suben
Bubba Ho-Tep
Sailing Jump!
Posts: 617
|
Post by suben on Jun 11, 2012 10:46:15 GMT -5
WWE wants Kelly Kelly to be Sable so bad... it's kind of ridiculous.
|
|
|
Post by Widow's Peak on Jun 11, 2012 12:09:22 GMT -5
When it comes to blonde bombshells, she has nothing on Torrie Wilson. Honestly, if they booked her the same way they booked Torrie, I wouldn't have a problem with her staying. Put her in men's magazines. Get her commercials. Pair her up with a cute midcard wrestler every so often to help get them over. Let her wrestle in mixed tag matches and multi-diva tags. She's popular and they should use it, but putting her in situations where we are supposed to believe that she is a genuine wrestler, let alone the best female wrestler in the company isn't the way to do it.
|
|
Cronant
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Posts: 17,556
|
Post by Cronant on Jun 11, 2012 12:47:18 GMT -5
8 half assed angles in 6 years? A few of them being on ECW? right. So the alternative is she's over....just because? It's not because she's hot and blonde. It's not because of the attention and angles she's been given. She just is? Right. Some characters just connect with the crowd. Its that simple. Its not an equation. She's a happy go lucky underdog and the crowd buys it. There have been others who were hot or blonde or whatever and they didn't last or gain any popularity. There are others on paper who may have more charisma or ability that just don't connect, because like I said, its not a math equation, and that eats people up. Especially when its someone they don't like. Its like Alex Riley, who still gets pops. General audiences can just grasp some people better than other regardless of perceived skill. So yeah "hot and blonde who's had storylines" doesn't quite explain it at all, when there were others who fit that who never had any success.
|
|
|
Post by Savage Gambino on Jun 11, 2012 18:25:26 GMT -5
But E has force fed Kelly to their audience for years (Just like TNA has with Velvet), so I guess many people grew to like her I've always questioned this "Kelly Kelly was shoved down our throats" line I hear now and again. K2 was jobber to the stars for four years, was the pretty blonde in a couple of storylines, and got on cups because she was pretty, got over, and now she's "shoved down our throats"? Eve Torres was shoved down our throats as the it-girl of the Divas division, got two-or-three runs over people miles-ahead better than her (including the brass screwing Nattie Neidhart at the Royal Rumble for her), and, up until "ho-ski" and Miss Hancock 2.0, was slightly less over than erectile dysfunction. Shoving a wrestler down the peoples' throat is, by absolutely no means, a foolproof method.
|
|
|
Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jun 12, 2012 2:45:24 GMT -5
But E has force fed Kelly to their audience for years (Just like TNA has with Velvet), so I guess many people grew to like her I've always questioned this "Kelly Kelly was shoved down our throats" line I hear now and again. K2 was jobber to the stars for four years, was the pretty blonde in a couple of storylines, and got on cups because she was pretty, got over, and now she's "shoved down our throats"? Eve Torres was shoved down our throats as the it-girl of the Divas division, got two-or-three runs over people miles-ahead better than her (including the brass screwing Nattie Neidhart at the Royal Rumble for her), and, up until "ho-ski" and Miss Hancock 2.0, was slightly less over than erectile dysfunction. Shoving a wrestler down the peoples' throat is, by absolutely no means, a foolproof method. Looks like someone didn't read the whole thread. From page 4: Kelly being popular is thanks to the fact that she's good looking, yes, but it's ALSO due to the fact that fans have always had a reason to cheer her. She hasn't always been the main focus of the wrestling division, but she's been a constant presence for years and fans have been given reason after reason to like her since her debut; *Stripper who wants to show off her body but it stopped by abusive boyfriend. *Falls in love with everyman Balls Mahoney (" She could love me too!") *Damsel in distress trapped in a contract with evil Miz. *Plucky underdog who occasionally beats far bigger opponents. *Stalked by Kane. *Bullied by LayCool. *Feuds with, and is fired thanks to Vickie Guerrero (the biggest heat magnet in WWE). *Comes back and attacks Vickie. I've listed this in the past in comparison to Eve who, while pushed, was given nothing all that substantial that fans could sink their teeth into (she walks out with Chris Masters? So what?). These things that Kelly did add up; and there are more, those are off the top of my head. That's not to take away from the fact she's over, but it's to show that she isn't over with WWE putting no effort in. They put effort in, they got results. If they wanted to, they have it in them to do it again; possibly with someone more talented. Yeah, they pulled Eve out of whatever cupboard they kept her in every now and again, but they never actually did anything with her. Can anyone tell me, prior to recently, what character she had? "That chick from the Diva Search who wins the Divas title and then loses it?" You can say the same about the rest of the "bad" divas; how can anyone in the division get over or grow a fanbase when A) they have no depth, B) they're not allowed on the mic, and C) their matches are a 90 seconds at best? Eve, AJ, and Vickie are currently the only real over women in the company; unsurprisingly, it's because all three of them have characters and are allowed to present them. Let the rest of the Divas do that and they'll get over too.
|
|
Tiger Maskooo
Samurai Cop
I cant hear you over the sound of how much im tiger masking
Posts: 2,384
|
Post by Tiger Maskooo on Jun 12, 2012 5:10:52 GMT -5
We've solved the secret of life. If you're a small, skinny blonde, the world is yours. You can just do anything and people will throw money at you. Though I guess that's not much of a secret. And let's be honest. The most over diva on the current roster, that's like who has the least smelliest s***. Seriously, as disgusting as that analogy is, the overness with the divas has gone down dramatically. Trish and Lita were really over. Then Mickie was over, but never as much as Trish and Lita. And now Kelly is over, but not as much as Mickie. It's like, soon the sound of one hand clapping will mean somebody is over. Kellys more over than Mickie. Far more over. Mickie never really got over as a face or heel really. Hell there's a case to be made that when Trish and Lita weren't in angles that didnt involve men or them wrestling infrequently they were less over than Kelly is. And I like lita. I really really like lita. She's not Sable or Sunny levels over though. And yeah,kelly is the most markettable diva. She's the only one the crowd cares about now. Part of that is because they dont know how to use people but the bigger part of that is that she just appeals to a bigger section of people than any woman on the roster currently will ever. WWE shouldn't let her go. She's the only one on the roster they care about. If you try to re-condition people into appreciating different people like beth you'll just get silence. Serious womens wrestling in WWE is not something people will tolerate. Crowds literally turn around in their chairs for it and have for a long time. That wont change.
|
|
|
Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 12, 2012 5:30:18 GMT -5
I brought it up in other threads, but I feel the number one reason Kelly gets over (number two being hot and blonde) is her sympathy. Lots of baby faces have benefited from getting the sympathy of the fans, and it's nothing to sneeze at. She is good as the sympathetic underdog face. You want people to boo a heel diva, have them attack Kelly. There's just something about her that brings about the sympathy from the crowd. It could be because we've seen her since she was 19, so we've seen her grow up in the wrestling world. So there's that connection. I like her, I think she's good as the sympathetic underdog. And also because she's hot. It makes sense that the WWE would want to keep a young, beautiful, over, Diva that is good as the underdog, that has stuck with wrestling for as long as she has, and who doesn't have an outside career. Remember Mickie and Maria had their music careers.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 5:45:48 GMT -5
Kellys more over than Mickie. Far more over. Mickie never really got over as a face or heel really. Disagree with this entirely. During late 2006 and early 2007, not only was Mickie the most over women on the roster but she was probably one of the most over wrestlers in the entire company. The pops she got from the crowd were huge for a diva. Even up until her release in 2010, she was still getting reactions. The WWE wouldn't have put the women's title on her four times (plus a diva's title reign) if she wasn't over.
|
|
|
Post by That Mickie Fan on Jun 12, 2012 6:48:40 GMT -5
We've solved the secret of life. If you're a small, skinny blonde, the world is yours. You can just do anything and people will throw money at you. Though I guess that's not much of a secret. And let's be honest. The most over diva on the current roster, that's like who has the least smelliest s***. Seriously, as disgusting as that analogy is, the overness with the divas has gone down dramatically. Trish and Lita were really over. Then Mickie was over, but never as much as Trish and Lita. And now Kelly is over, but not as much as Mickie. It's like, soon the sound of one hand clapping will mean somebody is over. Kellys more over than Mickie. Far more over. Mickie never really got over as a face or heel really.Hell there's a case to be made that when Trish and Lita weren't in angles that didnt involve men or them wrestling infrequently they were less over than Kelly is. And I like lita. I really really like lita. She's not Sable or Sunny levels over though. And yeah,kelly is the most markettable diva. She's the only one the crowd cares about now. Part of that is because they dont know how to use people but the bigger part of that is that she just appeals to a bigger section of people than any woman on the roster currently will ever. WWE shouldn't let her go. She's the only one on the roster they care about. If you try to re-condition people into appreciating different people like beth you'll just get silence. Serious womens wrestling in WWE is not something people will tolerate. Crowds literally turn around in their chairs for it and have for a long time. That wont change. Are you kidding? Mickie was extremely over as a face and a heel. Kelly is over but not as over as Mickie was.
|
|
Tiger Maskooo
Samurai Cop
I cant hear you over the sound of how much im tiger masking
Posts: 2,384
|
Post by Tiger Maskooo on Jun 12, 2012 7:11:27 GMT -5
The WWE wouldn't have put the women's title on her four times (plus a diva's title reign) if she wasn't over. The bellas have been divas champion. Melina won it several times. Alicia Fox. Getting a womans belt doesnt matter to wwe. They've given it to harvey whippleman.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 8:06:49 GMT -5
The WWE wouldn't have put the women's title on her four times (plus a diva's title reign) if she wasn't over. The bellas have been divas champion. Melina won it several times. Alicia Fox. Getting a womans belt doesnt matter to wwe. They've given it to harvey whippleman. She won the belt multiple times. I understand that not every champion is going to be that over with the crowd, but to simply say 'Mickie was never over' when the WWE trusted her enough to give her five different women's title reigns is false in my opinion. Also, Melina was over, both as a face and as a heel.
|
|
Tiger Maskooo
Samurai Cop
I cant hear you over the sound of how much im tiger masking
Posts: 2,384
|
Post by Tiger Maskooo on Jun 12, 2012 8:49:19 GMT -5
The bellas have been divas champion. Melina won it several times. Alicia Fox. Getting a womans belt doesnt matter to wwe. They've given it to harvey whippleman. She won the belt multiple times. I understand that not every champion is going to be that over with the crowd, but to simply say 'Mickie was never over' when the WWE trusted her enough to give her five different women's title reigns is false in my opinion. Also, Melina was over, both as a face and as a heel. Well I respect your opinion but I disagree on all counts including melina being over as a face or as a heel minus her MNM days.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 8:58:54 GMT -5
The crowd loves her, she won the championship because of how popular she was, held it for a few months and dropped it to Beth. The WWE barely features the women at all, so she'll be on TV for a couple minutes a week. What's the big deal?
|
|
|
Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jun 12, 2012 14:42:37 GMT -5
It makes sense that the WWE would want to keep a young, beautiful, over, Diva that is good as the underdog, that has stuck with wrestling for as long as she has, and who doesn't have an outside career. Remember Mickie and Maria had their music careers.Also remember that neither Mickie or Maria left the WWE; hell, Mickie's on record saying that she had never even considered leaving the WWE. Both of them were unceremoniously fired, for reasons that are anyone's guess, considering they were both over and Mickie had the added advantage of being a veteran.
|
|
|
Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 12, 2012 14:53:11 GMT -5
It makes sense that the WWE would want to keep a young, beautiful, over, Diva that is good as the underdog, that has stuck with wrestling for as long as she has, and who doesn't have an outside career. Remember Mickie and Maria had their music careers.Also remember that neither Mickie or Maria left the WWE; hell, Mickie's on record saying that she had never even considered leaving the WWE. Both of them were unceremoniously fired, for reasons that are anyone's guess, considering they were both over and Mickie had the added advantage of being a veteran. I know, I'm just saying that's why they would want to keep Kelly, but be willing to let Mickie and Maria go. Kelly doesn't have an outside career that the WWE has nothing to do with. Also with Mickie there were the reports of her being late for the bus a couple of times during the international tour, the same time of the Iceland volcano wreaking havoc with travel.
|
|
Paco
Hank Scorpio
Posts: 7,145
|
Post by Paco on Jun 12, 2012 17:25:43 GMT -5
Mickie never got over? BWAHAHAHA...okay.
|
|
|
Post by joemamma1982 on Jun 12, 2012 23:20:09 GMT -5
It makes sense that the WWE would want to keep a young, beautiful, over, Diva that is good as the underdog, that has stuck with wrestling for as long as she has, and who doesn't have an outside career. Remember Mickie and Maria had their music careers.Also remember that neither Mickie or Maria left the WWE; hell, Mickie's on record saying that she had never even considered leaving the WWE. Both of them were unceremoniously fired, for reasons that are anyone's guess, considering they were both over and Mickie had the added advantage of being a veteran. I believe E fired James because of her weight, her behavior during a European tour and also thought AJ can replace her (I believe they were going to call up AJ before the Divas NXT and even filmed a vignette for her , but E their minds), it has been reported that E regretted releasing James.
|
|
Krimzon
Crow T. Robot
This guy is the man!
R.I.P. Deadpool
Posts: 43,870
|
Post by Krimzon on Jun 12, 2012 23:24:14 GMT -5
Kellys more over than Mickie. Far more over. Mickie never really got over as a face or heel really. Hell there's a case to be made that when Trish and Lita weren't in angles that didnt involve men or them wrestling infrequently they were less over than Kelly is. And I like lita. I really really like lita. That may be the most ridiculous thing you've ever said.
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 13, 2012 0:08:42 GMT -5
I brought it up in other threads, but I feel the number one reason Kelly gets over (number two being hot and blonde) is her sympathy. Lots of baby faces have benefited from getting the sympathy of the fans, and it's nothing to sneeze at. She is good as the sympathetic underdog face. You want people to boo a heel diva, have them attack Kelly. There's just something about her that brings about the sympathy from the crowd. It could be because we've seen her since she was 19, so we've seen her grow up in the wrestling world. So there's that connection. I like her, I think she's good as the sympathetic underdog. And also because she's hot. This is pretty much been my stance on her. She plays the face in peril really well.
|
|
Tiger Maskooo
Samurai Cop
I cant hear you over the sound of how much im tiger masking
Posts: 2,384
|
Post by Tiger Maskooo on Jun 13, 2012 2:24:54 GMT -5
Kellys more over than Mickie. Far more over. Mickie never really got over as a face or heel really. Hell there's a case to be made that when Trish and Lita weren't in angles that didnt involve men or them wrestling infrequently they were less over than Kelly is. And I like lita. I really really like lita. That may be the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. I don't think it's that ridicolous. Even if it is,thats not the most ridiculous thing i've said. Most of my posts are joke posts and I once wrote a post where I interviewed Mike Knox beard. I just don't think she really got over except on the occasions when she'd act like an lesbian and the crowd would get interested for a bit but then it'd go back down. Really I remember the majority of her matches featuring complete silence. I'll give her this though when laycool picked on her the crowd really felt sympathy for her. That's a quality that puts her over AJ Lee.
|
|