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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 17, 2011 16:58:46 GMT -5
Oh....bull.....shit...... That's just wonderful. Kids can't be spanked now.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 17:03:39 GMT -5
Oh....bull.....s***...... That's just wonderful. Kids can't be spanked now. How did you get that from this story? This is an isolated incident in one state of America. Hardly equates to a universal ban, does it? There will never be a universal ban anyhow because it's something that would be impossible to police. As you can see from this thread alone, people have their own interpretations as to what "abuse" is and thus it would be a complete waste of time (not to mention tax-payers money) to bring to court every parent guilty of striking their child. Instead, I would hope that parents understand that there are non-physical avenues in which you can discipline your child.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 17, 2011 17:05:35 GMT -5
Oh what the heck. SPANKINGS FOR EVERYONE! I like where this is going ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 17, 2011 17:07:04 GMT -5
Oh....bull.....s***...... That's just wonderful. Kids can't be spanked now. How did you get that from this story? This is an isolated incident in one state of America. Hardly equates to a universal ban, does it? There will never be a universal ban anyhow because it's something that would be impossible to police. As you can see from this thread alone, people have their own interpretations as to what "abuse" is and thus it would be a complete waste of time (not to mention tax-payers money) to bring to court every parent guilty of striking their child. Instead, I would hope that parents understand that there are non-physical avenues in which you can discipline your child. How did I get that from the story? It is at the top of the article itself. See? The judge said you don't spank kids.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 17:08:30 GMT -5
How did you get that from this story? This is an isolated incident in one state of America. Hardly equates to a universal ban, does it? There will never be a universal ban anyhow because it's something that would be impossible to police. As you can see from this thread alone, people have their own interpretations as to what "abuse" is and thus it would be a complete waste of time (not to mention tax-payers money) to bring to court every parent guilty of striking their child. Instead, I would hope that parents understand that there are non-physical avenues in which you can discipline your child. How did I get that from the story? It is at the top of the article itself. See? The judge said you don't spank kids. One judge, in one state telling one woman that you cannot spank your kids equates to nobody being allowed to spank their kids anymore?
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 17, 2011 17:12:15 GMT -5
That's one judge though Koda, not the entire judicial system.
I got spanked as a kid. I'm alright (for the most part), but I don't spank my kid. He's autistic, and I do think there are better methods out there today that don't require it. Where things get bad are parents who actually abuse the child (mental is just as bad as physical) or parents who don't discipline at all.
People will have their own thoughts on the matter, and I respect them, but we live in a world of gray, not black and white.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 17, 2011 17:20:01 GMT -5
I know it is just one judge, guys. Still the fact that she was even taken to court AT ALL disturbs me.
It gives wise ass kids the wrong idea. Yes, it was one judge in one state, but still, it happened, so there is a chance it'll happen again. In another state with another judge? Maybe, maybe not, but at least we know there is at least one judge in the US willing to actually go through with a case about a parent spanking their kid and give an actual ruling on it.
One judge is one judge too many.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Jun 17, 2011 17:22:43 GMT -5
I really wouldn't be too concerned about this.
When I was a kid, there was a child-advocacy group in my neck of the woods that had some people arrested for spanking their kids, but most people just ignored them. I'm sure most of the people who live near where this took place are going to do the same.
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Post by MCMGM on Jun 17, 2011 17:34:24 GMT -5
Gonzales? That explains the overreaction with the sentence. What does this mean? I was making a "court system takes extremes on another minority" joke.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jun 17, 2011 17:49:15 GMT -5
...Are you people missing that little tidbit about the child being two years old?
You don't f***ing strike a two-year-old child, I'm sorry.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 17, 2011 17:59:43 GMT -5
...Are you people missing that little tidbit about the child being two years old? You don't f***ing strike a two-year-old child, I'm sorry. Yes, a two year old is too young to be smacked. I think most people are saying what is stupid is the "you can't spank children" statement.
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Post by Jingus on Jun 17, 2011 18:08:20 GMT -5
What is the proper age limit for spanking, then? Psychologically speaking, it works better on younger kids. A toddler can't be reasoned with in an articulate fashion. They're essentially like house pets at that age. Trying standard "go to your room" discipline on them is like trying to do the same thing with a cat. They're just too young and undeveloped and ignorant to understand how the human world works.
That being said, the problem with spanking younger kids is the possibility of injury. Their small bodies are easily harmed by things that an older child or adult would shrug off. Remember how when you were a small child, it always seemed like your parents made your bath water much too hot or much too cold? A young kid is much more sensitive to things like that, and it's all too easy to accidentally forget and hurt them seriously. You can kill a baby just by shaking the damn thing, after all. So if you're gonna spank a young child, you need a lot of self-control.
On the legal aspect, it's a gray area. The law in America works on a precedence-based system; one judge's ruling in the past can be used to determine another judge's ruling in the future. In practice it doesn't always work like that and judges disagree all the time, but it could theoretically happen that this court case could contribute to future cases with similar outcomes.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 17, 2011 18:22:03 GMT -5
Spanking is okay, but not necessary once the child can understand things like privileges, and losing them.
Taking away the video games worked with me from a very young age.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jun 17, 2011 18:25:08 GMT -5
It is still legal to spank monkeys though right? If not I'm going away for a long time...
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Post by Cyno on Jun 17, 2011 18:30:37 GMT -5
I don't believe in spanking at all and I'd never do it to my hypothetical kids. I just wish people would realize that "Not spanking kids" IS NOT "giving kids free reign to do whatever they want." There's a number of ways to discipline a child without using violent methods.
I was spanked once or twice as a little kid but my parents thought it was too harsh. They disciplined me in other ways and for the most part I was a really good kid anyway. I didn't need the threat of a spank to behave.
Though I don't think someone should be arrested for it unless they cross the line into abuse. For a lot of younger children (toddlers and younger), spanking CAN cross that line as the body's a lot more fragile at that age. Kids at that age also don't really know what they're doing yet and very rarely retain memories or lessons from that age.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 17, 2011 18:32:37 GMT -5
I look at very young children as being like cats. You can't reason them into behaving. If little Jimmy reaches for an open flame or wants to run into traffic, you need to get the message across clearly.
So....squirt bottles to the face I guess?
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Post by eagerbeaver on Jun 17, 2011 18:36:45 GMT -5
I was making a "court system takes extremes on another minority" joke. May I ask how it is the court system picking on a minority. From the look of the case, all parties involved are Hispanic. The judge that ruled on this case is named José Longoria. I guess that your racial prejudice argument would be more valid if the residing judge was Nathanael Theodore Wellington III, but it is a Hispanic name ruling on a Hispanic name. Honestly, why does the name have anything to do with the case. It seems that you are trying to find a way to force racial issues on an issue that has no color lines.
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Post by Jingus on Jun 17, 2011 18:40:44 GMT -5
Totally off topic, but when I first saw your name, I thought it said " Stiff The Beaver". Which certainly gave me a bit of a start. But your point is right, race appeared to have nothing to do with this case.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 17, 2011 18:42:14 GMT -5
I agree. Good decision from the judge.
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Post by Zero Orchestra on Jun 17, 2011 18:50:04 GMT -5
I know it is just one judge, guys. Still the fact that she was even taken to court AT ALL disturbs me. It gives wise ass kids the wrong idea. Yes, it was one judge in one state, but still, it happened, so there is a chance it'll happen again. In another state with another judge? Maybe, maybe not, but at least we know there is at least one judge in the US willing to actually go through with a case about a parent spanking their kid and give an actual ruling on it. One judge is one judge too many. The case wouldn't have been taken to the court had the Grandmother not alerted the authorities concerning the bruising/red marks that were on the child. Generally when a child is spanked, such incidents are not reported and thus the police are blind to the situation. Leaving lasting red-marks on a two year old is horrendous and the woman should be ashamed. I do think that she should have had a slap on the wrist and let go, but still, people should not be entitled to strike their children as they see fit, especially when you consider how young the child in question was.
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