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Post by hitman8 on Aug 18, 2011 17:04:00 GMT -5
I think Khali is pretty respected (as a person) from what I can gather personally. Have a look at these photo's All I see is a few work buddies hanging out. Also does anyone remember the night Edge retired and the guys backstage lined up for him?? I distinctly remember Edge and Khali having some sort of buddy handshake going on. If JBL & Finlay had done something so low Khali, I suspect that the likes of Edge, Jericho and Orton would have had something to say about that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 17:05:58 GMT -5
I love how they look around for someone to rape then choose Khali.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 18, 2011 17:33:17 GMT -5
There's a total difference a total difference between ribbing, hazing (though the line between those two can be anywhere from apparent to nonexistent) and wrestler's court.
As mentioned above, Undertaker typically presides over it in WWE. Not exactly a guy with a reputation as a bully. Raven talked about it one of the Secrets of the Ring DVDs and said if you find yourself in wrestler's court, odds are it's because you screwed up and breached etiquette in some way. He said that wrestler's court is generally drummed up over BS reasons only if business is way down and morale is bad.
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 18, 2011 18:08:37 GMT -5
OK, ignoring the outright outlandishness and unrealistic nature of your "story"... Dude, Khali isn't as dumb as you may think, and I am sure he knows about sexual harassment laws in the US. What you are describing (which is all in your head, btw) is a textbook SH case that would get Bradshaw not only fired, but jail time. And to stop you before you say "Khali isn't from here/doesn't speak the language," do you really think he doesn't have someone who helps him with business practices (lawyer/agent)? Plus, Khali has wrestled elsewhere, and has acted. So I doubt being sodomized would be worth keeping your job. I haven't even gotten to how liked Khali has always been in the locker room, and how Bradshaw (who by this time was retired with a bad back, which to me would make him LESS likely to go after Khali, who was still good enough physically to go in the ring, as he does today) would risk jail time for this, not to mention losing any chance of any outside WWE business he may have had/does have. Plus, we have no confirmation that he has sodomized or "soaped up" anyone. Just urban legends and rumor. I think you are letting your JBL hate (and your imagination) go a wee bit to far. Dude, I'm not saying it happened. I'm just saying it's not crazy and implausible because Khali is very tall, which is what some people were saying. If whoever originally heard it and posted it into this thread made it up, fine, and we shouldn't send JBL to jail from mere rumors, but we shouldn't think it's impossible. It may be that JBL and Finlay and Batista and everyone else who's been rumored to sexually harass/assault people backstage are all innocent. But, it may be that they just totally always get away with it because of the "boys will be boys!" atmosphere, and because there's a social expectation that veterans and those in authority should and will do whatever they want to embarrass or haze new and less powerful people. And, to tie it back to the original point, that's exactly what wrestler's court is all about, too. Are you guys seriously not at all appalled when you hear about wrestler's court getting Chad Dick fired when he complained about his harassment, or when you hear about them calling a session solely to make Melina cry publicly? This stuff might not be true, but if it is, Jesus Christ. There's only one problem with the Chad Dick firing - sexual harassment policies and laws generally also protect against reprisal actions; indeed, there are protections now for "whistle-blowers" from any retaliatory actions. The only way to keep "wrestler's court" plausibly deniable is for those participating to refrain from imposing sanctions that result in a poisonous work environment. If it exists at all anymore in WWE, the corporates know about it and are keeping it on a very tight leash to cover the company's ass. The last thing they need post-Benoit is for such a custom, and particularly Benoit's role in it, to be known publicly. EDIT: The interpretation of "wrestler's court" least likely to be true of WWE will be the one that gets the most attention; they'll get someone on TV who hasn't been inside a WWE locker room in a decade (if ever) to describe hazing rituals that would make the 1980s moral panic over ritualistic child abuse seem tame. The worst abuses of this system have probably been eliminated with the deaths, departures or retirements of those among whom it was most strictly enforced. If there remains a code among the talent, its focus, we as fans would hope, may be the same degree of etiquette to be encouraged everywhere.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Aug 18, 2011 18:12:00 GMT -5
With guys like Taker, Holly, and JBL gone, I wonder who's running the Court now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 18:13:05 GMT -5
With guys like Taker, Holly, and JBL gone, I wonder who's running the Court now. I like to imagine that it's Truth since he's older than just about everyone else, and him as a judge is just too funny an image to shake out of my head.
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Post by DarBucks on Aug 18, 2011 18:32:47 GMT -5
With guys like Taker, Holly, and JBL gone, I wonder who's running the Court now. Probably Triple H now that he's back on the road.
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Post by machomuta on Aug 18, 2011 18:38:17 GMT -5
I think we have no right to say whether it's got a place in the business. As paying customers, I think we do. Why? It is pretty irrelevant to the paying customers.
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Post by nWoElite on Aug 18, 2011 18:39:44 GMT -5
They have the same type of thing in baseball, they call it Kangaroo Court. I've heard Hawk Harrelson mention it before. It's not my place to say whether it's right, or wrong, because I'm not a wrestler. And what's the alternative. Every little slight/action, someone runs to Vince to tell? I think this is a perfectly good way to police things. Now the hazing is a completely different thing. I agree with this man. Wow, Im impressed that many of you feel that this is hazing and childish and none of you who stand against this would put up with it. I'd love to see where you all stand as far as fraternal orders, or are some of you various lodge members?
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 18, 2011 18:44:31 GMT -5
Even the military has their own version of unofficial code of conduct and policing. If you suppose to trust someone with your life and well being, you better make sure they understand right or wrong.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Aug 18, 2011 19:08:42 GMT -5
With guys like Taker, Holly, and JBL gone, I wonder who's running the Court now. Probably Triple H now that he's back on the road. But he's being groomed to be the next boss. Wouldn't it be a liability if he's associated with an unofficial backstage policing faction?
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 18, 2011 20:10:26 GMT -5
As paying customers, I think we do. Why? It is pretty irrelevant to the paying customers. Actually, it is relevant, if the result of such a system is a lack of quality in the product or a lack of regard for its consumers (i.e., us.) If fans are made to feel expendable or unworthy of what we're seeing in the ring, I suspect that the talent is giving us the attitude of "You haven't a clue what we do for you peons; you can't possibly appreciate our monumental and ultimately pointless efforts", perhaps because they've just taken a Husky Harris-esque caning just to prove to somebody that they've "got what it takes." While shoot interviews are often educational, the tone in many of them is deeply contemptuous towards the fans; some wrestlers who do them display a level of resentment for which fans should not be made to feel responsible. In the past year and a half that I've been drawn back in watching WWE, I didn't get that vibe from any of them. Maybe it's all just lip service, but WWE's talent, every last one of them, play to the fans in some way and draw us into what's going on. This is good for business; supporting the fanbase by offering a fuller experience tends to bring in more money. It seems deeper than that, however. The level of engagement and satisfaction demonstrated by WWE's talent suggests a degree of comfort in a professional environment. Things seem to have changed in WWE; if there is a "wrestler's court" in WWE, as I said, it's not used to nearly the extent or for nearly the number of "offenses" as it may have been in the past.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Aug 18, 2011 21:36:34 GMT -5
To say wrestlers court is hazing, to me anyway, is not really true.
Hazing is "paying your dues" or making someone do some humiliation/painful act as an initiation into the group.
Wrestler's Court (and Kangaroo Court in baseball) is for those already PART of the group. Again, it is used to settle minor disputes or breaches in ettiquette, often in a not super serious way (buying a round for everone, paying for the next hotel room, etc.).
And what I mean by group isn't the organization. I mean as part of the social group.
Something like wrestlers court probably happens in every work place. Bill screwed up at work, but rather than get him in trouble, we all helped fix it, and in return, he had to buy lunch for everyone. To me, this is a similar situation. Not identical, but similar.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Aug 18, 2011 22:04:22 GMT -5
To say wrestlers court is hazing, to me anyway, is not really true. Hazing is "paying your dues" or making someone do some humiliation/painful act as an initiation into the group. Wrestler's Court (and Kangaroo Court in baseball) is for those already PART of the group. Again, it is used to settle minor disputes or breaches in ettiquette, often in a not super serious way (buying a round for everone, paying for the next hotel room, etc.). And what I mean by group isn't the organization. I mean as part of the social group. Something like wrestlers court probably happens in every work place. Bill screwed up at work, but rather than get him in trouble, we all helped fix it, and in return, he had to buy lunch for everyone. To me, this is a similar situation. Not identical, but similar. I don't think anyone has a problem with some way of solving minor problems. but that's not the issue. The problem is that any in-system screwed-upness is strengthened, because breaking the potentially nonsensical rules (like paying to fly first class when you "aren't on that level") now has an explicit, direct punishment, handed down from people who should be your peers but have declared themselves your superiors. Also, there's the reason anyone brought up hazing: The potential for abusing the power is enormous. If you haze, and you're also on wrestler's court, you're going to use wrestler's court to haze. There's also just, well, how CARNY it all is. Wrestlers are adults. Why can't they just act like you and Bill in your example? Why have this ridiculous fake trial?
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Post by DarBucks on Aug 19, 2011 6:22:31 GMT -5
To say wrestlers court is hazing, to me anyway, is not really true. Hazing is "paying your dues" or making someone do some humiliation/painful act as an initiation into the group. Wrestler's Court (and Kangaroo Court in baseball) is for those already PART of the group. Again, it is used to settle minor disputes or breaches in ettiquette, often in a not super serious way (buying a round for everone, paying for the next hotel room, etc.). And what I mean by group isn't the organization. I mean as part of the social group. Something like wrestlers court probably happens in every work place. Bill screwed up at work, but rather than get him in trouble, we all helped fix it, and in return, he had to buy lunch for everyone. To me, this is a similar situation. Not identical, but similar. I don't think anyone has a problem with some way of solving minor problems. but that's not the issue. The problem is that any in-system screwed-upness is strengthened, because breaking the potentially nonsensical rules (like paying to fly first class when you "aren't on that level") now has an explicit, direct punishment, handed down from people who should be your peers but have declared themselves your superiors. Also, there's the reason anyone brought up hazing: The potential for abusing the power is enormous. If you haze, and you're also on wrestler's court, you're going to use wrestler's court to haze. There's also just, well, how CARNY it all is. Wrestlers are adults. Why can't they just act like you and Bill in your example? Why have this ridiculous fake trial? Jesus, you're going to stick with this aren't you? Look, it's a common thing in sports as well. We do kangaroo court after a rugby match. But I suppose we're being immature goons? You mess up in the match, you go to kangaroo court. Just like with WWE, you mess up backstage (non-serious offences) you go to wrestler's court. Or should management get themselves involved in every niggling little issue?
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Post by baresolid on Aug 19, 2011 6:40:36 GMT -5
I'm all for wrestler's court, hazing, stiffing, toughman contests, beer drinking contests and all the rest of it. Now that most of these things have died down in the wrestling business, a lot of the guys at the top of the chain don't seem like legit 'tough guys' as those in bygone eras were. JBL is my hero, because I legitimately fear what would happen to me if I got in a fight with him, or said a cross word to him.
I can't say I fear the Miz in the same way.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 19, 2011 7:17:57 GMT -5
I'm all for wrestler's court, hazing, stiffing, toughman contests, beer drinking contests and all the rest of it. Now that most of these things have died down in the wrestling business, a lot of the guys at the top of the chain don't seem like legit 'tough guys' as those in bygone eras were. JBL is my hero, because I legitimately fear what would happen to me if I got in a fight with him, or said a cross word to him. I can't say I fear the Miz in the same way. Why is it you seem to turn up in threads just to bash The Miz, even when it's not relevant?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 7:21:21 GMT -5
In baseball, the players set up a little informal get-together if you didn't do your job correctly. You failed to get the sacrifice down to send the runner to third, you didn't "get back" at a certain batter because their pitcher plunked your best hitter, you were late for batting practice, etc. At worst, it's a small fine or you have to buy dinner for the team.
Some teams use it as an incentive plan. All the money gathered up in court is given to the guy the team votes its MVP as a goodwill gesture, the money goes to a charity of the captain's choice. Or it's given out in increments, maybe that guy who doesn't play all that often had a good stretch and it's worth a reward.
Based on what I heard, wrestling is not that much different. I seen somebody brought up the Bob Holly vs. Mick Foley/Al Snow story. When Chris Jericho wrestled in Germany, it was understood that the guy who was in the worst match of the show had to buy a case of beer for everybody in the locker room. Jericho's first two nights, he had to buy the beer. The third night, he walked in with a case already in tow and the crew laughed. Chris said he was not going to pay up because he intended on not being the worst. It's something that's just accepted as a part of building a little camaraderie among the guys. You would rather get a free beer than have to supply for the crew, so it helped you work a little harder. You accept your fate by paying a little fine and go about your business. Then, the guys will think you're alright and willing to be part of a team.
I decline on the hazing part of it. That's completely different.
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Post by s l i k on Aug 19, 2011 8:21:57 GMT -5
Apparently they used to bet on how long it would take to make a diva cry in wrestler's court. It was London and Kendrick who said that, when they would get woken up at 3AM for wrestlers court about something Melina did (can't remember what, it's in their shoot interview though) and they would bet how long it took her to cry, usually not very long. My guess is under 5 minutes.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 19, 2011 8:48:41 GMT -5
While I'll give people the benefit of the doubt that he likely is a bad hazer, I'm pretty damn certain the JBL rapes never happened, seeing as he hasn't been blackballed from the company. Maybe that's just me being naive, but those stories sound more like badly conceived angles than probable incidents.
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