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Post by noah9322 on May 22, 2010 20:15:37 GMT -5
1 - Scott Hall (with arrest, this could be his last straw.) 2 - Sean Waltman 3 - Tomko 4 - Raven 5 - Dr. Stevie 6 - Eric Young (Just cuz) 7 - Kiyoshi 8 - OBD 9 - Hamada 10 - Rhino 11 - Hire back Nastys, then fire them again 12 - Shark Boy 13 - Magnus 14 - Hogan BRUTHER/ Kevin Nash (Or better yet, put Nash on commentary.) 15 - Jimmy Hart
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 22, 2010 20:36:43 GMT -5
How so? It's a valid point. Firing Shark Boy, who's probably got one of the least expensive contracts on the roster, wouldn't do anything as a mony saving move. Getting rid of at least Scott Hall and Waltman(assuming Waltman's still on the payroll, anyways), who are both LONG past the point where they're any good to anyone, would save a ton of money, because those guys are probably making out like bandits. *Applause* I have been WAITING for someone to point out exactly that fact. Every single solitary post on here seems to be targeting what have to be the LEAST expensive talent (namely Shark Boy) and just gliding right by the MEGABUCK contracts of Hogan and his cronies. Just like you said, they could fire TWENTY Knockouts, Shark Boy five times, and Rhino, Neal, and the rest of the job squad and they probably STILL wouldn't be clear of the cost of Hogan/Bischoff/The Band combined. But for some reason, people are obsessed with the idea that getting rid of Shark Boy is this mind-blowingly awesome idea to save a billion dollars and get TNA back in the black. It seems to me that if a SMART person were cutting costs and reviewing these things, they'd keep him on (hell, he's probably on a "per appearance" deal as it is anyway, which is why he's never on TV anymore) and look at eliminating the pricier items on the list, like Hogan, the Band, Hemme, ect. As someone said earlier, if you can save six lower tier jobs by cutting just ONE top tier job, then you cut the top tier. To be fair (it might be myself), but I put guys who I felt would get released. And while logic states that one should cut people who are more expensive, logic isn't something TNA is going by. I knew when I heard about this, that the lower to midcard guys were going to likely be cut, because Hogan just brought in a bunch of guys he liked, and he felt would be money, and I feel, that he is going to feel that many of those mentioned here aren't valuable. Of the ones I listed, I only feel a few should go. In my own opinion, they should probably get rid of Ric Flair, Scott Hall, or someone who is being paid more then they are bringing in. Plus, if you take away the midcarders and the lower card guys, then who will become those guys. I tell you who won't. Jeff Hardy, Rob Van Dam, Mr. Anderson, and others who were just brought in. I think one problem with TNA, is they've hot shotted all these new guys coming in. With Christian, he came in, and there wasn't a big guy who came in after him for awhile. So, by the time the new guy came in, Christian was already established as a TNA talent. Then Kurt Angle came in, and so on. So, getting rid of established TNA stars like Rhino, Raven, Shark Boy, ODB, Homicide, etc is bad because the base TNA audience knows these people and they aren't just random new guys coming in. Yes, they know the guys like RVD and Jeff Hardy, but they're just WWE guys right now. Plus, I mentioned this before, but Shark Boy is apparently a good merch seller at house shows. And it's the same thing with Rey Mysterio. You got the mask, any shirts with the shark on them, basically, he's such an easy person to market with. So, all you need to do is just give him wins every now and again to keep him decent, and have him help put over up and coming heels. This idea of chopping out the bottom of your card is ridiculous, TNA is far too top heavy. But, again, these are the same people who ran WCW.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 22, 2010 20:43:17 GMT -5
Having worked for a local indie that seemed to apply that same thought, I can safely tell you that no, not anyone can ref a match.
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Post by Rorschach on May 22, 2010 21:15:00 GMT -5
*Applause* I have been WAITING for someone to point out exactly that fact. Every single solitary post on here seems to be targeting what have to be the LEAST expensive talent (namely Shark Boy) and just gliding right by the MEGABUCK contracts of Hogan and his cronies. Just like you said, they could fire TWENTY Knockouts, Shark Boy five times, and Rhino, Neal, and the rest of the job squad and they probably STILL wouldn't be clear of the cost of Hogan/Bischoff/The Band combined. But for some reason, people are obsessed with the idea that getting rid of Shark Boy is this mind-blowingly awesome idea to save a billion dollars and get TNA back in the black. It seems to me that if a SMART person were cutting costs and reviewing these things, they'd keep him on (hell, he's probably on a "per appearance" deal as it is anyway, which is why he's never on TV anymore) and look at eliminating the pricier items on the list, like Hogan, the Band, Hemme, ect. As someone said earlier, if you can save six lower tier jobs by cutting just ONE top tier job, then you cut the top tier. To be fair (it might be myself), but I put guys who I felt would get released. And while logic states that one should cut people who are more expensive, logic isn't something TNA is going by. I knew when I heard about this, that the lower to midcard guys were going to likely be cut, because Hogan just brought in a bunch of guys he liked, and he felt would be money, and I feel, that he is going to feel that many of those mentioned here aren't valuable. Of the ones I listed, I only feel a few should go. In my own opinion, they should probably get rid of Ric Flair, Scott Hall, or someone who is being paid more then they are bringing in. Plus, if you take away the midcarders and the lower card guys, then who will become those guys. I tell you who won't. Jeff Hardy, Rob Van Dam, Mr. Anderson, and others who were just brought in. I think one problem with TNA, is they've hot shotted all these new guys coming in. With Christian, he came in, and there wasn't a big guy who came in after him for awhile. So, by the time the new guy came in, Christian was already established as a TNA talent. Then Kurt Angle came in, and so on. So, getting rid of established TNA stars like Rhino, Raven, Shark Boy, ODB, Homicide, etc is bad because the base TNA audience knows these people and they aren't just random new guys coming in. Yes, they know the guys like RVD and Jeff Hardy, but they're just WWE guys right now. Plus, I mentioned this before, but Shark Boy is apparently a good merch seller at house shows. And it's the same thing with Rey Mysterio. You got the mask, any shirts with the shark on them, basically, he's such an easy person to market with. So, all you need to do is just give him wins every now and again to keep him decent, and have him help put over up and coming heels. This idea of chopping out the bottom of your card is ridiculous, TNA is far too top heavy. But, again, these are the same people who ran WCW. Good points all around, and I hadn't considered the concept of "roster balance" as it were, being affected by the cuts. I think you're absolutely right in the sense that gutting the lower to mid card would be disasterous for TNA right now....and that if there's ANY room to spare, its at the top of the card. And again, the fact that Shark Boy is a POSITIVE NET ASSET in the sense that he seems to be bringing in MORE than he costs to keep, makes it even MORE crazy that so MANY are eager to be rid of him. And yeah, I think your last line is 100% accurate, sadly.
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Post by renzino on May 22, 2010 21:32:54 GMT -5
^ I'm not eager for TNA to get rid of Shark Boy I like the guy. I just expect him to be one of the people they do cut.
But I do agree that getting rid a lot of the lower card talent would not really be saving money.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 22, 2010 22:35:01 GMT -5
If the lower priced talent is paid anything like the Knockouts, no it wouldn't.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 23, 2010 7:31:44 GMT -5
Get rid of Hemme. Just hire a microphone with attached implants.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2010 7:47:10 GMT -5
The main reason I'm personally open to cutting Shark Boy is because I had no idea he was still employed.
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Post by biafra on May 23, 2010 7:53:06 GMT -5
Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter Thus far, Carter has refused to cut those requested since she doesn't want talent who have been loyal to the organization be unemployed in these uncertain economic times. Well, my respect for her just went up about x10.
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Post by thatguybayne on May 23, 2010 12:26:43 GMT -5
Wait, so Shark Boy moves merch and they don't ever use him on TV? Ok...
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Post by pink on May 23, 2010 16:02:58 GMT -5
Hall's recent arrest could be a good excuse for the company to cut him, but I don't really know. I think the best thing for them is to stop everything and restart all over, give new life to the company. Well that, and that fact is that he makes more than Generation Me, Daffney, Shark Boy, and Sarita COMBINED is a good reason to let him go for budgets. Alot of people want to hate on hogan and the people he brought in, but there really is logic behing it, seeing as Hogan, Hall, Waltman, Flair, and Nash all make roughly about 1,000-1,500 for appearence (if you want them to wrestle, forget about it.) Maybe instead of firing all the people who have been loyal to TNA since before we lost the 2 extra sides to the ring, we can dim down the payrolls for all the new guys and pay them not by there "star Power" but by their longevity to the company and their work ethic.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 23, 2010 19:17:50 GMT -5
Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter Thus far, Carter has refused to cut those requested since she doesn't want talent who have been loyal to the organization be unemployed in these uncertain economic times. Well, my respect for her just went up about x10. Why? Yes, it's a nice sentiment, but it'll wind up hurting her and TNA in the long run, which will still be bad for those 15-20 people.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 23, 2010 19:20:58 GMT -5
Well, my respect for her just went up about x10. Why? Yes, it's a nice sentiment, but it'll wind up hurting her and TNA in the long run, which will still be bad for those 15-20 people. Not to mention the fact that if she didnt overhire to begin with, she might not have this issue
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Post by AriadosMan on May 23, 2010 19:28:41 GMT -5
Its not so much simply the overhiring (TNA was having a rather large roster into 2009) as it is the price of the people they hried. Its one thing to have an expansive roster of what basically consists of low-priced indie guys who get paid per appearance. Its quite another to hire RVD at only a little less than his last WWE contract for considerably less workdates.
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Post by Error on May 23, 2010 19:38:14 GMT -5
Well, my respect for her just went up about x10. Why? Yes, it's a nice sentiment, but it'll wind up hurting her and TNA in the long run, which will still be bad for those 15-20 people. Well, that and if not being used, they aren't being paid so it doesn't help the wrestlers either.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 23, 2010 19:58:21 GMT -5
Is that why Homicide asked for his release?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2010 20:04:18 GMT -5
She could've hired a hundred more GenMe's the roster size isn't the problem
Big Money contracts like Hardy,Hogan and Hall
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 23, 2010 20:11:58 GMT -5
She could've hired a hundred more GenMe's the roster size isn't the problem Big Money contracts like Hardy,Hogan and Hall Well, honestly, I see the TNA roster divided into three groups, represented by three TNA roster members: Jeff Hardy(Or RVD, as much as I dislike him), Shark Boy, and Scott Hall. With the Jeff Hardy group, you have guys that are being payed big money whether they're used or not, but, they offset that by having a built in fanbase that WILL come to see them, or watch them on tv, and will move merchandise at shows. This is a great investment for the company. Shark Boy's group is the guys who aren't used on television often, and are on per appearance deals. These guys are usually used at house shows, but, as is the case with Shark Boy, can move merchandise. These guys are the perfect employees for TNA right now, a solid investment with a solid return. Then, there's the Scott Hall group. I'd also put Ric Flair in here at this point, sadly. These guys are paid no matter what, but, honestly, are long past the point where their names mean anything from a drawing standpoint, if they ever did, and are really just a drain on the company. In an ideal world, the first two groups would offset the third, but TNA is not a perfect world. And, of course, there's always the chance that I'm full of crap, and none of this little business theory of mine is true in any way.
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Post by comahan on May 23, 2010 20:13:50 GMT -5
Why? Yes, it's a nice sentiment, but it'll wind up hurting her and TNA in the long run, which will still be bad for those 15-20 people. Well, that and if not being used, they aren't being paid so it doesn't help the wrestlers either. Most, like Homicide, Hamada etc, still do a lot of house shows though. So they arent just sitting there rotting
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Post by AriadosMan on May 23, 2010 20:33:27 GMT -5
Well, honestly, I see the TNA roster divided into three groups, represented by three TNA roster members: Jeff Hardy(Or RVD, as much as I dislike him), Shark Boy, and Scott Hall. With the Jeff Hardy group, you have guys that are being payed big money whether they're used or not, but, they offset that by having a built in fanbase that WILL come to see them, or watch them on tv, and will move merchandise at shows. This is a great investment for the company. Shark Boy's group is the guys who aren't used on television often, and are on per appearance deals. These guys are usually used at house shows, but, as is the case with Shark Boy, can move merchandise. These guys are the perfect employees for TNA right now, a solid investment with a solid return. Then, there's the Scott Hall group. I'd also put Ric Flair in here at this point, sadly. These guys are paid no matter what, but, honestly, are long past the point where their names mean anything from a drawing standpoint, if they ever did, and are really just a drain on the company. In an ideal world, the first two groups would offset the third, but TNA is not a perfect world. And, of course, there's always the chance that I'm full of crap, and none of this little business theory of mine is true in any way. The thing about Hardy/RVD is that even people who dislike them will admit they usually wrestle in their appearances, which justifies the paycheck. At this point, Hogan and Flair (and the vast amount of what Hall and Nash do) is...stand around and talk. None of them seem in good shape to be active wrestlers and justify the big bucks from that sense, and since they are permanent employees, they don't get a huge "Oh man, they're back!" pop like Bret got on RAW. All four of them are like male version of Christy Hemme value-wise.
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