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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 19:16:57 GMT -5
I just wish people would realize that "Not spanking kids" IS NOT "giving kids free reign to do whatever they want." There's a number of ways to discipline a child without using violent methods. Personally, I wish people would just realize that kids are different and there's no single way to raise them. Don't want to spank your kids? Got a different way that works for your child? Awesome. But respect that YOUR way isn't everyone's way, and that what works for your child won't necessarily work for everyone else's. Most times, a parent is going to know his or her kid far better than a stranger whose only interest in them is to push an agenda.
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Post by MCMGM on Jun 17, 2011 19:17:53 GMT -5
I was making a "court system takes extremes on another minority" joke. May I ask how it is the court system picking on a minority. From the look of the case, all parties involved are Hispanic. The judge that ruled on this case is named José Longoria. I guess that your racial prejudice argument would be more valid if the residing judge was Nathanael Theodore Wellington III, but it is a Hispanic name ruling on a Hispanic name. Honestly, why does the name have anything to do with the case. It seems that you are trying to find a way to force racial issues on an issue that has no color lines. You're reading into something that I never said. Again, it was a JOKE. That's it. I forget my sense of humor doesn't always translate well over the internet, so I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Wasn't the intention at all.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 19:19:11 GMT -5
I just wish people would realize that "Not spanking kids" IS NOT "giving kids free reign to do whatever they want." There's a number of ways to discipline a child without using violent methods. Personally, I wish people would just realize that kids are different and there's no single way to raise them. Don't want to spank your kids? Got a different way that works for your child? Awesome. But respect that YOUR way isn't everyone's way, and that what works for your child won't necessarily work for everyone else's. Most times, a parent is going to know his or her kid far better than a stranger whose only interest in them is to push an agenda. Is trying to promote not hitting your child as a form of discipline really an "agenda"?
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 19:24:16 GMT -5
Personally, I wish people would just realize that kids are different and there's no single way to raise them. Don't want to spank your kids? Got a different way that works for your child? Awesome. But respect that YOUR way isn't everyone's way, and that what works for your child won't necessarily work for everyone else's. Most times, a parent is going to know his or her kid far better than a stranger whose only interest in them is to push an agenda. Is trying to promote not hitting your child as a form of discipline really an "agenda"? If you're trying to force your ways on other people because you've decided that your way is the only way, then yeah. It is.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 19:26:30 GMT -5
Is trying to promote not hitting your child as a form of discipline really an "agenda"? If you're trying to force your ways on other people because you've decided that your way is the only way, then yeah. It is. Who is trying to force not striking your children? By the way, you cannot use this isolated incident to prove that an "agenda" exists.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 17, 2011 20:02:32 GMT -5
I just wish people would realize that "Not spanking kids" IS NOT "giving kids free reign to do whatever they want." There's a number of ways to discipline a child without using violent methods. Personally, I wish people would just realize that kids are different and there's no single way to raise them. Don't want to spank your kids? Got a different way that works for your child? Awesome. But respect that YOUR way isn't everyone's way, and that what works for your child won't necessarily work for everyone else's. Most times, a parent is going to know his or her kid far better than a stranger whose only interest in them is to push an agenda. Or maybe the parent is too impulsive/lazy/stupid to think of any other method to discipline a child but "smack." I wonder how many parents who go right to spanking even bother to think of other methods of discipline besides that. I personally think that attitude speaks far more of their own shortcomings as a parent. There's no way in hell I can respect anyone who advocates a "spank first" method of raising their children.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 20:05:48 GMT -5
If you're trying to force your ways on other people because you've decided that your way is the only way, then yeah. It is. Who is trying to force not striking your children? By the way, you cannot use this isolated incident to prove that an "agenda" exists. These groups who will send the police to arrest you and take away your kid for spanking your child are trying to force us to not spank our children. And if you don't believe such groups and their agenda exist, then there's really nothing more that I can say to you.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 20:10:15 GMT -5
Personally, I wish people would just realize that kids are different and there's no single way to raise them. Don't want to spank your kids? Got a different way that works for your child? Awesome. But respect that YOUR way isn't everyone's way, and that what works for your child won't necessarily work for everyone else's. Most times, a parent is going to know his or her kid far better than a stranger whose only interest in them is to push an agenda. Or maybe the parent is too impulsive/lazy/stupid to think of any other method to discipline a child but "smack." I wonder how many parents who go right to spanking even bother to think of other methods of discipline besides that. I personally think that attitude speaks far more of their own shortcomings as a parent. There's no way in hell I can respect anyone who advocates a "spank first" method of raising their children. This is another problem. "If you spank your kid, then you obviously do nothing but spank your kid." You want people to understand and accept that, while you don't use spanking, you're not giving your kid a free pass to do whatever they want... right? Then how about returning the favor and not assuming that every parent who spanks does nothing but spank?
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Post by rrm15 on Jun 17, 2011 20:10:54 GMT -5
Completely and totally f***ing ridiculous.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 17, 2011 20:11:48 GMT -5
If they do things other than spank and those things work, then why bother to spank in the first place?
And no, I can never respect a method of discipline that includes physical violence. I don't care if it works. I just think it's barbaric.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 20:19:25 GMT -5
If they do things other than spank and those things work, then why bother to spank in the first place? And no, I can never respect a method of discipline that includes physical violence. I don't care if it works. I just think it's barbaric. They don't always work. Send me to my room? They tried it; didn't work. Deprive me of toys/tv/games? They tried it; didn't work. Lectures? They tried it; didn't work. No going to my friends' houses? They tried it; didn't work. Tan my hide on occasion? I'm a good little boy from here on out. Again, kids are not one homogenous hive-mind anymore than the IWC is. Different stuff works for different kids. Trying to take the route that "Well, this worked/didn't work for me, so everyone should/should not do this" is a mistake.
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Post by nonrev on Jun 17, 2011 20:21:44 GMT -5
Who is trying to force not striking your children? By the way, you cannot use this isolated incident to prove that an "agenda" exists. These groups who will send the police to arrest you and take away your kid for spanking your child are trying to force us to not spank our children. And if you don't believe such groups and their agenda exist, then there's really nothing more that I can say to you. I'm not going to speak about whoever "these groups" are but I just want to highlight what has yet to be brought up by anyone From this highlighted information I can gather two important points. 1) Somewhere along the way the mother lost custody of her children. All three of her children. It doesn't say how or why but it says that their guardians are their father's mother. 2) The legal guardian of the children probably don't want the mother to regain custody which leads me to conclude is why she reported her to the police after the hospital visit (or maybe it was hospital procedure to notify the police when an injured two year old is brought to them, I honestly don't know). In the end she most likely will not regain custody of her children due to this incident as she has just pled guilty to committing a felony. I'm not an advocate of spanking, but the issue here is not about spanking. It is about corporal punishment to a child without consent from their legal guardians. That is a crime.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 20:24:27 GMT -5
These groups who will send the police to arrest you and take away your kid for spanking your child are trying to force us to not spank our children. And if you don't believe such groups and their agenda exist, then there's really nothing more that I can say to you. I'm not going to speak about whoever "these groups" are but I just want to highlight what has yet to be brought up by anyone From this highlighted information I can gather two important points. 1) Somewhere along the way the mother lost custody of her children. All three of her children. It doesn't say how or why but it says that their guardians are their father's mother. 2) The legal guardian of the children probably don't want the mother to regain custody which leads me to conclude is why she reported her to the police after the hospital visit (or maybe it was hospital procedure to notify the police when an injured two year old is brought to them, I honestly don't know). In the end she most likely will not regain custody of her children due to this incident as she has just pled guilty to committing a felony. I'm not an advocate of spanking, but the issue here is not about spanking. It is about corporal punishment to a child without consent from their legal guardians. That is a crime. Chances are high that she lost custody of her kids because she was arrested for spanking, rather than her not having had custody of them to begin with. At least, that's what happened in my neck of the woods when a group popped up and had people arrested for spanking. They lost their kids and had to take a class and earn the approval of the childrens-advocacy group that had them arrested in order to get their kids back.
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Post by diegorivera on Jun 17, 2011 20:40:39 GMT -5
If they do things other than spank and those things work, then why bother to spank in the first place? And no, I can never respect a method of discipline that includes physical violence. I don't care if it works. I just think it's barbaric. And I don't care if you think it's barbaric. I'm looking for what works. I pay the bills, cook the food, clean the house, and generally spend time and money making sure this kid doesn't die because he/she is a child and completely incapable of doing any of that for him/herself. They need to not be a hindrance to my ability to keep them alive. Since they are children and thus, not knowledgeable and often illogical due to their minds being underdeveloped, they need a simple, straightforward lesson that teaches them not to be a hindrance. Words don't always work; they don't often hold any sway to a being that doesn't have the mental capabilities to understand what you are saying or why it should be heeded. Pain is easy to understand and just about every creature with even a semblance of reason knows they don't like pain. If the child relates the pain of a spanking with, say, being told repeatedly not to play in traffic, little Timmy or Suzie will probably think twice about running into the highway should the opportunity present itself. Don't mistake me, I understand that all children, for a variety of reasons, should be spanked. I also understand that plenty of so-called parents take things way too far and physically abuse their children. It's a delicate balance but I've seen plenty of kids who had perfectly decent parents and simply do not respond to non-physical reprimands and punishments. They don't get it and trust me, they never will. I'd much rather be a barbarian than a failed parent. I'm fine with alternatives and I definitely believe in restraint, but if after talking to the kid over-and-over, taking away all his toys, turning off the TV, video games and internet and sending him to his room still doesn't stop him from playing with matches, then by all means, spank the little s**t.
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Post by Orange on Jun 17, 2011 20:47:20 GMT -5
And people wonder why kids these days often think they can do whatever the hell they want See, THIS is why kids are such bigger assholes today honestly. As opposed to what time period exactly? If the only way you can teach a child a lesson is through some form of physical violence, f*** you, you should not be having kids. To what time period? EVERYBODY knows that the time periods we all grew up in were the best ever! There were no bad kids, no crime, no bad entertainment, it was f***ing paradise! Seriously, this one incident doesn't mean the end is near or that "society is getting worse" or the FAR too overused "kids today suck" I love when people come into these threads (not everybody) to bitch at the way society works today, find me a time period where everything was perfect.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 17, 2011 21:03:39 GMT -5
Just to make sure I interpretted everything right, I am still allowed to spank my girlfriend right?
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Post by Cyno on Jun 17, 2011 21:05:52 GMT -5
Just to make sure I interpretted everything right, I am still allowed to spank my girlfriend right? If spanking a significant other is wrong, I don't wanna be right! Well, unless they don't want me to. Then that's sexual assault. >_>;
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 21:08:44 GMT -5
Just to make sure I interpretted everything right, I am still allowed to spank my girlfriend right? If spanking a significant other is wrong, I don't wanna be right! Well, unless they don't want me to. Then that's sexual assault. >_>; Amen to that! Or, amen to that until the girlfriend wants to spank you in return, at least...
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Post by H-Fist on Jun 17, 2011 21:10:51 GMT -5
Good. You do not hit children. Nevermind a f***ing TWO YEAR OLD. The "two years-old at the time" part is what has me on this side in the deal. Spanking a two year old is akin to rubbing a puppy's nose in its crap on the carpet. There isn't any abstract reasoning going on to allow the toddler/puppy to connect the "infraction" with the punishment. I'm against corporal punishment generally, but understand exceptions can be necessary. But a two-year-old can't fit the exceptions. Should this woman be a convicted felon for this? I mean, this is Texas we're talking about. So it's no surprise.
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Post by El Hijo del Havoc on Jun 17, 2011 21:22:31 GMT -5
Good on the judge, although I do think this is a private matter
And I wasn't spanked as a kid and I turned out pretty good. Just a couple minutes of yelling from my parents was enough to make me learn the error of my ways. Emotional punishment > Physical punishment
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