of the real drama or intensity these two really had. I know it was just to "get Vince in the Sharpshooter at WM", but even that was too drawn out.
It would have been so easy for Vince to beat down Bret a little, get a chair and just as he lifts it above Bret to nail him...
Same scenario but maybe this music hits...
OR
I just think the angle as a whole lacked a spark. It was so by the book, but at the same time, not. Not sure that makes sense. Glad to see Bret get the revenge etc. but the angle just could have been booked better overall. Kinda dissapointed
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