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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2010 9:50:13 GMT -5
"Losing his smile" rather than facing (and jobbing to) Bret Hart at WM13. Claiming he knew nothing about the screwjob until years after the incident. Shawn was actually scheduled to lose the belt to Sid on that very Raw (and drop a match to Bret at WM), so he claimed his knee was acting up and figured it was better to forfeit the title and take time off. That's why Rocky Maivia beat Triple H for the I-C title. Company frustrated with Shawn? Take it out on Helmsley. (Which is a reason I don't harbor as much ill-will for Triple H as many do. He took bullet after bullet because of how his friends acted up, yet he was the low-man on the totem pole so he took the heat.)
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Post by dirtyoldman on Sept 18, 2010 10:50:06 GMT -5
always makes me wonder how vince let michaels get away with so much of this stuff.
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Post by Enrico Palazzo on Sept 18, 2010 12:18:41 GMT -5
Curtain Call at MSG.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Sept 18, 2010 13:08:18 GMT -5
It does sound like he has his head on straight now. He pays for everyone when he goes out, is less of a jerk to fans, etc. I think getting married/having a son helped him mature. Back then he was probably the biggest d-bag in the locker room. For his sake, Im glad he grown up. Actually, Orton and his wife had a girl. That's what the rose tattoo on his left arm is for. And now you know... I'll leave it open for somebody to finish the G.I. Joe reference. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by BearDogg-X on Sept 18, 2010 13:29:33 GMT -5
This is as good a place to ask this as any. Can I get the definitive explanation of what this whole "lost his smile" business is all about? I hear it on here all the time but I'm not 100% sure what it means. Shawn was supposed to wrestle and lose to Bret Hart at WrestleMania 13 in a rematch of WrestleMania XII, but Shawn decided to forfeit the WWE World Title on a special Thursday edition of Raw before the In Your House: Final Four pay-per-view and claim a knee injury. In his speech on the Thursday Raw, Shawn says that he "lost his smile".
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Post by vinnie245 on Sept 18, 2010 13:49:43 GMT -5
always makes me wonder how vince let michaels get away with so much of this stuff. Probably because WWE would of been officialy f***ed at the time if he walked out and vince knew it.
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Post by agent817 on Sept 18, 2010 14:39:18 GMT -5
Although Shawn may be one of my top favorites, I have to say that after reading some of his horror stories, I would have to say "Wow". With the Bulldog part, even watching the clipped footage of that match on the DX video makes me cringe a bit, and with the fact that Smith initially wanted to dedicate the match to his dying sister pisses me off even more.
As for jobbing to Austin, I really don't know what to think here. I've heard that his ego was at an all-time high during that point, but I can't say for sure that Undertaker threatening him was what caused him to agree to the job. Besides, if he really didn't want to job, why still be champion if his back was injured? Stripping the belt probably wouldn't have helped either.
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Post by Trent Valentine on Sept 18, 2010 15:13:27 GMT -5
This is as good a place to ask this as any. Can I get the definitive explanation of what this whole "lost his smile" business is all about? I hear it on here all the time but I'm not 100% sure what it means. Shawn was supposed to wrestle and lose to Bret Hart at WrestleMania 13 in a rematch of WrestleMania XII, but Shawn decided to forfeit the WWE World Title on a special Thursday edition of Raw before the In Your House: Final Four pay-per-view and claim a knee injury. In his speech on the Thursday Raw, Shawn says that he "lost his smile". And that pissed Bret off majorly. Undertaker agreed with him that he's faking his injury so he wouldn't drop the belt to him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2010 15:25:27 GMT -5
One thing of note is how despite having a knee injury, I've heard that at I think it was the Slammies just weeks after the lost smile Michaels was jumping all over the place like nothing happened.
Gotta say, takes a special kind of guy to pass on the biggest pay day of the year because he didn't want to lose a fake fight. Plus side, we got the Austin / Hart match out of it.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 18, 2010 16:11:49 GMT -5
I would guess that he probably had knee problems that he could've worked through if he'd really wanted to, but he decided not to since he didn't really want to do it anyway.
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Post by Throwback on Sept 18, 2010 16:21:44 GMT -5
HBK made VADER cry? lol that's a good one. Found that hard to beleive too...the interview with Jim Cornette on why vader never made it in the WWE is on youtube...he talks about it on there. It's pretty well documented that Vader was giant Teddy Bear outside of the ring and it was really easy to hurt his feelings. In fact, I think Bret even talks about that in Wrestling with Shadows.
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Post by who throws a shoe?! on Sept 18, 2010 16:34:33 GMT -5
I can't believe anyone here would defend Shawn's actions against Hogan at Summerslam. Even if you hate Hogan and love Shawn, it was one of the biggest slaps in the face a wrestler can do. Meh, of all the douchebag things anyone in WWE has done, at least this was hilariously entertaining. And no one deserved it more than Hogan.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 18, 2010 17:14:02 GMT -5
His overselling of Hogan in like 2005 or so was fricking unprofessional and hilarious ;D
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Sept 18, 2010 17:27:31 GMT -5
Think i was suprised by the vader crying story because i remember that story about vader,upon hearing that brian pillman had died said "we can think about that later ...i need a f'n finish to my match" so something similar...i used to think he was heartless...but i guess that could be because he didn't like pillman... Honestly, I always chalked it up to "the show must go on" mentality a lot of performers have. I think Bret Hart pretty much explained Vader's actions much the same way in his book (although Bret did get pissed at Vader for saying that and put him in his place for saying that). Has anyone else noticed that wrestling fans are the biggest gossiping hens? Hell, me included, but it's true. We want to know who's dating, what guy's getting fired next, and who hates who. What are you talking about? I mean sure, when I'm talking wrestling rumors with my friends it's over coffee at one of our dining room table. And when one of them teases a very intriguing tidbit I respond by exclaiming "Oh, Do tell!!!!" But I don't think that neccessarily makes me a gossipping hen.
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Post by vastardikai on Sept 18, 2010 17:29:58 GMT -5
I am mildly curious as to who was the main person behind the D-X runs Raw that buried EVERYONE en masse. Masters (who was trying to follow the f***ing Wellness policy), the tag division, Spirit Squad (again, even invoking a John Laurinitis impression that NO ONE outside of the IWC got.)
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Post by American Dragon on Sept 18, 2010 18:33:39 GMT -5
Why does everyone keep constantly saying he didn't want to "job" to Austin? He wasn't jobbing to anyone, he was simply dropping the title, it's not like they wanted him to get pinned 2 minutes into the match.
Huge difference between jobbing and losing clean.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 18, 2010 18:35:01 GMT -5
Just a heads up: let's leave HBK's religion out of this.
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Post by toonami4life on Sept 18, 2010 18:46:37 GMT -5
always makes me wonder how vince let michaels get away with so much of this stuff. Probably because WWE would of been officialy f***ed at the time if he walked out and vince knew it. Michaels probably knew it as well and that's why he did all the stuff he did. Honestly, TNA will be out of business by the time we're done listing all the stuff he pulled back then and managed to get away with. From throwing a temper tantrum and refusing to lose to Bulldog in his home country to using someone as a scapegoat to further his own cause he was a awful person back then. I seem to remeber shortly after he "lost his smile," that HHH was put into a match against Psycho Sid who was World Champion and Sid squashed him in like two minutes and Hunter didn't even get in one move against him. I have a feeling with one of his few friends getting the hell beaten out of him that that was a warning against Shawn after what he did that they where getting sick of his crap.
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Sept 18, 2010 18:57:46 GMT -5
I can't believe anyone here would defend Shawn's actions against Hogan at Summerslam. Even if you hate Hogan and love Shawn, it was one of the biggest slaps in the face a wrestler can do. Meh, of all the douchebag things anyone in WWE has done, at least this was hilariously entertaining. And no one deserved it more than Hogan. Actually, most wrestlers loved working with Hogan
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Sept 18, 2010 19:20:23 GMT -5
Meh, of all the douchebag things anyone in WWE has done, at least this was hilariously entertaining. And no one deserved it more than Hogan. Actually, most wrestlers loved working with Hogan Exactly. He was incredibly easy to work with, and your match was guaranteed to be the hottest one on the card. Plus I still don't think he was overselling to bury Hogan. He always oversold as a heel, like Mr. Perfect. Watch In Your House: DX, he pulls some of the same stuff out vs Shamrock. Let's be honest, HBK taking boring back bumps for a 50 something Hogan wouldn't have been anywhere near as entertaining.
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