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Post by CrazySting on May 18, 2013 19:27:41 GMT -5
Yeah, but after Taylor Wilde admitted she was caught working at Sunglass Hut WHILE Knockouts champion, is anything a surprise? Well that was when TNA was running few House Shows and every show was out of Universal. These days I would think a TNA Wrestlers could survive on what TNA gives them considering TNA does at least 4 House Shows a month, 4 tapings and a PPV. Check ODB's twitter. She still works at a bar and openly admits to doing so. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 18, 2013 19:30:56 GMT -5
Do you have 30k saved up for a rainy day? With the cost of healthcare (especially if you don't have any), 30k will probably pay for a week the hospital. And bills don't stop when you're not working. Don't matter how much you save up, one major illness and you're in the poorhouse.
Needing to get an emergency appendix surgery and getting a tumor remove isn't a scam. I don't take Zema was thinking yesterday "How can I make some money? I know. Let's make my appendix burst.". As people has been saying; if TNA wants to be considered big league, they got act that way. A little gesture such as giving $2000 dollars to him goes a long way instead of saying "tough shit". That same attitude cost them in Konnan's and Daffney's lawsuit against them.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 18, 2013 19:33:29 GMT -5
Not to be mean about this but isn't it a little embarrassing for Ion himself? I mean the dude is in his mid 20's you'd expect he had at least 30k in a rainy day fund considering he probably had a job before signing with TNA who probably pay him semi decently considering he works most shows not to mention the indy dates he receives. I think this is more of a case of "Adults should be more financially secure" rather than "TNA should pay the bills!" what you guys don't think about is if TNA pays this medical bill they need to pay every medical bill. Suddenly all these injuries start popping up and wrestlers could completely screw the system and fake injuries for financial benefit and con TNA out of thousands of dollars. Not to mention that TNA isn't even responsible for the injury why should they pay it? Because he works there? If I break my arm at home should my boss at the office pay my medical bills for me? Of course not. It's great his friends are helping but anyone who thinks TNA should pay this is being biased and silly. Someone at the 411mania comments bit posted this in response to the Ion story. Could be BS, but who knows: The James Storm thing, assuming it's true, is absolutely mental. I call B.S massively. AJ Styles has been in the big time for about 12 years now and is TNA's golden boy. He is not going to be trash can diving. Christian York receives a lot of indy dates and I assume Crimson probably does also. James Storm is another guy TNA would be looking after financially that is evidenced by the fact he doesn't take indy bookings. I wouldn't expect a guy in his mid 20s to have 30k. Hell, I don't have 30k lying around, and I have a high paying job. |
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Post by Talent Name on May 18, 2013 19:51:17 GMT -5
Didn't they pay Jesse Sorensen's bills. Also didn't Scott Steiner say something about them not paying his bills either its sad to say though he may be just getting paid per appearance which isn't a lot and also Claire Lynch worked as Olive Oyl while still working for TNA
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Post by usemeplease on May 18, 2013 19:55:22 GMT -5
Also, while I'm not saying they are obligated to do so, you have wrestlers employed by TNA like Angle and Hardy who, even with their various issues, are millionaires several times over. Plus, you know, Panda energy and all that. If you're a fan of the guy and want to help, that's wonderful and this is about as good a cause as you can imagine but I don't think fans should be the ones to cover it. 1. Hardy and Angle made the bulk of their fortune while working for the WWE and doing outside projects. 2. Highly doubt if Panda Energy is going to shell out extra money for additional TNA related expenses. 3. Zema is not the first, nor will he be the last person to have a fundraiser to cover a large unexpected expense. |
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Post by Shark on May 18, 2013 20:01:37 GMT -5
I would think that by now, TNA would want to pay for at least something like this, just for the good PR.
I always think about stuff like this when people bitch about Vince and WWE being scummy, yet they are the ones who cover costs like these for their wrestlers, but TNa and Dixie, who people love to say takes care of their wrestlers and speak highly about them, doesn't whether or not it happened in the ring. Jesse Sorrenson is the only one I know of that TNA did help.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on May 18, 2013 20:03:10 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I only hear about the WWE covering costs if it's a wrestling related injury. I could be completely wrong and probably am.
As far as that 30k thing, most people his age would say that's unreasonable. I'm going to be 26 in July and I sure don't have just 30k laying around. I'm lucky to make that in a year. It's simply not possible to save that now, but I do what I can.
I work in health insurance and I can guarantee you won't be able to get traditional coverage. Pro wrestler immediately disqualifies you -- and you can't simply say "independent contractor." Underwriting will dig and you're screwed. That's why you hear so much about guys like DDP, Hawk, Flair, Perfect, and Rick Rude having to take out those policies with Lloyds of London. It's a high premium, lump sum payout type deal that only kicks in if you end up (more or less) disabled for a period of time.
I have no problem with the fundraiser. I'll maybe kick a few dollars his way. As the son of someone that will probably have close to $1 million worth of medical charges when her cancer treatments are done, I feel for him.
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Post by CrazySting on May 18, 2013 20:07:03 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I only hear about the WWE covering costs if it's a wrestling related injury. I could be completely wrong and probably am. It's weird. They don't have to cover outside of the ring things but I think they do. When Regal had his heart trouble a few years ago I believe they helped him out. Certainly, no WWE guy is ever going to have to start a fundraiser to pay his medical bills, regardless. Per the contract, you have to insurance before they can sign you. I think they even help you get it. And since WWE people make good wages, it's not nearly as hard for them to pay than it would be for a TNA person. The situation isn't ideal, but it's way better than TNA's total disregard for people. |
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Post by Talent Name on May 18, 2013 20:07:21 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I only hear about the WWE covering costs if it's a wrestling related injury. I could be completely wrong and probably am. As far as that 30k thing, most people his age would say that's unreasonable. I'm going to be 26 in July and I sure don't have just 30k laying around. I'm lucky to make that in a year. It's simply not possible to save that now, but I do what I can. I work in health insurance and I can guarantee you won't be able to get traditional coverage. Pro wrestler immediately disqualifies you -- and you can't simply say "independent contractor." Underwriting will dig and you're screwed. That's why you hear so much about guys like DDP, Hawk, Flair, Perfect, and Rick Rude having to take out those policies with Lloyds of London. It's a high premium, lump sum payout type deal that only kicks in if you end up (more or less) disabled for a period of time. I have no problem with the fundraiser. I'll maybe kick a few dollars his way. As the son of someone that will probably have close to $1 million worth of medical charges when her cancer treatments are done, I feel for him. I know in the instances of rehab if the person is a former WWE talent they will cover it all and recently because of Dolph's concussion WWE has donated to fund research into brain trauma as well. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 18, 2013 20:11:32 GMT -5
I would think that by now, TNA would want to pay for at least something like this, just for the good PR. I always think about stuff like this when people bitch about Vince and WWE being scummy, yet they are the ones who cover costs like these for their wrestlers, but TNa and Dixie, who people love to say takes care of their wrestlers and speak highly about them, doesn't whether or not it happened in the ring. Jesse Sorrenson is the only one I know of that TNA did help. Dixie worked in PR before getting into wrestling. Are you really surprised she knows how to present herself, and her company, as something it's not? |
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Post by SOR on May 18, 2013 20:30:29 GMT -5
Do you have 30k saved up for a rainy day? With the cost of healthcare (especially if you don't have any), 30k will probably pay for a week the hospital. And bills don't stop when you're not working. Don't matter how much you save up, one major illness and you're in the poorhouse. Needing to get an emergency appendix surgery and getting a tumor remove isn't a scam. I don't take Zema was thinking yesterday "How can I make some money? I know. Let's make my appendix burst.". As people has been saying; if TNA wants to be considered big league, they got act that way. A little gesture such as giving $2000 dollars to him goes a long way instead of saying "tough shit". That same attitude cost them in Konnan's and Daffney's lawsuit against them. I have 30k yeah but I got lucky. I'm only 22 though I wouldn't expect a 22 year old to have 30k but they should definitely have around the 5-10k mark at that age. Obviously Zema isn't scamming the system and I never said he was I said others could. Let's say a wrestler with a number of injuries joins TNA, works a few matches and then claims he picked up this injury and this injury at TNA and TNA should pay for it and TNA just do it. It could be thousands and thousands of dollars for something that may not even be their fault. If TNA gave 2000 dollars of the 30,000 needed we both know the entire IWC would be complaining. "What's 2 grand going to get him? Why don't they pay the whole thing!" |
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 18, 2013 20:58:24 GMT -5
Do you have 30k saved up for a rainy day? With the cost of healthcare (especially if you don't have any), 30k will probably pay for a week the hospital. And bills don't stop when you're not working. Don't matter how much you save up, one major illness and you're in the poorhouse. Needing to get an emergency appendix surgery and getting a tumor remove isn't a scam. I don't take Zema was thinking yesterday "How can I make some money? I know. Let's make my appendix burst.". As people has been saying; if TNA wants to be considered big league, they got act that way. A little gesture such as giving $2000 dollars to him goes a long way instead of saying "tough shit". That same attitude cost them in Konnan's and Daffney's lawsuit against them. I have 30k yeah but I got lucky. I'm only 22 though I wouldn't expect a 22 year old to have 30k but they should definitely have around the 5-10k mark at that age. Obviously Zema isn't scamming the system and I never said he was I said others could. Let's say a wrestler with a number of injuries joins TNA, works a few matches and then claims he picked up this injury and this injury at TNA and TNA should pay for it and TNA just do it. It could be thousands and thousands of dollars for something that may not even be their fault. If TNA gave 2000 dollars of the 30,000 needed we both know the entire IWC would be complaining. "What's 2 grand going to get him? Why don't they pay the whole thing!" Number 1: TNA doesn't not have the money that WCW had nor the contract set up. There are no big guarantee downside in their contracts. They have been restructured to where you only get paid when you work tv and/or house shows. So the WCW mindset of milking injuries does not work. And it's TNA's fault if they hire someone who already has a ton of injuries. There's a reason why WWE does medical screenings for potential hirings. Number 2: If TNA is more concern about what the IWC says instead of doing the right thing, then they already lost the war. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 21:08:21 GMT -5
Also, while I'm not saying they are obligated to do so, you have wrestlers employed by TNA like Angle and Hardy who, even with their various issues, are millionaires several times over. Plus, you know, Panda energy and all that. If you're a fan of the guy and want to help, that's wonderful and this is about as good a cause as you can imagine but I don't think fans should be the ones to cover it. 1. Hardy and Angle made the bulk of their fortune while working for the WWE and doing outside projects. 2. Highly doubt if Panda Energy is going to shell out extra money for additional TNA related expenses. 3. Zema is not the first, nor will he be the last person to have a fundraiser to cover a large unexpected expense. It's called good will. Angle and Hardy have millions. Why not have people who have actually met Ion spend some money to help him out, if even a thousand dollars or so? Again, with Panda Energy, it's about paying even a small amount of money to cover medical bills. Other companies do that with their workers. Panda has literally billions of dollars. Why not cover the bill if even for PR reasons. And many companies do that. And I'm not saying he shouldn't have the fundraiser. I covered that in the post saying it's great that fans can help him out. If anything, that can go to things outside of his medical costs. It's just that, you would think that wrestlers who've actually worked with him, who have the money, who have experienced the physical toll of pro wrestling, could spare some money to help a friend and co-worker. Or how about doing a show where the proceeds go to Ion? Other companies do that, much smaller ones, in the Indys. So why not? |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 22:22:10 GMT -5
Someone at the 411mania comments bit posted this in response to the Ion story. Could be BS, but who knows: The James Storm thing, assuming it's true, is absolutely mental. Haha, this is very obviously a joke. Diving for bottles and cans, really? Were they foraging for food too? And James Storm is Joe Dirt on the side? |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 18, 2013 22:41:08 GMT -5
Not to be mean about this but isn't it a little embarrassing for Ion himself? I mean the dude is in his mid 20's you'd expect he had at least 30k in a rainy day fund considering he probably had a job before signing with TNA who probably pay him semi decently considering he works most shows not to mention the indy dates he receives. I think this is more of a case of "Adults should be more financially secure" rather than "TNA should pay the bills!" what you guys don't think about is if TNA pays this medical bill they need to pay every medical bill. Suddenly all these injuries start popping up and wrestlers could completely screw the system and fake injuries for financial benefit and con TNA out of thousands of dollars. Not to mention that TNA isn't even responsible for the injury why should they pay it? Because he works there? If I break my arm at home should my boss at the office pay my medical bills for me? Of course not. It's great his friends are helping but anyone who thinks TNA should pay this is being biased and silly. Someone at the 411mania comments bit posted this in response to the Ion story. Could be BS, but who knows: The James Storm thing, assuming it's true, is absolutely mental. I call B.S massively. AJ Styles has been in the big time for about 12 years now and is TNA's golden boy. He is not going to be trash can diving. Christian York receives a lot of indy dates and I assume Crimson probably does also. James Storm is another guy TNA would be looking after financially that is evidenced by the fact he doesn't take indy bookings. I don't know why we should expect Ion should have 30k saved up for a rainy day fund. I'm about his age and I know I have nowhere near that saved up. Before TNA, Ion worked as an indie wrestler, which rarely pays great. Sure there are exceptions like if you're a former WWE, WCW, etc. guy or if you get a deal with Japan (where companies like NJPW can dish out big bucks), but Zema didn't have either of these benefits. Also it's been documented how poorly some of the TNA roster is paid so I wouldn't expect him to get 30k in savings there after being around for such a relatively short time on the roster anyway. As for TNA having to pay every person's medical bills if they pay for guys like Zema and Konnan when they suffer serious medical conditions, I don't see why that would be a bad thing. WWE has paid for injured workers and I know at least at one point ROH even had health insurance for it's signed workers. Sure, people could scam TNA by faking injuries, but literally this can happen to ANY employer that offers health insurance. Of course TNA is a growing company so I can see why they wouldn't want to do this when so many other wrestling companies don't pay medical expenses, but that is also why I referenced PR in my first post. Using the two most extreme examples, which headline looks better "Wrestling Company Pays Independent Contractors Medical Expenses" or "Wrestling Company Lets Independent Contractor Die of Colon Cancer"? |
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Post by CrazySting on May 18, 2013 22:46:15 GMT -5
"A growing company"
Dude, they've been around for over a decade.
But yeah, the people saying "Well if they pay this, they'll have to pay everyone's..." are missing the point. They should be doing that anyway. And if it means not signing Sting or Hogan (who make no real difference anyway) for another year to cover it, then so be it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 22:48:53 GMT -5
*barely has $10 saved up*
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 18, 2013 22:49:29 GMT -5
"A growing company" Dude, they've been around for over a decade. Dude, a company that has been around for 50+ years can be a growing company. |
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Post by Richard on May 18, 2013 22:55:51 GMT -5
Well I guess that answers my question about TNA covering his medical bills or not. You wanna consider yourself a "big league promotion" TNA? How about footing the bill like any other big league promotion does and has done in the past. When has WWE ever footed the bill for a non-wrestling related injury? Shit, they force their talent to carry insurance to prevent stuff like this from happening. Yes they pay their guys their downside which probably allows them to pay these things but its not paying for a guy who got sick just because. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 18, 2013 22:58:15 GMT -5
Well I guess that answers my question about TNA covering his medical bills or not. You wanna consider yourself a "big league promotion" TNA? How about footing the bill like any other big league promotion does and has done in the past. When has WWE ever footed the bill for a non-wrestling related injury? Shit, they force their talent to carry insurance to prevent stuff like this from happening. Yes they pay their guys their downside which probably allows them to pay these things but its not paying for a guy who got sick just because. William Regal, I believe. When he had his heart issues years ago. Would rehab count? They pay for that. |
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