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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 16:20:42 GMT -5
We've got more and more laxed in the way we punish children, and society continues to get worse and worse. Noone will convince me that the two are not related. I'm wondering, what do you use to qualify the claim that society is getting "worse and worse"? By what standards have you drawn this conclusion? It isn't that society is getting worse but that the ubiquity of news media means that you are only seeing the worst of it. Civil rights are improving, equality is constantly spreading and violent crime rates are dropping. I see this as progress, rather than regress or decline.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 16:23:12 GMT -5
See, THIS is why kids are such bigger assholes today honestly. This isn't unique to our generation; kids have always been out of line because children need to be influenced by their parents to act appropriately. I, nor any of my siblings, were struck by my parents and I have always respected them. Did I throw a few fits in my teenage years? Absolutely, who didn't?! And yet, my parents were able to discipline me without having to physically harm me.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jun 17, 2011 16:23:35 GMT -5
And people wonder why kids these days often think they can do whatever the hell they want See, THIS is why kids are such bigger assholes today honestly. As opposed to what time period exactly? If the only way you can teach a child a lesson is through some form of physical violence, f*** you, you should not be having kids. Granted, some parents do go too with their spanking, but since when does a pat or two on the butt equal physical violence?
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Jun 17, 2011 16:25:00 GMT -5
We've got more and more laxed in the way we punish children, and society continues to get worse and worse. Noone will convince me that the two are not related. I'm wondering, what do you use to qualify the claim that society is getting "worse and worse"? By what standards have you drawn this conclusion? It isn't that society is getting worse but that the ubiquity of news media means that you are only seeing the worst of it. Civil rights are improving, equality is constantly spreading and violent crime rates are dropping. I see this as progress, rather than regress or decline. Yea, if you say everything now is the same as it was even was 20 years ago, i'm not stepping into that arguement. You've already made up your mind, no sense wasting my time trying to change it. I'll just say that I live in a small community. Drugs/murder/rape/etc were a VERY seldom occurance here when I was a child. Now it is becoming commonplace. Yep, its the same as always.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Jun 17, 2011 16:25:31 GMT -5
Good. You do not hit children. Nevermind a f***ing TWO YEAR OLD. There is a complex of issues in your comment. I do agree that a two year old should not be hit, especially because they are too young to comprehend what they did. Most occasions of spankings usually occur to older children, and are calculated to not be that bad yet teach DO NOT DO THAT. There is a HUGE difference between spanking and abuse, as abuse is usually unpredictable and is done for any reason. Abuse is also done by a parent whose mental states are largely compromised, blurring the line between right and wrong. That is where the laws are made, because it's usually the people traumatized from ABUSE and not from general punishment for a wrong doing.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 17, 2011 16:25:48 GMT -5
That is just stupid. If I misbehaved as I child, I got smacked. It wasn't that hard a smack but it was hard enough to stop me doing whatever I did again. Smacking a misbehaving child is not abuse and anyone who doesn't know the difference between smacking and abusing a child shouldn't be having kids anyway. And I wasn't. Yet oddly enough I have yet to be charged with a crime, done hard drugs, or released a sex tape. Maybe there is more to good parenting than just hitting or not hitting. I agree with that. Smacking is just a small part of the whole thing but what I don't agree with is that smacking a child is seen by some as battery. Sure, in some cases it definitely can be but not in what I or any of my friends who had a similar upbringing experienced.
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Post by erisi236 on Jun 17, 2011 16:25:52 GMT -5
well it is Texas, shes lucky she didn't get the death penalty for the crime of appearing before a judge.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 16:25:56 GMT -5
As opposed to what time period exactly? If the only way you can teach a child a lesson is through some form of physical violence, f*** you, you should not be having kids. Granted, some parents do go too with their spanking, but since when does a pat or two on the butt equal physical violence? Well, in all fairness, intentionally striking another being is the definition of physical violence.
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Post by eagerbeaver on Jun 17, 2011 16:26:02 GMT -5
I guess its time to start psychologically punishing the kid.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jun 17, 2011 16:27:59 GMT -5
Granted, some parents do go too with their spanking, but since when does a pat or two on the butt equal physical violence? What would you call it? It is in its design solely supposed to cause pain, right?
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 16:29:41 GMT -5
I'm wondering, what do you use to qualify the claim that society is getting "worse and worse"? By what standards have you drawn this conclusion? It isn't that society is getting worse but that the ubiquity of news media means that you are only seeing the worst of it. Civil rights are improving, equality is constantly spreading and violent crime rates are dropping. I see this as progress, rather than regress or decline. Yea, if you say everything now is the same as it was even was 20 years ago, i'm not stepping into that arguement. You've already made up your mind, no sense wasting my time trying to change it. I'll just say that I live in a small community. Drugs/murder/rape/etc were a VERY seldom occurance here when I was a child. Now it is becoming commonplace. Yep, its the same as always. I didn't say that everything was the same as 20 years ago but instead that things are, arguably, better in many parts of the world. As I cited, civil rights and equality for minorities is slowly permeating throughout the western world (and otherwise) and violent crime rates are actually dropping. I have no idea where you live, so I obviously cannot comment but I don't think you can use your isolated community to make an overall universal judgment. Also, what society, specifically, are you referring to? The society in your community? The US society? Western society?
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 17, 2011 16:29:59 GMT -5
That is just stupid. If I misbehaved as I child, I got smacked. It wasn't that hard a smack but it was hard enough to stop me doing whatever I did again. Smacking a misbehaving child is not abuse and anyone who doesn't know the difference between smacking and abusing a child shouldn't be having kids anyway. And I wasn't. Yet oddly enough I have yet to be charged with a crime, done hard drugs, or released a sex tape. Maybe there is more to good parenting than just hitting or not hitting. This. I was spanked twice. All my Mom, Grandma, or Aunt had to do was tell me to cut the shit and I cut the shit.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jun 17, 2011 16:38:49 GMT -5
Granted, some parents do go too with their spanking, but since when does a pat or two on the butt equal physical violence? What would you call it? It is in its design solely supposed to cause pain, right? Yes, but I don't think it's extreme enough for someone to actually be put in handcuffs. And I certainly wouldn't call it abuse.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 17, 2011 16:38:55 GMT -5
Oh what the heck.
SPANKINGS FOR EVERYONE!
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jun 17, 2011 16:39:45 GMT -5
NO! I'VE BEEN A GOOD BOY! I PROMISE!
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 16:43:05 GMT -5
When we were kids, I got spankings while my brother didn't. And based on where we both are now... I'm really, really glad I'm the one who got the spankings.
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Post by rogers67 on Jun 17, 2011 16:44:08 GMT -5
![](http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/27/128775888568108590.jpg) How f'in ridiculous can you get! SMH.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jun 17, 2011 16:47:43 GMT -5
What would you call it? It is in its design solely supposed to cause pain, right? Yes, but I don't think it's extreme enough for someone to actually be put in handcuffs. And I certainly wouldn't call it abuse. Yeah, handcuffs are excessive. And five years is really too much. I'm not going to call it abuse either. I'm just saying that people using it as a primary means of discipline and it being as universally accepted as it is just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jun 17, 2011 16:51:41 GMT -5
Gonzales? That explains the overreaction with the sentence. What does this mean?
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 17, 2011 16:54:46 GMT -5
Oh what the heck. SPANKINGS FOR EVERYONE! I like where this is going ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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