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Post by Above Average on Mar 29, 2010 7:27:16 GMT -5
I thought the final moment of the match was great. Vince tapping out to the sharpshooter in the middle of the ring at the biggest stage of them all, giving Bret his revenge. The lumberjacks did well, and it was nice to see the Hart Dynasty given a significant share of the spotlight at WrestleMania.
BUT...
The negative far outweigh the positives for me. The match went on for far too long. Bret took no offence (as expected obviously due to his condition), so there was no back and forth, Vince got squashed (not the issue for me, he's not a wrestler). But Bret could have won it far earlier. He teased the sharpshooter, and the crowd went NUTS but instead he decides to give Vince more punishment. Then he goes for it again but stomps Vince in the gut. The crowd again went nuts at first. Third time the crowd didn't even really react. Then he overdid it with the crowbar and the steel chair... It became a painful match to watch.
Overall I seriously think that Survivor Series 97 was a better send off. A far better match from a wrestling standpoint, a far more memorable match and the crowd actually cared. Shoot or work, nobody knows, but the Montreal Screwjob was one of the most famous/infamous ends to a WWE career ever seen.
I didn't think he should have returned to WWE from the start, and I think last night gave my opinion some extra merit.
Anyway, what did everybody else think of the match?
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Post by Wii M Punk on Mar 29, 2010 7:31:12 GMT -5
I thought the final moment of the match was great. Vince tapping out to the sharpshooter in the middle of the ring at the biggest stage of them all, giving Bret his revenge. The lumberjacks did well, and it was nice to see the Hart Dynasty given a significant share of the spotlight at WrestleMania. BUT... The negative far outweigh the positives for me. The match went on for far too long. Bret took no offence (as expected obviously due to his condition), so there was no back and forth, Vince got squashed (not the issue for me, he's not a wrestler). But Bret could have won it far earlier. He teased the sharpshooter, and the crowd went NUTS but instead he decides to give Vince more punishment. Then he goes for it again but stomps Vince in the gut. The crowd again went nuts at first. Third time the crowd didn't even really react. Then he overdid it with the crowbar and the steel chair... It became a painful match to watch. Overall I seriously think that Survivor Series 97 was a better send off. A far better match from a wrestling standpoint, a far more memorable match and the crowd actually cared. Shoot or work, nobody knows, but the Montreal Screwjob was one of the most famous/infamous ends to a WWE career ever seen. I didn't think he should have returned to WWE from the start, and I think last night gave my opinion some extra merit. Anyway, what did everybody else think of the match? Pretty much agree with you buddy. Match dragged on for too long and could have easily been 5 minutes tops and still got the job done. Give the saved time to matches like the Legacy Triple Threat and Tag Title Match which were starved of time. Also the crowd hardly reacted to Bret on the mic pre-match when he pulled the double swerve on Vince and the Hart Family were in on it all along. Vince tried his best to sell out with his facial expressions but the crowd either didn't catch what Bret said as it wasn't delivered too well or (as I suspect) they just didn't care. Sadly I think with majority of the audience being children now. Kids who are far too young and born after Montreal, then I don't think they are too bothered about all this fuss between "2 old men" as they'd see it. Shame really.
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Post by Doley. on Mar 29, 2010 7:33:45 GMT -5
The crowd didnt know what to do at times.
They reacted at the first tease of a sharp shooter, which should have been the sharp shooter. i think even vince must have been getting bored.
oh well(z )
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Post by azz0r on Mar 29, 2010 7:44:27 GMT -5
Anytime I start feeling sad for Vince is a bad time.
It just dragged and almost became heelish.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 29, 2010 7:57:21 GMT -5
The double turn came before the match even began - I'd have preferred to have seen them side with Vince for most of the match, then just as he was about to win, they turned on him. Instead, Bret just beat on him and beat on him and beat on him, and it was slow, plodding and painful. The Divas match was even better than this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 7:59:47 GMT -5
It was a lot like Billy Gunn. It was complete ass, and sucked and blew at the same time.
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Post by perkleton on Mar 29, 2010 8:01:11 GMT -5
im a massive bret mark, so i was really into the match, then even for me i was telling rbet to just ****ing put him in the sharpshooter. stop making the match boring
i think they might have thought the crowd would have been hanging on every single chairshot and move bret did, which might have been the case a couple of years ago but even then. it dragged on for a while. bit disapointing, still really cool for me though
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 29, 2010 8:01:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure if they were trying for this, but I started feeling sorry for Vince when the chair shots kept coming. And you're right, he should have gone for the sharpshooter the first time.
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Post by Grotto on Mar 29, 2010 8:02:15 GMT -5
I agree. It was plodding, and the chair shots were good to start...but he had to have hit him over 20 times with that stupid chair. It's not good when you are made to feel sorry for the defenseless heel. It actually made me wonder if Bret wasn't taking liberties with Vince a little bit.
I think they could have done the match much better than they did.
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Post by Shaq-Fu on Mar 29, 2010 8:31:53 GMT -5
Like other people have said, having the double turn happen right at the beginning was a really bad idea, as it removed what little tension there was left and made everything afterwards else pointless.
Really, the entirety of the match should have been Bret locking in the sharpshooter, and nothing else. (Maybe after a doubleteam move from the Harts, but that's all) I was a huge fan of Bret back in the day and I have immense respect for the man, but the sad truth is that trying to get something resembling a proper wrestling match out of his body nowadays is simply not going to work.
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Post by Free Hat on Mar 29, 2010 8:32:16 GMT -5
I can't believe just how badly booked that was. It might have worked in front of a Canadian crowd, because they would have been thrilled just to see Bret at all. But they should have known from the tepid reactions he'd been getting throughout the buildup that this thing couldn't have realistically held an American crowd's attention for more than a few minutes. Add to that Vince almost looking sympathetic for taking such a savage beating and you have to wonder just what the hell they were thinking.
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Post by Tombi on Mar 29, 2010 8:37:22 GMT -5
Well, as a blow off to all of abuse Bret has suffered over the years; I can't say it didn't make perfect sense. Bret was being slow and calculating to inflict as much damage as possible - and inflict damage he did. Vince got his ass kicked about as decisively as one could ask for.
Just because it made sense didn't mean it was always entertaining to watch, though. Overall I think I liked it more than most, as I understood what they were going for and I liked that it got to uncomfortable levels - because real fights often do. I won't argue that it went too long though, and Bret really dragged out that wrench beating. Seriously, a wrench! It's no wonder the crowd didn't react when so few could actually see the weapon.
I'll agree with perkleton in that they probably expected the crowd to be much hotter when Bret was doing all his teasing and chair swinging, and I think the opening duologue may have ensured people were too busy scratching their head to pay proper attention. The Hart Attack was also sweet. I thought it was a good beatdown, but I wasn't expecting anything else.
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Post by parder on Mar 29, 2010 8:38:25 GMT -5
It has to be the mother of all ironies that in his last match one of the all time greats when it came to ring psychology (and Vince knows a lot about psychology too) has one of the most anti-psychology matches I've seen in a long time.
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Post by The King of Memphis Tennessee on Mar 29, 2010 9:13:05 GMT -5
I created another thread about this, but figured I'd post my thoughts here since this thread came first.
I watched this match with my brothers and we all felt the same way as everyone else, but when my younger brother told me during the match that this was getting stale, I responded that we were getting what we asked for. For years, people have wanted Bret to get Vince in the ring (possibly at a WrestleMania) and just beat the crap out of him for at least a good 10 minutes. Well, WWE gave us just that. Bret got Vince in the ring and just tore into him mercilessly. The fact that the rest of the family got some was an added bonus.
So i'm not going to complain about the match. I asked, I got it, thank you WWE.
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Mar 29, 2010 9:18:31 GMT -5
I understand the criticisms but personally I enjoyed it. They could have shortened it some though by nixing the swerve and have the family come out with Bret from the get go, and Bret locking in the sharp shooter the first time, but I still thought it was a fun and nice moment. I also think this might lead for Bret to spend his last few weeks mentoring the Hart Dynasty to put them over.
Now the real crime of this was where was the anvil?! I think it would of been better if David Hart did a running power slam in tribute to his father, Tyson Kidd does a missile drop kick as tribute to owen, and then the original Hart foundation does a hart attack.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 29, 2010 9:18:58 GMT -5
It's was logical how it happened, but it was so boring to watch.
I didn't want to see bad punches thrown by Bret and 10 minutes of waddling around the ring. I thank God that he's still able to walk after everything he's been through, but that was something I really could have gone without seeing. Everything but the Sharpshooter and the Hart Family was lulz.
I'm just glad its over and we never have to go through anything that bad again.
Oh, and I get Anvil not being there. He was in TNA for a one time appearance in December, so maybe there's some hard feelings about that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 9:19:46 GMT -5
They should have done a match where Bret and Vince were in someones corner with the stipulation that if Bret's guy won he'd get 5 or 10 minutes alone with Vince. Then it would have been interesting as Vince tried to get away at first only to have Stone Cold or someone catch him and throw him back to Bret.
As it was it was just boring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 9:21:36 GMT -5
Honestly, it was five minutes too long and too covered in plot holes to at all have an opinion on. I kinda think Bret would have been better off being remembered for the Goldberg match.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 29, 2010 9:22:43 GMT -5
I really liked it with all the Hart Family and especially the Hart Dynasty out there. Other than going on a bit too long and Bret not doing a lot of his famous moves(understandable considering his health condition) I thought it went really well.
I honestly wouldn't mind if Hart had a regular role. maybe even as RAW GM.
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Post by Phil Parent on Mar 29, 2010 10:32:46 GMT -5
My opinion is a question.
If you are dissapointed...well what did you expect?
You have a 65 year-old who didn't wrestle until he was 50 and then only did so sporadically and a 50 year old who had a stroke. The later can't take a bump, or even risk getting hit, or sustaining a whiplash effect.
The storyline and past history called for Hart to go over, massively.
Vince can truly make great things happen with his psychology. I'll point you to Hogan VS Vince for an example. And if he would have been a wrestler in his youth, we might speak of him as one of the all-time greats. But he's 65. Wrestling a guy that can't get hit.
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