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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 14, 2012 17:50:35 GMT -5
Meh, people on here are tired of him because he's holding people back that are just like him. Somewhat entertaining acts, which will get their balls cut off once they get near the glass ceiling. Except that really he's not holding anyone back because he's basically just a job-boy for the ME'ers right now. And then there's the people that think he's stopping a Curt Hawkins push or something. Hold your tongue! Curt Hawkins is gonna bring about the next boom period, mark my words! ;D I should note that, if Vince and The Game so much as thought the kid couldn't hang, let alone harbored any actual hatred, he wouldn't have even been on television. Instead, the guy retained the WWE Championship in the main event of WrestleMania. For all intents and purposes, that alone proves they didn't say it, if it was ever said in the first place. Hell if Trips really hated him that much, Awesome Truth wouldn't have been the reason he was "fired". They would have found someone else to give that honor to. And the topper, if they viewed Miz as a plague on wrestling, they wouldn't have had he and Truth wrestle The Rock in his first match back. That's the ultimate vote of confidence, it's The Rock's first match back, they're building to Mania, and they trusted Miz and Truth enough to face Rock. I can buy Trips being mad and yelling at Miz for the R Truth botch. But Miz also lasted over 40 minutes in the Rumble, and had a good showing in the Chamber match. Even during his losing streak, he's getting a lot of time on Raw.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Mar 14, 2012 17:54:11 GMT -5
I've seen this quote thrown around a lot since hating the Miz became the cool thing to do.... I don't agree with this for the most part. Are people not allowed to change their minds anymore? As for the topic, no clue where that phrase came from, I mean sure, the Miz is pretty bad, but that is some serious hyperbole. Oh we're all allowed to change our minds. I've changed my mind about countless wrestlers in the past it just seems like Miz hate became a real bandwagon thing to do since Wrestlemania XXVII. I also agree with the poster that said that the amount of Miz hate is unsettling. It really is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 18:05:35 GMT -5
It sounds like something I wrote in jest that got picked up by others...
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Post by Shaun2k5 on Mar 14, 2012 18:07:16 GMT -5
The amount of Miz hate on the internet is downright stupid. OK he's not the best worker but some people here act like he murders children and steals kittens. He makes mistakes and has a long career ahead of him.
I don't get the level of hate.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Mar 14, 2012 18:23:50 GMT -5
I've only seen it written by one person via sig, and it seems to have been picked up on by others. Don't see how people can believe it when there are much worse wrestlers on the roster.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 14, 2012 18:24:31 GMT -5
The amount of Miz hate on the internet is downright stupid. OK he's not the best worker but some people here act like he murders children and steals kittens. He makes mistakes and has a long career ahead of him. I don't get the level of hate. this
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Post by breakdownthewalls on Mar 14, 2012 18:56:07 GMT -5
I've only seen it written by one person via sig, and it seems to have been picked up on by others. Don't see how people can believe it when there are much worse wrestlers on the roster. Are there really much worse wrestlers, though? Khali maybe. I would have said Otunga a while ago, but I think he's surpassed Miz at this point. That's it. Literally everyone else on the male roster, including Hornswoggle, can out wrestle Miz. Plus he may not be a murderer, but he very well could have been after that R Truth incident. And let me see if I can find the place I found the quote in my sig. I saw it attributed to Vince McMahon in a shareholders' press conference.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 14, 2012 20:11:05 GMT -5
I'm pretty darn certain its something that was said at the stockholder meeting; in fact it was part of a larger quote:
"Miz is a plague on wrestling. He is responsible for the economic downturn, lower PPV buys, failure of the WWE film division, causing cancer, throwing peanuts at children with allergies, and laughing at the movie Jack and Jill."
Vince was really on a tangent that day.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 14, 2012 20:33:15 GMT -5
I find it remarkable that people "don't get the hate" especially when you make a thread, that it's going to get both those who defend and criticize Miz. Also, there's been a lot of threads made by the same people covering the same points as before...so it's usually the same people saying that. For the record, I've never heard the "plague" comment. Also I don't hate Miz, I hate that he's succeeded on so little and contributed to little as far as enjoyment given the time they promote him. If you like him...fine, but I don't and I have several valid reasons. In case you missed them in the other 200 threads saying the same thing, they are;
1. Limited moveset and ability for a guy of his stature. He isn't Khali where he can get by just on being big. A moveset in WWE shouldn't be something that you'll see on your local indy circuit.
2. Booked WAY too strong last year, as far beating people. Yeah, he wasn't exactly the top guy in the main event, but beating guys like Kofi and Morrison among others.
3. Stale, boring promos. Miz isn't great on the mic. He lacks arrogance and passion in anything he says. If you think those are phenomenal skills, then you haven't seen a lot of wrestling, or you have low standards. He's not terrible, but he's far from good.
4. His character is absolute s***. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he looks the part of a chickens***. I would not believe in any other circumstances that he could beat any guy in the WWE sans Hornswoggle.
Again, I don't hate the guy...I just hate everything they've done for him. People will continue to (and forever) say that Miz worked hard and all that s***, but almost everyone in WWE worked hard in some capacity to get there, and I'll be honest...I don't think Miz worked hard enough and it shows.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 14, 2012 20:41:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm just sick of "Wrestler in tights with boots". Miz looked great when he had his shorts and hat with gloves. Why can't WWE let these guys be original instead of (seriously) copying what Jericho did?
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Post by mizerable on Mar 14, 2012 20:50:22 GMT -5
WWE has this notion that people will only take you seriously if you wrestle in black. While that works for guys like Austin and Triple H, it doesn't exactly always work on others. And yes, I'll agree that Miz looked pretty different with the shorts...hell his "10-0" thing with Cena was something that made sense for a guy like him to do. And the copying of Jericho and Rock is undeniable...he didn't need to go that route. I wish he would just be Mike Mizanin.
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 14, 2012 21:11:09 GMT -5
Ok, I only have one thing to add. His move set is limited, yes. You know why? He's a heel. This guy went through Ultimate University, which produced Cena, Joe, Kazarian, and had a hand in training Joey Ryan, the RockNES guys, and basically half of the SoCal scene. One of the things you were taught there is to do a lot with a little, especially of you're playing heel. One time, my trainer, who was one of the UPW trainers, critiqued a spot I did with this guy Austin. Austin is about 6'6 and has no problems doing moonsaults, 450s, anything. He was playing heel and hit me with a standing Moonsault.
My trainer asked him why he did that. He was playing heel, why would he do a move that the crowd might pop for?
My point is this: Miz was taught to dial back the offensive game when he's heel, so he doesn't get the crowd cheering for him. Some guys might ignore that, but Miz, and Cena as well, took that to heart. And look where they are compared to the other guys I listed, no offense to them.
Also, I have it on good authority that both of them can do a LOT more than they show on tv. But they don't have to do it.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 14, 2012 21:14:17 GMT -5
It's not so much with him dialing back as much as it's the kind of stuff you would see in a 1 month training course. I'm not asking for him to be the next Shawn Michaels or something, but give me something that at least stands out.
And honestly, I don't buy for a second that they told him to hold back, seeing as a lot of other guys as heels definitely aren't told to.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 14, 2012 21:19:42 GMT -5
I think it's one of those, what d'ya call it? An apple? A christmas tree?
Oh yeah. An opinion.
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 14, 2012 21:20:04 GMT -5
I'm not saying WWE told him to tone it down, I'm saying that's how he was trained. Hell, that's how I'm being trained. When your heel, Keep It Simple, Stupid. Don't do anything that the fans might pop for.
Like I said, not everyone will take that to heart. Joe was probably trained that way initially, but then went to Japan and got all strong style on us.
But at the same time, Johnny Goodtime, another UPW guy, is playing face in PWG and heel in NWA Hollywood. And you know what? He's not doing too many crazy dives or spots in NWA. His finisher in PWG is a frog splash. His finisher in NWA is a powerbomb
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Post by revolver86 on Mar 14, 2012 21:23:36 GMT -5
Hated Miz from the beginning, I'm a TOTAL hipster, now!
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 14, 2012 21:25:20 GMT -5
Hated Miz from the beginning, I'm a TOTAL hipster, now! "I hated him earlier than the beginning!"
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Post by mizerable on Mar 14, 2012 21:25:46 GMT -5
And while that might work in your organization, Miz does not strike me as the kind of guy who would scale things back, seeing as he enjoys mugging for the camera whenever given the possibility. It's dog eat dog. You're going to want to stand out in one way or another, otherwise you're going to get passed over for someone who can bring that little something extra. For a company that is always looking for the next big thing, I'd hate to think that he's phoning it in, just because he's a heel.
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 14, 2012 21:34:32 GMT -5
And while that might work in your organization, Miz does not strike me as the kind of guy who would scale things back, seeing as he enjoys mugging for the camera whenever given the possibility. It's dog eat dog. You're going to want to stand out in one way or another, otherwise you're going to get passed over for someone who can bring that little something extra. For a company that is always looking for the next big thing, I'd hate to think that he's phoning it in, just because he's a heel. I'm honestly not trying to change your opinion, I just wanted to give an insight into how Miz was trained, as, at least here, I have kind of a unique perspective on it. What he was taught, and how I'm being taught, and how everyone that goes through my class is being taught, as well as everyone who went through UPW, is that if your a heel, and you do something that makes the fans cheer you, you're not doing your job. He's not phoning it in, he's working the fans to achieve the desired reaction. That said, after thinking about it, I will agree that the way he goes about doing it does not mesh with his current gimmick. His way of working applies more to a chickens***, not a psycho badass. So maybe that's the problem.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 14, 2012 21:39:49 GMT -5
I doubt anything he learned in UPW was carried over to what WWE expects out of someone. I'm not saying that what he was taught was wrong, it's just something that if I was put in the same situation, I would definitely play it up as best as I could if I was in the big leagues.
Again, just my opinion...but if no one else lives by that rule (especially guys who DO want to get heel heat like Jericho), then why would he?
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