Bret Hart v Vince McMahon Opinions?

[Boomaga]

It really was an uncomfortable to watch "match". I wish it hadn't happened and I wish Bret hadn't come back to add the worst match there is, the worst match there was and the worst match there ever will be to his otherwise stellar history.

[superkickkid]

[derrtaysouth95]

It was abysmal.

I had very high expectations for it and they all failed.

It went on too long. I don't care to see the same people from the HOF ceremony the night before. Where the hell was Jim Neidhart or Piper?

Also....why doesn't Bret Hart do anything more than change his shirt? Where the hell was his PROPER attire at?

I expected him to do more....and he didn't.

And they broke the wellness policy with chairshots almost.

It was the worst match with the realest storyline by far.

[wwerules60]

They f***ed up. There was no point to have the Hart family come out with Vince and then two seconds later, to no one's surprise, they're with Bret, it was just stupid. If the Hart family had to be there they should have come out after the match. And the match should have been two minutes of Bret working over Vince and slapping on the Sharpshooter.

[Throwback]

Mar 29, 2010 20:37:27 GMT -5 @derrtaysouth95 said:

Also....why doesn't Bret Hart do anything more than change his shirt? Where the hell was his PROPER attire at?

He said in an interview a tiny bit ago that the Hitman who wore the pink and black tights is dead. He flat out told the interviewer that he would never wear them again.

[variable]

I think it went on a bit long but I don't really know what people expected. I don't want to watch a stroke victim taking a bump. I was happy to watch Bret Hart get revenge by beating McMahon senseless, it's exactly what I was expected.

the family thing makes sense when you look at how poorly his family has been used and how often he had issues with them that related to WWF/E throughout the years. For him to actually, for once, have them all on his side when Vince thought it was otherwise was fitting.

but yes it absolutely dragged. But what it was made up of made absolute sense.

[cometfan1]

IT sounds to me like Vince really overthought things. I really didn't expect Hart-Austin out of this, but the Hart family was just too much overkill. Think of it this way wrestlecrappers: Bret got revenge, Vince is off tv recuperating (He in tv way too much anyway), Shawn got his great retirement match, and the universe is spinning in the right direction.

[valiens]

Last night was pretty poor. But tonight's RAW REALLY felt like closure. Between Bret's segment and HBK's farewell... I might be done with wrestling too. That was so perfect I don't want to ruin it with whatever comes next.

[cernex]

Mar 29, 2010 8:01:11 GMT -5 perkleton said:

im a massive bret mark, so i was really into the match, then even for me i was telling rbet to just ****ing put him in the sharpshooter. stop making the match boring

i think they might have thought the crowd would have been hanging on every single chairshot and move bret did, which might have been the case a couple of years ago but even then. it dragged on for a while.
bit disapointing, still really cool for me though

This.

[valiens]

Look, the only way this match could have worked the way they presented it would have been in Canada. What would have made more sense is if the Hart family turned on Vince mid-match. The way they set it up with Bret giving away the reveal like the end of Scoobie Doo might appeal to kids but kids don't remember the Montreal screw job. They should have told the story FOR ADULTS.

[Fade]

I know I'm late for the party, but anyone who saw me posting last night knows..

This was one of the worst things I've seen in Wrestling since I started watching Wrestling.

Yeah.

[JMA]

Mar 30, 2010 2:29:59 GMT -5 Fade said:

This was one of the worst things I've seen in Wrestling since I started watching Wrestling.

No it wasn't. I don't even know you and I can tell you're lying. Hell, you could've become a fan THIS YEAR and seen worse things.

And that's all I'm saying about that.

[i.Sarita.com]

I'm really not surprised at all about how bad this thing turned out. I've been against this entire angle since it started and I'm glad to see that I wasn't wrong in saying that it would turn out bad.

[brettappedout (BLM)]

It was disppointing, not because it wasn't a great match or very good, I mean no way was that happpening. It was atleast in my opinion ruined because they overbooked.

The Hart stuff at the being was just stupid and horriblly done. Then having it go 10/12 minutes when it should've been like 6 made it worse. I mean I got the beatdown part because Bret has been angry for 13 years and I didn't have a problem with the first tease of the Sharpshooter. It just went to long.

Again very disappointing and I'm sure Vince felt the same way. He is a perfectionist and I think he knew it was going bad, but had to stick with his plan to not so weakness and give Bret his moment.

[Fade]

Mar 30, 2010 2:35:14 GMT -5 JMA said:

Mar 30, 2010 2:29:59 GMT -5 Fade said:

This was one of the worst things I've seen in Wrestling since I started watching Wrestling.

No it wasn't. I don't even know you and I can tell you're lying. Hell, you could've become a fan THIS YEAR and seen worse things.

And that's all I'm saying about that.

No. Been watching since 98. Watched old stuff. Watched stuff from other companies. This was one of the worst things I've seen. Period. Please don't tell me I'm wrong about an opinion I have.

[Fade]

Mar 30, 2010 2:55:33 GMT -5 brettappedout (BLM) said:

It was disppointing, not because it wasn't a great match or very good, I mean no way was that happpening. It was atleast in my opinion ruined because they overbooked.

The Hart stuff at the being was just stupid and horriblly done. Then having it go 10/12 minutes when it should've been like 6 made it worse. I mean I got the beatdown part because Bret has been angry for 13 years and I didn't have a problem with the first tease of the Sharpshooter. It just went to long.

Again very disappointing and I'm sure Vince felt the same way. He is a perfectionist and I think he knew it was going bad, but had to stick with his plan to not so weakness and give Bret his moment.

Exactly. No one was expecting some sort of grand match. But at least tell a good story. They could have gone a bunch of different ways and this was just one big shoot-yourself-in-the-foot moment.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

I only have three complaints about the match.

1. It went about 5 minutes too long.

2. I think too many Harts were involved. I would have only brought out The Hart Dynasty, as they were the only ones who were established as heels already.

3. They gave away the swerve before the match even started.

I would have had Bret knock Vince down and set up the Sharpshooter, only for The Hart Dynasty to enter the ring. Bret distracted by this, gets low blowed by Vince. He orders Hart-Smith to pick him up and hold him for a Hart Attack v2, while Kidd goes to the apron. He gives a thumbs up to Natalya, who returns the signal... only to do a Batista and change it into a thumbs down. She slaps Vince, then does her discus clothesline to knock him down. Hart-Smith lets go of Bret and picks up Vince, allowing Kidd to springboard and hit the Hart Attack v2. THEN Bret locks in the Sharpshooter, Vince taps, match over, happy family, happy fans.

[Deleted]

Just like with the Invasion and ECW. WWE always screws up the easiest storylines to book.

[sunsaz]

I knew going in there was going to be no way we'd see a lot of workrate from these guys. Vince can't take the beatings he used to and Bret can't dish them out anymore either. This was more or less a glorified execution for a "crime" committed 12 1/2 years ago.

The only ones with anything to gain from this match were the Hart Dynasty who were looking for what we were hoping they'd get ever since Bret came back: a bit of a rub-off from Bret's popularity. But their heel status and shoddy booking prevented them from doing so. At least they finally got that rub they were looking for and tonight on Raw was proof of that.

[wrestlecrapcrap]

Mar 30, 2010 3:08:27 GMT -5 Fade said:

Mar 30, 2010 2:55:33 GMT -5 brettappedout (BLM) said:

It was disppointing, not because it wasn't a great match or very good, I mean no way was that happpening. It was atleast in my opinion ruined because they overbooked.

The Hart stuff at the being was just stupid and horriblly done. Then having it go 10/12 minutes when it should've been like 6 made it worse. I mean I got the beatdown part because Bret has been angry for 13 years and I didn't have a problem with the first tease of the Sharpshooter. It just went to long.

Again very disappointing and I'm sure Vince felt the same way. He is a perfectionist and I think he knew it was going bad, but had to stick with his plan to not so weakness and give Bret his moment.

Exactly. No one was expecting some sort of grand match. But at least tell a good story. They could have gone a bunch of different ways and this was just one big shoot-yourself-in-the-foot moment.

They did tell a story. They gave the most logical and just ending that anyone should have expected. It wasn't even about the swerve, they didn't give that as much focus because I don't think for a second we were meant to think the Hart's were with Vince, it was just a way for the entire family to get one up on Vince after what he has done to them.

The WWE aren't in the business of shocking swerves, surprise returns or gratuitous blood. Since about February 2008, they've booked simple story lines with personal issues between men that tell a logical story. In this Bret and Vince sage, they did it almost exclusively with the two men simply cutting promos on each other, as that was all that was needed. Even when Cena and Batista were involved, it was to further the logic of their story as well.

People seem to hate Russo style booking but now seem to complain that what they are getting is too logical. Well there's a clear choice now, the companies couldn't be more different in their writing philosophy.