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Post by Greer on Dec 30, 2010 11:39:41 GMT -5
The WWE wants Brock back, well they could have had another one already if they used Matt Morgan the right way. The guy can talk, he is massive, and while not as athletic as Brock, he could have easily been a suitable replacement and the biggest star in the company.
Honorable mentions:
Matt Hardy (Version 1 gimmick) MVP The Pope Rikishi RVD
Seriously this list could go on forever, so I will stop there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2010 12:03:31 GMT -5
*Nova (as Simon Dean): Hey, he was a comedy guy, and he actually did his damndest to make that gimmick work (he made up an entire workout system and energy drink), but they made him a total jobber. *Colt Cabana (as Scotty Goldman): Again, see Nova. He could've worked as the SmackDown alternate to Santino Marella, and was really good at his shtick (even though I only saw his Khali/Runjin Singh parody). This was during that time where the program had a bunch of new guys (like Ryan Braddock), but they were all job bait. *Paul Burchill: Even as a ring general, Burchill could've allowed for a decent match even at house shows. At least he could've kept the pirate gimmick and then when that got old reinvented him as "the Ripper" heel that he had in ECW. Not asking him to be WWE Champion, but not to be buried in a stupid feud against Gregory Helms. *Katie Lea: Very good wrestler, much like Victoria (Tara in TNA), but the WWE insisted that she'd be there to put over ineffective divas like Kelly Kelly and the Bellas. At least she didn't lose to Rosa Mendez. *Mike Knox: I always bring him up, because the fact that he spent his last year of employment losing EVERY match he was in (even house shows), and eventually being squashed by Evan Bourne and JTG. He could've been a guy who could've been a threat for up-and-comers or even competed for the IC belt. *Luke Gallows: Same as Knox.
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Post by Danimal on Dec 31, 2010 3:38:59 GMT -5
Elijah Burke-I just don't get why they never gave him a shot. Good wrestler, good look, good talker. So why just use him to get other guys over?
Shelton-pushed him before he was ready then refused to show any commitment to him. You can only push the "best athlete" schtick through so many jobs before folks quit buying it.
Morgan-gave him a stupid gimmick then dumped a quality big-man
Eugene/Dinsmore-Just have have him turn on Benoit and have it turn-out that he was pretending to be slow. He and Bisch were actually in cahoots to get control of the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 10:43:13 GMT -5
Yes, this is the best way to look at it. In the "What's Next For The Big Show" thread, it's really hard to fathom 10-11 years ago that we'd be at such a loss of direction for this guy. A big guy you're trying to promote as "The World's Largest Athlete" should not have such a lousy win/loss record. He should have been an attraction in and of himself like Andre was. It should be a huge deal to watch the Big Show, but it's not. He's just another wrestler who happens to be a big guy. I don't think its far to compare Big Show to Andre The Giant because it was from different eras. In Andre The Giant's day, you didn't get wrestling 3/4 days a week and he wrestled very sparingly, extending his novelty. Plus, after Andre, why bother capitalizing on another giant when its been done before. Thats like saying Buzz Aldrin's moonlanding was as great as Neil Armstrongs, when really, it dosen't compare. Andre was one of a kind and can be imitated, but never duplicated. So what's you're implying is after Neil Armstrong stepped foot and walked on the moon, Buzz should have just stayed in the cabin and not even bothered to come out. (For the record, Buzz loved the one fact they couldn't take from him; he was "the first man to leave the moon's surface".) What I'm trying to say is that it should be a huge deal to beat the Big Show. Big Show's matches should NOT be treated as an afterthought; he should be an attraction people would pay to see in the ring. Andre didn't have the market cornered on that; since the dawn of creative booking (as opposed to actual competition), there have been wrestlers whom you bought tickets to see just for the fact of how obsolete their character was, or how freakish in nature they were. I'm not saying the man should never lose, either. But, it should be a feather in somebody's cap, a step above winning a second-tier title or a King of the Ring tournament. It should make people stand up and take notice. "This is the guy who beat the Big Show. He's not to be taken lightly. He's going to be a force in the WWF/E" But, Vince just had to show the wrestling world that HE alone had the power, and he sacrificed the Big Show for one week's ratings in a "war" that was all but "won" by that time.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 31, 2010 14:12:37 GMT -5
Thoughts on some of the people mentioned:
Matt Hardy: The first year or so of V1, he was exciting and oozed confidence, and the iron was hot enough to strike. Any point after that, the fire didn't seem to be there anymore.
Kaval: I'd have stayed with him a little bit longer, maybe given him the Daniel Bryan slow burn.
Shelton Benjamin: Fun to watch, but no. He couldn't talk or connect with crowds worth a damn when not flipping- something Jeff Hardy, his goofy accent aside, at least knows how to do. Hass was a more complete package.
Elijah Burke: I'm not too sure if he was word champion material at that point, but he didn't need to be Punk food.
MVP: Yes, but the ship had sailed by 2010.
Christian: No. In fact, I think he's got a legitimate claim for the Hall of Fame already through his tag team run with Edge.
Barrett/Nexus: No. At least not at this point.
Scotty Goldman: Yeah, he could have served as Smackdown's Santino.
Booker T: Outside of that match at WMXIX he should have won, not quite. The King Booker run did a lot for him.
Tazz: No, his neck was torn up even when he first debuted against Angle. The end was near.
Mike Knox: Could have at least been a good enforcer for someone.
Vader: I'd have given him perhaps one of Psycho Sid's two reigns to establish him as a monster who can get it done.
The Burchills: For Paul, not as the pirate- it was fun, but it had a limited shelf life (see: Rapper Cena). Katie Lea, yes, and not just because I found her hot as hell.
O' Haire: Yes, his whole act was different and cool.
Jake Roberts: I wouldn't have given him the world title, but I was always surprised he never at least won the IC belt.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 31, 2010 14:21:18 GMT -5
I don't think its far to compare Big Show to Andre The Giant because it was from different eras. In Andre The Giant's day, you didn't get wrestling 3/4 days a week and he wrestled very sparingly, extending his novelty. Plus, after Andre, why bother capitalizing on another giant when its been done before. Thats like saying Buzz Aldrin's moonlanding was as great as Neil Armstrongs, when really, it dosen't compare. Andre was one of a kind and can be imitated, but never duplicated. So what's you're implying is after Neil Armstrong stepped foot and walked on the moon, Buzz should have just stayed in the cabin and not even bothered to come out. (For the record, Buzz loved the one fact they couldn't take from him; he was "the first man to leave the moon's surface".). Buzz could've done whatever he wanted, I'm just saying he can't compare to Neil Armstrong. And what do you mean "leave the moons surface?" Armstrong got back to Earth, so he had to leave the surface as well.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 31, 2010 14:25:46 GMT -5
I don't think its far to compare Big Show to Andre The Giant because it was from different eras. In Andre The Giant's day, you didn't get wrestling 3/4 days a week and he wrestled very sparingly, extending his novelty. Plus, after Andre, why bother capitalizing on another giant when its been done before. Thats like saying Buzz Aldrin's moonlanding was as great as Neil Armstrongs, when really, it dosen't compare. Andre was one of a kind and can be imitated, but never duplicated. What I'm trying to say is that it should be a huge deal to beat the Big Show. Big Show's matches should NOT be treated as an afterthought; he should be an attraction people would pay to see in the ring. Andre didn't have the market cornered on that; since the dawn of creative booking (as opposed to actual competition), there have been wrestlers whom you bought tickets to see just for the fact of how obsolete their character was, or how freakish in nature they were. I'm not saying the man should never lose, either. But, it should be a feather in somebody's cap, a step above winning a second-tier title or a King of the Ring tournament. It should make people stand up and take notice. "This is the guy who beat the Big Show. He's not to be taken lightly. He's going to be a force in the WWF/E" But, Vince just had to show the wrestling world that HE alone had the power, and he sacrificed the Big Show for one week's ratings in a "war" that was all but "won" by that time. Can't argue with that, at least in the beginning of his run.
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 31, 2010 14:33:31 GMT -5
He was used poorly in WCW, and even worse in WWE. I was a big fan of his during his ECW days, and I thought he would be huge. He started out ok in both companys, but it all went downhill pretty fast. For a guy that big, with superb athleticism, he should have been a multi time world champ.
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Post by johnpricesuperstar on Jan 1, 2011 5:42:43 GMT -5
Lex Luger- they took a WCW champion and didn't know what to do with him. I hate to thnk they would have done the same to Sting if he went to the WWF in 1993 and was given the Real American gimmick.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Jan 1, 2011 8:11:25 GMT -5
Colt Cabana. The man is talented in all aspects of wrestling, it still blows my mind that all he did was a few quick jobs and then shown the door.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 9:31:48 GMT -5
So what's you're implying is after Neil Armstrong stepped foot and walked on the moon, Buzz should have just stayed in the cabin and not even bothered to come out. (For the record, Buzz loved the one fact they couldn't take from him; he was "the first man to leave the moon's surface".). Buzz could've done whatever he wanted, I'm just saying he can't compare to Neil Armstrong. And what do you mean "leave the moons surface?" Armstrong got back to Earth, so he had to leave the surface as well. Just replying to your question, Buzz was the first one to climb back up the ladder and get back in the lunar module. So, Buzz could be considered the innovator of the MITB match.
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Jan 1, 2011 12:11:49 GMT -5
As much as I think the Sandman was a horrible wrestler, he was pretty over with the crowd and just think what Punk could do as far as making comedy with him.
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 1, 2011 15:46:36 GMT -5
Buzz could've done whatever he wanted, I'm just saying he can't compare to Neil Armstrong. And what do you mean "leave the moons surface?" Armstrong got back to Earth, so he had to leave the surface as well. Just replying to your question, Buzz was the first one to climb back up the ladder and get back in the lunar module. So, Buzz could be considered the innovator of the MITB match. Now I want to see a MITB match on the moon. Imagine the spots you could pull off with so little gravity!!
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Post by Thynny Fat Ass on Jan 1, 2011 23:12:33 GMT -5
Kevin Thorn.
Don't name a vampire "Kevin."
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Post by crimsonwolf on Jan 2, 2011 14:45:56 GMT -5
Thoughts on some of the people mentioned: Booker T: Outside of that match at WMXIX he should have won, not quite. The King Booker run did a lot for him. I guess my problem with King Booker was that his World Title run felt transitional until Batista recovered from his injury. I don't think Booker ever got his rematch either.
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Post by NYR_Bacon on Jan 2, 2011 15:05:14 GMT -5
Mark Henry after he beat Randy Orton last year, I remember the crowd reaction being immense. How that didn't turn into at the very least a rematch with Orton baffles me. Just something that bothers me everytime I see him get beat down on Raw every other week.
In terms of overall dropping the ball I would incude: The Burchills MVP - Sure he ended up being a popular midcarder, but he looked to be on the brink of main event a few years back. The Jesse/Festus and Wang Yang/Moore tag teams - Not saying they would be anything more than what they were before but solid tag teams seem to be a rarity in the WWE at the moment.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 2, 2011 15:13:29 GMT -5
Dan Spivey as Waylon Mercy. That gimmick was terrifying and so unique at the time. I'm sure they could have done a lot more with him.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 2, 2011 16:31:08 GMT -5
Dan Spivey as Waylon Mercy. That gimmick was terrifying and so unique at the time. I'm sure they could have done a lot more with him. I think they did have big plans for him but he got injured and had to retire.
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