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Post by Dat Dude on May 18, 2013 23:02:33 GMT -5
When has WWE ever footed the bill for a non-wrestling related injury? Shit, they force their talent to carry insurance to prevent stuff like this from happening. Yes they pay their guys their downside which probably allows them to pay these things but its not paying for a guy who got sick just because. William Regal, I believe. When he had his heart issues years ago. Would rehab count? They pay for that. Yeah, I think they also covered dependents as well. Fit Finaly's wife had breast cancer and I believe they covered her treatment as well. |
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Post by Richard on May 18, 2013 23:06:14 GMT -5
When has WWE ever footed the bill for a non-wrestling related injury? Shit, they force their talent to carry insurance to prevent stuff like this from happening. Yes they pay their guys their downside which probably allows them to pay these things but its not paying for a guy who got sick just because. William Regal, I believe. When he had his heart issues years ago. Would rehab count? They pay for that. I think Regal got sick working for them in India so I wouldn't count that since that would be their responsibility. Rehab? Maybe, I think it's mostly wrestling related but it's also admittedly a pure PR stunt. I'm think stuff like Hardy's appendix, Bourne and his foot or the guys that had wrecks like Pillman or Eddy. |
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Post by Richard on May 18, 2013 23:07:11 GMT -5
William Regal, I believe. When he had his heart issues years ago. Would rehab count? They pay for that. Yeah, I think they also covered dependents as well. Fit Finaly's wife had breast cancer and I believe they covered her treatment as well. Finlay is not considered talent and thus has medical coverage. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 18, 2013 23:08:12 GMT -5
at risk of sounding like too much of a social sadie, TNA should pay for it. they're a national television program and this guy probably got hurt working for them. it's things like this that make people not take them seriously.
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Post by Widow's Peak on May 18, 2013 23:14:34 GMT -5
Well I guess that answers my question about TNA covering his medical bills or not. You wanna consider yourself a "big league promotion" TNA? How about footing the bill like any other big league promotion does and has done in the past. When has WWE ever footed the bill for a non-wrestling related injury? Shit, they force their talent to carry insurance to prevent stuff like this from happening. Yes they pay their guys their downside which probably allows them to pay these things but its not paying for a guy who got sick just because. As you pointed out, they do have a downside guarantee that would at least help them pay expenses. Plus, I don't think they'd want the publicity of having one of their workers having to ask for money because they can't pay medical bills. Ion is probably working on a per appearance deal, which likely isn't much, so if he isn't wrestling, he's not getting paid. TNA may not legally be required to pay for something that didn't happened at work, but morally/PR-wise, its a good idea to give the appearance that you actually care about your employees. And I didn't have $30K in the bank when I was 25. Most 25 year olds aren't even making $30K a year, if they are lucky enough to have a job at all. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 18, 2013 23:15:33 GMT -5
Let's face it: In a Zema Ion type situation, WWE would simply pay up rather than let a wrestler go online and beg for donations. Not only to save face, but because they don't have TNA's rep for being stingy.
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Post by Richard on May 18, 2013 23:21:25 GMT -5
at risk of sounding like too much of a social sadie, TNA should pay for it. they're a national television program and this guy probably got hurt working for them. it's things like this that make people not take them seriously. He got a burst appendix and tumor on/in his colon by working for TNA? That said, I see both sides of this. TNA is probably not at fault and should bare no responsibility for it. On the other side, I know well how f***ed up the healthcare system is and how one minor procedure can ruin you if you don't have ins., let alone a major one with no ins. can do. TNA helping him out would be nice even. Then again, TNA helps him out and then someone who has a far lesser issue can ask for help, get turned down and point to this and possibly have legal action to take. Let's face it: In a Zema Ion type situation, WWE would simply pay up rather than let a wrestler go online and beg for donations. Not only to save face, but because they don't have TNA's rep for being stingy. No doubt. Like Widow's Peak said, he'd be making enough in WWE to make it through this (plus they require you to carry insurance now) so this would be a non-issue. It is something TNA needs to work on, either pay these guys a decent living wage or cut the restrictions so they can make one on their own |
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Post by CrazySting on May 18, 2013 23:26:05 GMT -5
at risk of sounding like too much of a social sadie, TNA should pay for it. they're a national television program and this guy probably got hurt working for them. it's things like this that make people not take them seriously. He got a burst appendix and tumor on/in his colon by working for TNA? That said, I see both sides of this. TNA is probably not at fault and should bare no responsibility for it. On the other side, I know well how f***ed up the healthcare system is and how one minor procedure can ruin you if you don't have ins., let alone a major one with no ins. can do. TNA helping him out would be nice even. Then again, TNA helps him out and then someone who has a far lesser issue can ask for help, get turned down and point to this and possibly have legal action to take. You could argue if he wasn't a pro wrestler/they paid him better, he could have afforded insurance and wouldn't be in this mess. They may very well be culpable in this. |
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Post by Richard on May 18, 2013 23:33:38 GMT -5
He got a burst appendix and tumor on/in his colon by working for TNA? That said, I see both sides of this. TNA is probably not at fault and should bare no responsibility for it. On the other side, I know well how f***ed up the healthcare system is and how one minor procedure can ruin you if you don't have ins., let alone a major one with no ins. can do. TNA helping him out would be nice even. Then again, TNA helps him out and then someone who has a far lesser issue can ask for help, get turned down and point to this and possibly have legal action to take. You could argue if he wasn't a pro wrestler/they paid him better, he could have afforded insurance and wouldn't be in this mess. They may very well be culpable in this. As i said, on the pay I sort of agree (I don't think they are responsible for his illness just because they don't pay him much but they are responsible for this situation because of it) but not the "if he wasn't a pro wrestler" thing. The industry is what is and yes things could be better but it's not pro wrestling's fault that healthcare is a mess. Yeah, the major companies should pitch in but the barrier to coverage should not be so high they have to. I'm trying not to get political with this but there is a hell of a lot more to it than just "they need to pay better so he can get insurance" or "they need to give insurance to their wrestlers too". |
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Post by SOR on May 19, 2013 0:39:21 GMT -5
I like how TNA is somehow at fault for paying wrestlers less. Every worker agree's to a deal if TNA isn't paying enough don't work for TNA. Simple.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 19, 2013 0:53:28 GMT -5
Do you have 30k saved up for a rainy day? With the cost of healthcare (especially if you don't have any), 30k will probably pay for a week the hospital. And bills don't stop when you're not working. Don't matter how much you save up, one major illness and you're in the poorhouse. Needing to get an emergency appendix surgery and getting a tumor remove isn't a scam. I don't take Zema was thinking yesterday "How can I make some money? I know. Let's make my appendix burst.". As people has been saying; if TNA wants to be considered big league, they got act that way. A little gesture such as giving $2000 dollars to him goes a long way instead of saying "tough shit". That same attitude cost them in Konnan's and Daffney's lawsuit against them. I have 30k yeah but I got lucky. I'm only 22 though I wouldn't expect a 22 year old to have 30k but they should definitely have around the 5-10k mark at that age. Obviously Zema isn't scamming the system and I never said he was I said others could. Let's say a wrestler with a number of injuries joins TNA, works a few matches and then claims he picked up this injury and this injury at TNA and TNA should pay for it and TNA just do it. It could be thousands and thousands of dollars for something that may not even be their fault. If TNA gave 2000 dollars of the 30,000 needed we both know the entire IWC would be complaining. "What's 2 grand going to get him? Why don't they pay the whole thing!" 10k saved up at 22 years old? You have to teach me your economical theory. |
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Post by jakes on May 19, 2013 1:26:29 GMT -5
Not to be mean about this but isn't it a little embarrassing for Ion himself? I mean the dude is in his mid 20's you'd expect he had at least 30k in a rainy day fund considering he probably had a job before signing with TNA who probably pay him semi decently considering he works most shows not to mention the indy dates he receives. I think this is more of a case of "Adults should be more financially secure" rather than "TNA should pay the bills!" what you guys don't think about is if TNA pays this medical bill they need to pay every medical bill. Suddenly all these injuries start popping up and wrestlers could completely screw the system and fake injuries for financial benefit and con TNA out of thousands of dollars. Not to mention that TNA isn't even responsible for the injury why should they pay it? Because he works there? If I break my arm at home should my boss at the office pay my medical bills for me? Of course not. It's great his friends are helping but anyone who thinks TNA should pay this is being biased and silly. Someone at the 411mania comments bit posted this in response to the Ion story. Could be BS, but who knows: The James Storm thing, assuming it's true, is absolutely mental. I call B.S massively. AJ Styles has been in the big time for about 12 years now and is TNA's golden boy. He is not going to be trash can diving. Christian York receives a lot of indy dates and I assume Crimson probably does also. James Storm is another guy TNA would be looking after financially that is evidenced by the fact he doesn't take indy bookings. Yeah, I don't buy into the James Storm claims. I think for someone at Zema's level there are the problems that have been mentioned with TNA. This is likely why it seems that most of the best from the indies prefer WWE over TNA. But I think in addition to Sting and the ex-WWE names the TNA originals who have been there for years do well. Storm and Roode would've jumped to WWE by now instead of sticking with TNA if they weren't making money. Given the belief of how TNA ruined Samoa Joe you would think he would've gone back to ROH and the indies by now like others have, but instead he has remained with TNA. |
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Post by SOR on May 19, 2013 4:31:16 GMT -5
I have 30k yeah but I got lucky. I'm only 22 though I wouldn't expect a 22 year old to have 30k but they should definitely have around the 5-10k mark at that age. Obviously Zema isn't scamming the system and I never said he was I said others could. Let's say a wrestler with a number of injuries joins TNA, works a few matches and then claims he picked up this injury and this injury at TNA and TNA should pay for it and TNA just do it. It could be thousands and thousands of dollars for something that may not even be their fault. If TNA gave 2000 dollars of the 30,000 needed we both know the entire IWC would be complaining. "What's 2 grand going to get him? Why don't they pay the whole thing!" 10k saved up at 22 years old? You have to teach me your economical theory. Not to get off topic but basically a lot of 22 year olds spend a lot more than they have too. Of course I don't know how much the average wage is in the United States but here in Australia you can make 40-50k in an entry level job which could easily equal 10-15k a year of savings if you're living at home and limit how social you are. |
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Post by Dang! on May 19, 2013 5:23:12 GMT -5
Jeez, you'd think TNA would cover his bills just for the PR. I remember years back Konnan had to do the same thing when he had medical problems. Hopefully his tumor isn't cancerous and at least fans have given him over $3K now. I was just thinking that, while I am a fan of TNA I hate the fact that they don't cover their talent's medical bills. When they're not paying their wrestlers WWE money they at least need to cover medical, it's only fair. This. I am really disappointed by TNA that they won't cover his bills. Things like this are another reason why people would rather go to WWE and be used lower on the card than they would be in TNA. They might be JTTS there, but at least they're safe from shit like this. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 6:15:41 GMT -5
Since TNA is a joke of company, I at least hope that some of Zemas co-wrestlers will step in and cover some of the expenses.
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Post by Banecat on May 19, 2013 6:22:00 GMT -5
I was just thinking that, while I am a fan of TNA I hate the fact that they don't cover their talent's medical bills. When they're not paying their wrestlers WWE money they at least need to cover medical, it's only fair. This. I am really disappointed by TNA that they won't cover his bills. Things like this are another reason why people would rather go to WWE and be used lower on the card than they would be in TNA. They might be JTTS there, but at least they're safe from shit like this. I highly doubt WWE would pay for his troubles. The examples people use like Regal, well he's only worked for the company for 15+ years. When you've got tenure you can get many benefits most other do not get. If anything Ion would probably get "future endeavored" for his medical problems (WWE has done it before multiple times). SOR: American wages start at $7.25. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 7:14:32 GMT -5
WWE would pay for his treatment if for no other reason the good PR that comes with fighting cancer. Ion would probably get a few "get regular screening" spots out of it.
It's a tough spot for TNA to be in though, they either pay and risk having to pay for all manner of illnesses no matter how chronic, or don't pay and look like jerks.
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Post by Red Impact on May 19, 2013 7:58:35 GMT -5
I'm not saying he should of had insurance I'm saying he should have 30k in the bank so that he doesn't have to come and ask the fans for money. He's been in the big time for 2 years and is apparently a Journalism major so the guy should be financially secure. It isn't TNA's fault that he isn't financially secure and can't afford medical bills. As someone who was a journalist at a significantly sized paper, thus being paid about twice as much as I would have been able to anywhere else I could have gotten a job as a new grad, allow me to say Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha A 30K nest egg for a recent journalism graduate is beyond the realm of possibility. The way the industry works, the only way you'll make enough money to save up 30K by 25 is to live in a place where cost of living is so high that 30K wouldn't be a drop in the bucket (like in DC or NYC). I was making less than that, and that was before taxes and any benefits. That's assuming that someone who is spending a significant amount of time as a pro wrestler would be able to get a full-time job with that degree, which is difficult enough in the industry in this day and time to begin with. Of course, if he had gotten an actual journalism job, he might have had insurance. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 19, 2013 8:49:41 GMT -5
I have 30k yeah but I got lucky. I'm only 22 though I wouldn't expect a 22 year old to have 30k but they should definitely have around the 5-10k mark at that age. Obviously Zema isn't scamming the system and I never said he was I said others could. Let's say a wrestler with a number of injuries joins TNA, works a few matches and then claims he picked up this injury and this injury at TNA and TNA should pay for it and TNA just do it. It could be thousands and thousands of dollars for something that may not even be their fault. If TNA gave 2000 dollars of the 30,000 needed we both know the entire IWC would be complaining. "What's 2 grand going to get him? Why don't they pay the whole thing!" 10k saved up at 22 years old? You have to teach me your economical theory. I had 8K at the time. 10 isn't outside the realm of possibility. |
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Post by Dan Gerous on May 19, 2013 9:45:12 GMT -5
It's completely unreasonable to expect him to have 30k saved up at his age. Like, completely. I can't believe anyone would even suggest that. However, dude should have insurance. He'll get the money though, be it from fans, friends, or some benefit shows. I don't think it's TNA's responsibility that his appendix burst or whatever, any money they give him would be over and above what they should be expected.
If I broke my leg on my way to work, my employer would not pay for it, and I wouldn't expect it. It doesn't matter that he's on tv.
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