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Post by Snaptastic on Sept 18, 2010 19:44:59 GMT -5
Actually, most wrestlers loved working with Hogan Exactly. He was incredibly easy to work with, and your match was guaranteed to be the hottest one on the card. Plus I still don't think he was overselling to bury Hogan. He always oversold as a heel, like Mr. Perfect. Watch In Your House: DX, he pulls some of the same stuff out vs Shamrock. Let's be honest, HBK taking boring back bumps for a 50 something Hogan wouldn't have been anywhere near as entertaining. There's overselling...and then there's taking the p*ss. HBK did that latter during his match with Hogan. Yes I couldn't run a promotion, and would fail at the first hurdle probably.... Yet had I been in charge, HBK would have had his ass out the door faster than he could realise it. I remember watching it, and being almost disgusted with the sight. It was well beyond overselling in my book. I can understand the hilarity from a fan POV. But from a management POV, you can't be happy with his attitude. I'm not saying Hogan is an angel (he's far from it so I've read)...yet HBK did himself no favours whatsoever at that point. I like HBK as a wrestler/entertainer....but the guy himself is a complete douche. He no doubt always will be, no matter how much he likes to say he's changed.
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Post by andrewgilkison on Sept 18, 2010 19:52:51 GMT -5
Outside of the way he sold the big boot, what Shawn did for most of that match didn't look any different than the way he sold for babyfaces in the early to mid-90's.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Sept 18, 2010 19:53:08 GMT -5
Yet, many (including Chris Jericho) considered it one of Hogan's best matches EVER.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 18, 2010 20:08:10 GMT -5
I really never understood why HBK flopping around like a fish on a hook made Hogan look bad. He's Hulk Hogan, of course his punches are going to have that kind of power.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Sept 18, 2010 20:09:51 GMT -5
What I don't get is how Michaels was seen as a backstage politician. From the stories you hear he was so obvious about it that it makes him look stupid at times. At least when say Hogan politicized nobody knew what was going on until it was too late to stop it.
Yeah, it's Scott Steiner but it's still funny.
Michaels humiliated one of his fans one time. She gave him something to sign and he wasn't in the mood to do it. So she left (angry I guess) and while she was walking away he put on a sign saying "LESBIAN" on her back.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Sept 18, 2010 20:10:35 GMT -5
It's also kind of touched on in the "Heartbreak and Triumph" DVD, where Hunter mentions HBK showing up during the Raw/Nitro telecast, and he was just pilled out of his mind. Trips mentions that Taker just looked at him with a "Can you believe this?" look on his face, and at that point Taker had had it with Shawn. Taker was fed up with Shawn at that time. That is totally different. This was on the lead-up to Wrestlemania X-Seven when HBK was apparently contacted to be the special referee in the match between HHH and Undertaker. That was when HBK showed up pilled/drooling and then Taker and HHH just shook heads. HBK then started chewing out HHH to everyone who could listen to his drugged-up stupor. It took some reconciliation for HHH to forgive Shawn on that.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 18, 2010 20:14:56 GMT -5
What I don't get is how Michaels was seen as a backstage politician. From the stories you hear he was so obvious about it that it makes him look stupid at times. At least when say Hogan politicized nobody knew what was going on until it was too late to stop it. Yeah, it's Scott Steiner but it's still funny. Michaels humiliated one of his fans one time. She gave him something to sign and he wasn't in the mood to do it. So she left (angry I guess) and while she was walking away he put on a sign saying "LESBIAN" on her back. Shawn brought that up in some interview if I recall, saying it literally made him ashamed of himself, that she did absolutely nothing to deserve it. If I recall, it was a jacket he did this to, and it was a decidedly stronger word than lesbian.
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Post by Bearer is God on Sept 18, 2010 20:29:08 GMT -5
Wasn't Shawn Michaels responsible for Owen Hart not getting a WWF title push with him after Bret left? Pretty sure Jim Cornette brought that up in an interview once...
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Post by subject2 on Sept 18, 2010 20:40:43 GMT -5
Did Michaels just sleep with sunny or was it a full blown affair? Im sure i remember hearing a story where they went on holiday together and during that period Vince encouraged the affair and used to let them both be alone together in his office?
It might have been from a sunny shoot video...anyone heard any truth to this?
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Sept 18, 2010 21:44:52 GMT -5
Did Michaels just sleep with sunny or was it a full blown affair? Im sure i remember hearing a story where they went on holiday together and during that period Vince encouraged the affair and used to let them both be alone together in his office? It might have been from a sunny shoot video...anyone heard any truth to this? They were having an affair for 6 months. Then Sunny decided to go back to Chris Candido and that was the beginning of the end for his time in the WWF. I think that led to things like her getting crap in her sandwich.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Sept 18, 2010 22:32:38 GMT -5
Yeah, it's Scott Steiner but it's still funny. That is, if Steiner is to be believed. He's the Denzel Q. Crocker of professional wrestling. Back on topic, five pages and no mention of Michaels jobbing to five John Cenas in Syracuse?
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Post by And_5400 on Sept 19, 2010 0:17:00 GMT -5
Wasn't there something just recently about Shawn refusing to lose against the S.E.S because he didn't like Punks character so they gave the Tag titles to Show and Mix or was that just NEWZ?
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Sept 19, 2010 0:42:34 GMT -5
Why does everyone keep constantly saying he didn't want to "job" to Austin? He wasn't jobbing to anyone, he was simply dropping the title, it's not like they wanted him to get pinned 2 minutes into the match. Huge difference between jobbing and losing clean. Nope. "Doing the job" = losing. It can be a two-minute match or an hour-long clinic; the loser does the job.
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Post by machomark on Sept 19, 2010 0:42:35 GMT -5
I love this thread, might as well be called Lets bash Michaels
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Sept 19, 2010 0:57:19 GMT -5
I love this thread, might as well be called Lets bash Michaels Just nostalgic for the good old days when we could and not feel bad about it. Outside of the way he sold the big boot, what Shawn did for most of that match didn't look any different than the way he sold for babyfaces in the early to mid-90's. I distinctly remember watching that match, and what gave it away to me that he was trying to undermine Hogan was when Hogan drove his head into one of the turnbuckles and HBK nipped up to the bottom rope so he could do a Jannetty-flip sell off of that turnbuckle bump. HBK hadn't sold anything like that since 1994. I personally thought it was hilarious, and didn't necessarily find it any more ridiculous than the way Hennig used to sell for Hogan, but it was just priceless to me, even if it was wickedly unprofessional.
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Post by johnnytightlips on Sept 19, 2010 1:19:15 GMT -5
What I don't get is how Michaels was seen as a backstage politician. From the stories you hear he was so obvious about it that it makes him look stupid at times. At least when say Hogan politicized nobody knew what was going on until it was too late to stop it. Yeah, it's Scott Steiner but it's still funny. Michaels humiliated one of his fans one time. She gave him something to sign and he wasn't in the mood to do it. So she left (angry I guess) and while she was walking away he put on a sign saying "LESBIAN" on her back. Reading that reminds me of an early DX promo where him and Hunter called a fat lady in the audience a skank on RAW. I believe she had on a tank top with the letters DX on it and they were asking her stuff like if she had 2 nipples for a dime and if she was double or triple DX.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 19, 2010 1:49:29 GMT -5
Actually, most wrestlers loved working with Hogan Exactly. He was incredibly easy to work with, and your match was guaranteed to be the hottest one on the card. Plus I still don't think he was overselling to bury Hogan. He always oversold as a heel, like Mr. Perfect. Watch In Your House: DX, he pulls some of the same stuff out vs Shamrock. Let's be honest, HBK taking boring back bumps for a 50 something Hogan wouldn't have been anywhere near as entertaining. The thing about HBK's selling in that match is Perfect did some of the same things more than 10 years prior, but some how he did it so it didn't look comical, even if they were almost identical.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 12:18:59 GMT -5
Just a heads up: let's leave HBK's religion out of this. All I said was the word "Christianity", and you felt it necessary to delete my entire 3 paragraph post that had nothing to do with religion or anything that broke the rules of this forum? Why not just delete what you considered "offensive" and leave the rest of it alone? Clearly I did not mean to start a religious war as I spent 99.9% of my post talking about SSlam 05.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 12:26:51 GMT -5
Exactly. He was incredibly easy to work with, and your match was guaranteed to be the hottest one on the card. Plus I still don't think he was overselling to bury Hogan. He always oversold as a heel, like Mr. Perfect. Watch In Your House: DX, he pulls some of the same stuff out vs Shamrock. Let's be honest, HBK taking boring back bumps for a 50 something Hogan wouldn't have been anywhere near as entertaining. Mr. Perfect oversold but it was in an effort to make his opponent look good. Same with The Rock's selling of the Stunner. I don't think Michaels had that intention in mind, especially with his selling of the big boot. Even if you thought Shawn was doing a Hennig impression, the following night on Raw he proceeded to talk trash about Hogan in a shoot-ish fashion. He clearly was not happy doing the job for Hogan, so he went out and tried to make a mockery of the match. Unprofessional and unnecessary. If he wasn't Shawn Michaels he should have been fired on the spot, IMO. That was one of the highest watched non-WM PPV's the WWE had in many years at that time, and you have your main eventer pull a stunt like that. Embarassing.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 19, 2010 12:39:04 GMT -5
Exactly. He was incredibly easy to work with, and your match was guaranteed to be the hottest one on the card. Plus I still don't think he was overselling to bury Hogan. He always oversold as a heel, like Mr. Perfect. Watch In Your House: DX, he pulls some of the same stuff out vs Shamrock. Let's be honest, HBK taking boring back bumps for a 50 something Hogan wouldn't have been anywhere near as entertaining. There's overselling...and then there's taking the p*ss. HBK did that latter during his match with Hogan. Yes I couldn't run a promotion, and would fail at the first hurdle probably.... Yet had I been in charge, HBK would have had his ass out the door faster than he could realise it. I remember watching it, and being almost disgusted with the sight. It was well beyond overselling in my book. I can understand the hilarity from a fan POV. But from a management POV, you can't be happy with his attitude. I'm not saying Hogan is an angel (he's far from it so I've read)...yet HBK did himself no favours whatsoever at that point. I like HBK as a wrestler/entertainer....but the guy himself is a complete douche. He no doubt always will be, no matter how much he likes to say he's changed. What you've got to realize is that management probably wasn't happy with Hogan either. WWE was planning on two matches between Hogan and HBK which could be selling points for two PPVs.
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