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Post by Dub H on Sept 2, 2011 20:44:59 GMT -5
Heh. Laharl vs. Overlord Prier, first to destroy the planet wins! Gig wins. He is motherf***ing Gig,he must win. also,iw ant to play so much Zettai Hero,stupid pspa nd and you stupidness!youa re so so..stupid!why you dont let me play?
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Sept 2, 2011 23:10:47 GMT -5
In any case, the Tactics Ogre remake does get harder... come to think of it, while there are features that make the PSP game easier, it's still pretty hard when you're outnumbered. I'm not sure if this feature in the original game, but in some battles in castle gates, the enemy constantly regenerates reinforcements, which can be a real killer, aside from other things.
Also, this is one of the things that I really remember when I started playing the game in the PS1:
The music got upgraded, more or less. Awesome stuff.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 3, 2011 6:19:24 GMT -5
Can somebody recommend where I should start with non-Persona Shin Megami Tensei games? I have a PSP, PS2 and a DS.
I'm thinking about buying Digital Devil Saga (and the second game if I like the first).
Personally I’m all for portable ports as P3P got me into the series.
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Post by Chronos on Sept 3, 2011 7:05:07 GMT -5
Digital Devil Saga is a fantastic starting point, but the two games are basically two halves of one game. If you play one, you really need the other.
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Nocturne/Lucifer's Call (PS2) is generally considered the best SMT game to see worldwide release. The game centers around an apocalypse known as "the Conception" that destroys Tokyo, and a group of survivors' efforts in changing and remaking the new world. This game has six possible endings.
It's a bit light on characters and character development compared to most of the games that have come after it, but the game is a master class in RPG design. Nocturne is a "main series" title, but it drops the traditional Megaten Law/Chaos/Neutral alignments in favor of each character's motivations, or "Reasons," for recreating the world.
Strange Journey (DS) centers around a team of top military personnel and scientists investigating a temporal disturbance in Antarctica that turns out to be an alternate dimension known as the "Schwarzvelt," populated by demons. This game has three endings.
It's a first-person dungeon crawler, just like the first two Shin Megami Tensei games (or the Etrian Odyssey games, if you've played them). It's the latest "main series" title and it goes back to being centered around the three alignments, but the game also offers a lot of social commentary, particularly on the role of technology in human society. Also, there are over 300 fusable demons, which is more than any other SMT game.
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The two Raidou Kuzunoha games (PS2) take place in an alternate-reality 1932 Japan, and are about a high schooler who becomes an apprentice detective, as well as the next in a long line of devil summoners who are sworn to protect the capital.
They're solid action-RPGs, and they lean toward the more lighthearted end of the SMT franchise. The first game is a little rough control-wise, but the second fixes every problem the first had and adds several more things to boot.
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Devil Survivor (DS) is a great strategy-RPG that seems to blend old and new Megaten very well. It's got an anime artstyle similar to the more recent Persona games, but it's also got the struggle between Law and Chaos and the depth of moral choices that characterize the older games in the series. There's also a sequel out in Japan, that's heading here next year. Europe should get it, I'd think.
The gameplay is great, too, as you organize your demons into teams headed up by your party members and fight in groups of 3. Each race of demon has its own racial skill, in addition to their Dia and Zio and etc. Demon fusion is ever-present as always (though the DS version of the first game lacks a compendium), and you can also buy new demons through the new "Devil Auction" feature.
Hope I did a decent job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 9:30:53 GMT -5
Sounds about right, Hippie.
My favorite non-Personas, in order: Digital Devil Saga I & II. If you play the first you have to play the second to get the whole story. It feels a lot different than the other games in the franchise, mostly because it focuses on Eastern religion/philosophy for its story and gameplay elements. I think it has the strongest characters and character development in the franchise, and the battle system/character customization is a lot easier to manage than Nocturne, not that DDS are easy games.
Devil Summoner Raidou Kuzunoha vs. Soulless Army / King Abaddon. These are more light-hearted than other games, and are action-RPGs to a certain extent, though you don't get wide open battlefields. The second one, King Abaddon, is better than the first, but they are both a lot of fun. I still have to finish the first game though.
Devil Survivor. Kind of a strategy RPG/turn-based RPG hybrid, with grid-based movement but turn-based battles. The main problem I have with this one is that the early demons you can get and fuse together become useless later on, even if you level them up and boost their stats. Each class of demon gives you extra abilities, which is a neat idea that opens up the gameplay a great deal.
Strange Journey. Very much an old SMT game in style. First-person RPG, Law/Neutral/Chaos, with a lot of demons to negotiate with and fuse. There's a password system for demons so you can bring back a favorite one or find some awesome ones that other people created, which is a great feature.
Nocturne. Yeah, it's my least favorite. But, it's still really good. The world is increasingly desolate and there is a lot of horrible things that happen to the characters that make it an interesting world for a video game. This game is damn hard until you get to the end of the game with all the Magatamas and start leveling up past 99. Managing skills is more difficult than in DDS, as you only get one chance to equip a skill, and if you erase the skill you lose it forever. In the American version you can get Dante from DMC in your party, not sure if that's true in the PAL version or not (or if there is a PAL version, not all the SMT games get released in Europe). I think in one of the Japanese versions you can get Raidou Kuzunoha instead, which I would have liked better.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 3, 2011 15:00:10 GMT -5
Thanks for that, you both certainly did a great (and comprehensive) job, plus as you both named yourself after Earthbound I know I can trust those opinions.
I decided to get the two digital devil games and Nocturne/Lucifer's Call; I was surprised that I could still get new copies for a reasonable price.
Sadly that wasn’t the case for the Devil Summoner Raidou Kuzunoha vs. Soulless Army / King Abaddon as they’re a bit too pricey, shame as I think I might have preferred them to Nocturne due to their lighter tone.
It’ll be a lot easier if these games stuck with one name.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 20:51:14 GMT -5
Thanks for that, you both certainly did a great (and comprehensive) job, plus as you both named yourself after Earthbound I know I can trust those opinions. I decided to get the two digital devil games and Nocturne/Lucifer's Call; I was surprised that I could still get new copies for a reasonable price. Sadly that wasn’t the case for the Devil Summoner Raidou Kuzunoha vs. Soulless Army / King Abaddon as they’re a bit too pricey, shame as I think I might have preferred them to Nocturne due to their lighter tone. It’ll be a lot easier if these games stuck with one name. The Raidou Kuzunoha games are pretty hard to find. I got vs. KA new, but had to get vs. TSA used because I couldn't find it new for a decent price. I can see KA being pricey if it comes with the totally awesome and not unmanly in anyway Raiho plushie preorder/first printing bonus. Hope you enjoy the games!
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Sept 3, 2011 22:38:02 GMT -5
Went to a Flea Market today, five minutes in got Dragon Warrior 7 for $10
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Post by Chronos on Sept 4, 2011 3:09:49 GMT -5
Went to a Flea Market today, five minutes in got Dragon Warrior 7 for $10 That's a really good deal. I got it for $25 and thought it was a steal, so great find! Now have fun spending the next month beating it since it's so obscenely long. Also, I'm obligated to post this if anyone hasn't seen it, but beware as the video contains huge Persona 4 spoilers: www.youtube.com/watch?v=keDA_6vxsVkI didn't actually embed the video because of the spoilers. Suffice it to say, though, it is one of the greatest things ever.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 5, 2011 0:02:07 GMT -5
Kay guys, I'm going to start having some long commutes for work so I need some DS RPGs.
Got the Pokemons, Suikoden, Final Fantasy 4 and Dragon Quest 9.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 0:11:55 GMT -5
Kay guys, I'm going to start having some long commutes for work so I need some DS RPGs. Got the Pokemons, Suikoden, Final Fantasy 4 and Dragon Quest 9. Radiant Historia. Awesome old-school style RPG with some neat time travel/parallel universe touches. Final Fantasy III. A neat job system and a fairly difficult traditional Final Fantasy. Chrono Trigger. One of the best games of all time, though the extra (optional) stuff added to the DS version kind of sucks. A lot. Still, it's a great game. Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor. An apocalypse-themed hybrid strategy/turn-based RPG set in Japan. You're a bunch of teenagers who summon demons from DS-looking devices. Has a few endings to get and you can fight the devil in a difficult optional fight. Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey. First-person RPG set in a mysterious dimension called the Schwarzwelt that has appeared in Antarctica. Really creepy and awesome. Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon. Great strategy RPG, can be very frustrating at times but is a lot of fun to play. Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume. Strategy RPG where you can kill your party members to get special skills with lots of Norse mythology references. Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier. Anime style turn-based RPG with giant robots, cat men, cat girls, fish girls, robot men, robot women, KOS-MOS, and massive combo building. Also boobs.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 5, 2011 1:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 5, 2011 2:16:42 GMT -5
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 5, 2011 4:42:44 GMT -5
Kay guys, I'm going to start having some long commutes for work so I need some DS RPGs. Got the Pokemons, Suikoden, Final Fantasy 4 and Dragon Quest 9. The World Ends With You. Negative: You need to use the stylus so it depends how bumpy your commute is. Pro: It's neatly broken up into days, you can change the difficulty level throughout the game and you can save anytime (outside of battle) making it ideal for commuting, it also contains my favourite battle system in any RPG. Don't be tempted by Mario and Luigi: Bowser's inside story, it's a great game but you have to blow into the mic so may not be the best game to play in public (unless you don't mind that of course).
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Post by Chronos on Sept 5, 2011 6:46:45 GMT -5
Kay guys, I'm going to start having some long commutes for work so I need some DS RPGs. Got the Pokemons, Suikoden, Final Fantasy 4 and Dragon Quest 9. Radiant Historia. Awesome old-school style RPG with some neat time travel/parallel universe touches. Final Fantasy III. A neat job system and a fairly difficult traditional Final Fantasy. Chrono Trigger. One of the best games of all time, though the extra (optional) stuff added to the DS version kind of sucks. A lot. Still, it's a great game. Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor. An apocalypse-themed hybrid strategy/turn-based RPG set in Japan. You're a bunch of teenagers who summon demons from DS-looking devices. Has a few endings to get and you can fight the devil in a difficult optional fight. Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey. First-person RPG set in a mysterious dimension called the Schwarzwelt that has appeared in Antarctica. Really creepy and awesome. Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon. Great strategy RPG, can be very frustrating at times but is a lot of fun to play. Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume. Strategy RPG where you can kill your party members to get special skills with lots of Norse mythology references. Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier. Anime style turn-based RPG with giant robots, cat men, cat girls, fish girls, robot men, robot women, KOS-MOS, and massive combo building. Also boobs. The World Ends With You. Negative: You need to use the stylus so it depends how bumpy your commute is. Pro: It's neatly broken up into days, you can change the difficulty level throughout the game and you can save anytime (outside of battle) making it ideal for commuting, it also contains my favourite battle system in any RPG. Don't be tempted by Mario and Luigi: Bowser's inside story, it's a great game but you have to blow into the mic so may not be the best game to play in public (unless you don't mind that of course). Excellent recommendations. I'd also add Dragon Quest V (if you can find it) and VI, Final Fantasy Tactics A2, and Etrian Odyssey III (if you like Strange Journey). I want badly to recommend Infinite Space as well, but like The World Ends with You it relies heavily on the stylus. Also, that Dragon Quest X news is pretty heartbreaking.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 5, 2011 6:54:52 GMT -5
Figured this was as good a place as any for this: Replaying through Final Fantasy IX again and, damn, this game really does hold up. Great mechanics, fun characters(Kuja might be my favorite villain in any game ever), and just an overall great experience. My only real complaint is the unforgivingly obscure collectibles sidequests. If you miss the wrong thing at the wrong time, you are f***ed on getting some of the better late game items. And don't even get me started on the Excalibur II's 12 hour time limit.
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Post by Chronos on Sept 5, 2011 7:13:21 GMT -5
Figured this was as good a place as any for this: Replaying through Final Fantasy IX again and, damn, this game really does hold up. Great mechanics, fun characters(Kuja might be my favorite villain in any game ever), and just an overall great experience. My only real complaint is the unforgivingly obscure collectibles sidequests. If you miss the wrong thing at the wrong time, you are f***ed on getting some of the better late game items. And don't even get me started on the Excalibur II's 12 hour time limit. Hahaha, the Excalibur II. A sword with such a strict time limit, you have to open the disc cover/eject the game and skip the FMVs to have any hope of getting it. On the "obscure collectibles" front, it also certainly doesn't help that some of the "hints" in the Stellazzio descriptions are vague at best. I still have bad memories about trying to fight Ozma without doing the nine spirits sidequest first, too. I never ever wanna see the Curse attack again...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 9:36:40 GMT -5
Figured this was as good a place as any for this: Replaying through Final Fantasy IX again and, damn, this game really does hold up. Great mechanics, fun characters(Kuja might be my favorite villain in any game ever), and just an overall great experience. My only real complaint is the unforgivingly obscure collectibles sidequests. If you miss the wrong thing at the wrong time, you are f***ed on getting some of the better late game items. And don't even get me started on the Excalibur II's 12 hour time limit. At least it had a great strategy guide you could use to make sure you don't screw up any of the sidequests.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Sept 5, 2011 11:48:08 GMT -5
If DQX is similar to PSO to PSO I'm all over that.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 5, 2011 13:58:25 GMT -5
There is a slight glimmer of hope with DQX, it seems that SE said at their DQ event yesterday that DQX will have a single player campaign mode. In other words, think of it as a console version of DQIX with a bigger emphasis on the online part.
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