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Post by Dub H on May 25, 2012 13:48:35 GMT -5
Yes, hence the "that's illegal" chants. I doubt there were coppers around or that they were that bothered. There are differences in enforcement in things like that - if someone makes a complaint then they might act, but otherwise they're not going to send the massed forces of Scotland Yard after you. Also, enough of the idiot xenophobic comments. I bet there are plenty of laws in your country that others think of as backwards! While it's not the sort of thing that offends me, you obey the laws of the country you visit. When in Rome and all that. Or you deal with getting arrested. William Regal tweeted me this story a while back: "In the old coliseum in Jackson Fl in 94 there was an American flag hanging on the wall and after a match with Larry Z I went to pull it down and a cop stuck a gun to my head and said"I suggest you don't do that sir".I went completely out of character and said"I'm dreadfully sorry" and just walked back to the dressing room like a muppet" So, legal or not, plenty of people your supposed civilised countries get uppity at things like that. If there were plenty of bulls*** laws in Canada I would definitely stand up against them. This is a bit of an extreme example, but what about Rosa Parks. She rode on the bus where a white person should sit and got arrested for it. Am I xenophobic for saying that law was bulls***? And brought by a Brazillian, to them it was entertainment, boo that heel, but the bulls*** law was almost enforced and Jericho was forced to apologize. What about Martin Luther King Jr, going to jail for violating unjust laws. The freedom riders, black and white students standing up against the bulls*** laws of segregation. Should he have apologized to the white cops wanting to throw him in an Alabama jail? Is it ok to stone women who got raped because that's the punishment for an unjust law. f*** unjust laws and this is one of them. Going to jail for kicking a flag, the fact people accept this blows my mind. it shouldnt be legla,i agree,it's one fo the many reasons i''m leaving Brazil(To Canada,just fitting to the conversation!),but dont go blaming the people.there is many worse things right now that they are fighting against than some law about the Flag.(And the ones that dont fight are just eating right in the law hand). Anyway enought,this is politics,politics isn't allowed here i think. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 25, 2012 13:49:13 GMT -5
So....moving right along(please, for the love of god, moving right along), Jericho's not gonna be on tv for a minute. Weird, huh?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 13:50:29 GMT -5
So, basically you're saying that it's just silly to think there are English-speaking law enforcement officers in Brazil, someone who could have informed Jericho that he needed to apologize for disrespecting the flag (which is a crime in Brazil)? I guess I'm putting it into the perspective of if there were some sort of traveling show here that the police were working security, one of the performers broke, say a public decency law that they didn't understand, then, no I don't think the police could cross the language barrier on the fly, offer the absurd "apologize or go to jail" choice and then restart the show. From what I've read, the Brazilian policemen apparently went backstage after Jericho kicked the flag to talk to WWE officials. Then Johnny Ace and a ref came out, and the ref told Jericho to get on the mic and issue the apology. |
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Post by Dub H on May 25, 2012 13:50:53 GMT -5
So....moving right along(please, for the love of god, moving right along), Jericho's not gonna be on tv for a minute. Weird, huh? this event wont change anything probaly.I bet he still will appear on tv,and may even mention the incident.I think the only thing it did was stop Jericho from appearing the rest of the show |
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on May 25, 2012 13:51:04 GMT -5
So....moving right along(please, for the love of god, moving right along), Jericho's not gonna be on tv for a minute. Weird, huh? YEAH MAYBE HE'LL REINVENT HIS CHARACTER! lol yeah right |
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 25, 2012 13:51:14 GMT -5
If there were plenty of bulls*** laws in Canada I would definitely stand up against them. This is a bit of an extreme example, but what about Rosa Parks. She rode on the bus where a white person should sit and got arrested for it. Am I xenophobic for saying that law was bulls***? And brought by a Brazillian, to them it was entertainment, boo that heel, but the bulls*** law was almost enforced and Jericho was forced to apologize. What about Martin Luther King Jr, going to jail for violating unjust laws. The freedom riders, black and white students standing up against the bulls*** laws of segregation. Should he have apologized to the white cops wanting to throw him in an Alabama jail? Is it ok to stone women who got raped because that's the punishment for an unjust law. f*** unjust laws and this is one of them. Going to jail for kicking a flag, the fact people accept this blows my mind. it shouldnt be legla,i agree,it's one fo the many reasons i''m leaving Brazil,but dont go blaming the people.there is many worse things right now that they are fighting against than some law about the Flag.(And the ones that dont fight are just eating right in the law hand). Anyway enought,this is politics,politics isn't allowed here i think. I blamed none of the people there. I said the Brazillians saw it as entertainment. I blamed the bad law and how it's bulls***. Ok, I'm getting passionate and looking back at some comments, here I go. People who are over sensitive about kicking a flag, screw them. People who are not, I empathize with them and having a bad law on the books. |
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Post by Bo Rida on May 25, 2012 13:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by Widow's Peak on May 25, 2012 13:53:21 GMT -5
There is a difference between violating unjust laws out of civil disobedience and violating them out of abstract ignorance.
Anyway, it sucks for Jericho, but unfortunately this is something that is a fact of life in the corporate wresting era. I imagine that the suspension won't be long and he'll be back by Summerslam at the latest.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 25, 2012 13:53:49 GMT -5
Number one: Chris Jericho is not Rosa Parks. Rosa took a stand against bus segregation in Alabama. Jericho was going for cheap heel heat in Brazil. Ms Parks went to jail, Jericho had to make an apology or go to jail. He's lucky he got that option.
Second:People need to realize that the world doesn't follow the same rules and liberties in your country. Calling Brazil backwards because they have a law against flag abuse is ignorant.
Brazil is far from 3rd world. Learn about the rest of the world inside of burying your head in the sand. Jericho screwed and was punished. He's lucky he didn't get fired.
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Post by Dub H on May 25, 2012 13:53:54 GMT -5
it shouldnt be legla,i agree,it's one fo the many reasons i''m leaving Brazil,but dont go blaming the people.there is many worse things right now that they are fighting against than some law about the Flag.(And the ones that dont fight are just eating right in the law hand). Anyway enought,this is politics,politics isn't allowed here i think. I blamed none of the people there. I said the Brazillians saw it as entertainment. I blamed the bad law and how it's bulls***. Alright,sorry,i misread then,in that case you are absolute right  the law here can be very bulls***.Tough not backward,but bullshit |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 13:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 25, 2012 13:59:33 GMT -5
Number one: Chris Jericho is not Rosa Parks. Rosa took a stand against bus segregation in Alabama. Jericho was going for cheap heel heat in Brazil. Ms Parks went to jail, Jericho had to make an apology or go to jail. He's lucky he got that option. Second:People need to realize that the world doesn't follow the same rules and liberties in your country. Calling Brazil backwards because they have a law against flag abuse is ignorant. Brazil is far from 3rd world. Learn about the rest of the world inside of burying your head in the sand. Jericho screwed and was punished. He's lucky he didn't get fired. It was an extreme example which I mentioned. The comparison was breaking a law that was bad, whether it's out of civil disobedience or ignorance. I think I was too hasty in calling brazil backwards for a law on the books. Many of the people there are certainly backwards, but many are not. Though having a law against flag insulting IS backward. I compare it to other countries with bad laws like Saudi Arabia for example. Besides, I'm very well traveled by the way. I apologize for over generalizing but I will kick a Brazillian flag the next time I see one. I also know the rest of the World doesn't follow my same rules and customs. But that doesn't mean I can bash their bullshit laws. |
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Post by zing on May 25, 2012 14:04:07 GMT -5
Yes, hence the "that's illegal" chants. I doubt there were coppers around or that they were that bothered. There are differences in enforcement in things like that - if someone makes a complaint then they might act, but otherwise they're not going to send the massed forces of Scotland Yard after you. Also, enough of the idiot xenophobic comments. I bet there are plenty of laws in your country that others think of as backwards! While it's not the sort of thing that offends me, you obey the laws of the country you visit. When in Rome and all that. Or you deal with getting arrested. William Regal tweeted me this story a while back: "In the old coliseum in Jackson Fl in 94 there was an American flag hanging on the wall and after a match with Larry Z I went to pull it down and a cop stuck a gun to my head and said"I suggest you don't do that sir".I went completely out of character and said"I'm dreadfully sorry" and just walked back to the dressing room like a muppet" So, legal or not, plenty of people your supposed civilised countries get uppity at things like that. If there were plenty of bulls*** laws in Canada I would definitely stand up against them. This is a bit of an extreme example, but what about Rosa Parks. She rode on the bus where a white person should sit and got arrested for it. Am I xenophobic for saying that law was bulls***? And brought by a Brazillian, to them it was entertainment, boo that heel, but the bulls*** law was almost enforced and Jericho was forced to apologize. What about Martin Luther King Jr, going to jail for violating unjust laws. The freedom riders, black and white students standing up against the bulls*** laws of segregation. Should he have apologized to the white cops wanting to throw him in an Alabama jail? Is it ok to stone women who got raped because that's the punishment for an unjust law. f*** unjust laws and this is one of them. Going to jail for kicking a flag, the fact people accept this blows my mind. Oh my giddy aunt.... Did you seriously just compare whiny wrestling fans to MLK? I think that has to be a whole new iteration of Godwin's Law really.... Incidentally (god I can't believe I'm actually engaging in this), MLK and co were actually US citizens and had a bit of a clue about the laws they were engaging with, no? Complete with a legal case being argued. As opposed to "Waa waa waa stupid cheap heat is so much more important than laws I don't understand in a completely different country". Hehe, "Chris Jericho - Civil Rights Crusader".... I think really they showed they were being quite reasonable to say "Er look mate, that's illegal here. You really need to apologise now and explain you didn't mean offence or we're really going to have to take you into custody". Hardly deserving of the scorn on here. Incidentally, I may stand corrected on the UK smoking thing. In Scotland, which implemented the ban first, it was illegal even in cases of performance, because there was a big hoohah about Mel Smith planning to defy the ban when playing Churchill at the Fringe, but the law will no doubt be different in England and Wales. |
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Post by BigWill on May 25, 2012 14:04:20 GMT -5
From the Observer daily update: This part has me imagining Jericho hitchhiking his way through South America, with a full beard, dirty clothes, and a lost look on his face, trying to figure out what went wrong with his life. |
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Post by Dub H on May 25, 2012 14:04:45 GMT -5
Number one: Chris Jericho is not Rosa Parks. Rosa took a stand against bus segregation in Alabama. Jericho was going for cheap heel heat in Brazil. Ms Parks went to jail, Jericho had to make an apology or go to jail. He's lucky he got that option. Second:People need to realize that the world doesn't follow the same rules and liberties in your country. Calling Brazil backwards because they have a law against flag abuse is ignorant. Brazil is far from 3rd world. Learn about the rest of the world inside of burying your head in the sand. Jericho screwed and was punished. He's lucky he didn't get fired. It was an extreme example which I mentioned. The comparison was breaking a law that was bad, whether it's out of civil disobedience or ignorance. I think I was too hasty in calling brazil backwards for a law on the books. Many of the people there are certainly backwards, but many are not. Though having a law against flag insulting IS backward. I compare it to other countries with bad laws like Saudi Arabia for example. Besides, I'm very well traveled by the way. I apologize for over generalizing but I will kick a Brazillian flag the next time I see one. I also know the rest of the World doesn't follow my same rules and customs. But that doesn't mean I can bash their bulls*** laws. I can bring you one when i go there ;D It will be 10 bucks |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 25, 2012 14:05:16 GMT -5
From the Observer daily update: This part has me imagining Jericho hitchhiking his way through South America, with a full beard, dirty clothes, and a lost look on his face, trying to figure out what went wrong with his life. See, if they'd filmed that, in the vein of his "conspiracy victim" skit, I'd have loved it, ANYTHING to get this topic back to amicable comedy, PLEASE! |
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 25, 2012 14:06:26 GMT -5
Number one: Chris Jericho is not Rosa Parks. Rosa took a stand against bus segregation in Alabama. Jericho was going for cheap heel heat in Brazil. Ms Parks went to jail, Jericho had to make an apology or go to jail. He's lucky he got that option. Second:People need to realize that the world doesn't follow the same rules and liberties in your country. Calling Brazil backwards because they have a law against flag abuse is ignorant. Brazil is far from 3rd world. Learn about the rest of the world inside of burying your head in the sand. Jericho screwed and was punished. He's lucky he didn't get fired. It was an extreme example which I mentioned. The comparison was breaking a law that was bad, whether it's out of civil disobedience or ignorance. I think I was too hasty in calling brazil backwards for a law on the books. Many of the people there are certainly backwards, but many are not. Though having a law against flag insulting IS backward. I compare it to other countries with bad laws like Saudi Arabia for example. Besides, I'm very well traveled by the way. I understand people are shocked that someone got in trouble for doing their job. But always learn about the host country customs and laws. Save you from finding out things the hard way. |
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Post by icemansiva on May 25, 2012 14:08:08 GMT -5
work or not that's a stupid thing to do.
and i'm a big y2j mark.
i didn't like it when hbk did with our flag... there's 1001 ways to get heat and jericho should have known better.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on May 25, 2012 14:10:21 GMT -5
This part has me imagining Jericho hitchhiking his way through South America, with a full beard, dirty clothes, and a lost look on his face, trying to figure out what went wrong with his life. See, if they'd filmed that, in the vein of his "conspiracy victim" skit, I'd have loved it, ANYTHING to get this topic back to amicable comedy, PLEASE! Only if there's a cameo by Vader in a ball and chain still trying to get home from Kuwait. |
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Post by Dub H on May 25, 2012 14:11:00 GMT -5
From the Observer daily update: This part has me imagining Jericho hitchhiking his way through South America, with a full beard, dirty clothes, and a lost look on his face, trying to figure out what went wrong with his life. And this should play in the background: |
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the law here can be very bulls***.Tough not backward,but bullshit
