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Post by Hawk Hart on May 19, 2013 10:23:02 GMT -5
Do you have 30k saved up for a rainy day? With the cost of healthcare (especially if you don't have any), 30k will probably pay for a week the hospital. And bills don't stop when you're not working. Don't matter how much you save up, one major illness and you're in the poorhouse. Needing to get an emergency appendix surgery and getting a tumor remove isn't a scam. I don't take Zema was thinking yesterday "How can I make some money? I know. Let's make my appendix burst.". As people has been saying; if TNA wants to be considered big league, they got act that way. A little gesture such as giving $2000 dollars to him goes a long way instead of saying "tough shit". That same attitude cost them in Konnan's and Daffney's lawsuit against them. I have 30k yeah but I got lucky. I'm only 22 though I wouldn't expect a 22 year old to have 30k but they should definitely have around the 5-10k mark at that age. Obviously Zema isn't scamming the system and I never said he was I said others could. Let's say a wrestler with a number of injuries joins TNA, works a few matches and then claims he picked up this injury and this injury at TNA and TNA should pay for it and TNA just do it. It could be thousands and thousands of dollars for something that may not even be their fault. If TNA gave 2000 dollars of the 30,000 needed we both know the entire IWC would be complaining. "What's 2 grand going to get him? Why don't they pay the whole thing!" I'm also 22, I don't even have $1000 saved. |
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Post by Viking Snad on May 19, 2013 11:07:45 GMT -5
26, I live paycheck to paycheck. Currently $5.24 in my account. A burst appendix and tumor would put me in debt for good. Poor dude. I wish him the best.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 11:28:43 GMT -5
I would say that the vast majority of Americans regardless of age don't have $30000 in the bank. I have a good job and I'm nowhere near that.
Besides say he does have $30K in the bank and he uses it on his medical bills, what happens if the tumor appears again in a few months? Then what is he supposed to do? Sometimes there is more than one rainy day.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 11:37:42 GMT -5
Yeah, but after Taylor Wilde admitted she was caught working at Sunglass Hut WHILE Knockouts champion, is anything a surprise? Well that was when TNA was running few House Shows and every show was out of Universal. These days I would think a TNA Wrestlers could survive on what TNA gives them considering TNA does at least 4 House Shows a month, 4 tapings and a PPV. It's notoriously difficult for pro wrestlers to get health insurance. There's probably more to it than "he just didn't want to bother." I'm not saying he should of had insurance I'm saying he should have 30k in the bank so that he doesn't have to come and ask the fans for money. He's been in the big time for 2 years and is apparently a Journalism major so the guy should be financially secure. It isn't TNA's fault that he isn't financially secure and can't afford medical bills. Hahahahah! In this economy a journalism degree and being in your mid-20s means you're probably at least 30K in debt! Where do you live? Cause I want to be there now! |
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Post by SOR on May 19, 2013 12:17:38 GMT -5
I would say that the vast majority of Americans regardless of age don't have $30000 in the bank. I have a good job and I'm nowhere near that. Besides say he does have $30K in the bank and he uses it on his medical bills, what happens if the tumor appears again in a few months? Then what is he supposed to do? Sometimes there is more than one rainy day. If he exhausted his savings I'd be all for him THEN asking the fans or TNA or Wrestlers for assistance. It just seems to me that he's gone to hospital with this serious thing (And I feel 100% bad for him I hope nobody gets me wrong) and as soon as he's in there it's immediately a cash grab. Wrestling fans are relatively generous but every guy does this these days. Marty Jannetty was doing it earlier this year I believe in regards to his ankle. Jake Roberts wants the fans to fund his knee surgery or whatever it is. Other wrestlers want the fans to buy them gifts, buy them holidays etc etc. After awhile the cash grab from wrestlers get's a little old. I think this is more of a case of Zema trying not to spend a lot of his money and instead take from the fans. Using him for an indy date wouldn't be that cheap and being a current TV guy he'd do well in merch on the indies. TNA also would be giving him a cheque he's probably doing a lot better financially than a lot of us think. Well that was when TNA was running few House Shows and every show was out of Universal. These days I would think a TNA Wrestlers could survive on what TNA gives them considering TNA does at least 4 House Shows a month, 4 tapings and a PPV. I'm not saying he should of had insurance I'm saying he should have 30k in the bank so that he doesn't have to come and ask the fans for money. He's been in the big time for 2 years and is apparently a Journalism major so the guy should be financially secure. It isn't TNA's fault that he isn't financially secure and can't afford medical bills. Hahahahah! In this economy a journalism degree and being in your mid-20s means you're probably at least 30K in debt! Where do you live? Cause I want to be there now! I live in Australia. Honestly though you can't compare him to a regular guy in his mid 20's (Although someone in ther mid 20's should have a decent amount of savings) I mean I brought up the Journalism thing because I figre he may do something part time for some cash but honestly the guy would be making well over a thousand a week from TNA and the indies. A guy like Ion can command 250-300 bucks a night from an indy and he doesn't seem to have a lack of dates. He probably gets around the same from TNA (If not more) and this is before he sells a single T-Shirt, Autographed Photo or DVD. I feel bad for him in this situation because being sick sucks but he should of had some savings to rely on instead of having to go straight to the cash grab from the fans. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 12:35:15 GMT -5
I would say that the vast majority of Americans regardless of age don't have $30000 in the bank. I have a good job and I'm nowhere near that. Besides say he does have $30K in the bank and he uses it on his medical bills, what happens if the tumor appears again in a few months? Then what is he supposed to do? Sometimes there is more than one rainy day. If he exhausted his savings I'd be all for him THEN asking the fans or TNA or Wrestlers for assistance. It just seems to me that he's gone to hospital with this serious thing (And I feel 100% bad for him I hope nobody gets me wrong) and as soon as he's in there it's immediately a cash grab. Wrestling fans are relatively generous but every guy does this these days. Marty Jannetty was doing it earlier this year I believe in regards to his ankle. Jake Roberts wants the fans to fund his knee surgery or whatever it is. Other wrestlers want the fans to buy them gifts, buy them holidays etc etc. After awhile the cash grab from wrestlers get's a little old. I think this is more of a case of Zema trying not to spend a lot of his money and instead take from the fans. Using him for an indy date wouldn't be that cheap and being a current TV guy he'd do well in merch on the indies. TNA also would be giving him a cheque he's probably doing a lot better financially than a lot of us think. Hahahahah! In this economy a journalism degree and being in your mid-20s means you're probably at least 30K in debt! Where do you live? Cause I want to be there now! I live in Australia. Honestly though you can't compare him to a regular guy in his mid 20's (Although someone in ther mid 20's should have a decent amount of savings) I mean I brought up the Journalism thing because I figre he may do something part time for some cash but honestly the guy would be making well over a thousand a week from TNA and the indies. A guy like Ion can command 250-300 bucks a night from an indy and he doesn't seem to have a lack of dates. He probably gets around the same from TNA (If not more) and this is before he sells a single T-Shirt, Autographed Photo or DVD. I feel bad for him in this situation because being sick sucks but he should of had some savings to rely on instead of having to go straight to the cash grab from the fans. Australia sounds like a sweet place to live if most 20 something's have 30k in the bank. It is NOT like that in the US unfortunately. College debt is crazy out here. Most people's net worth is hard in the red and freelancers in wrestling have a hard go of it. The IRS has very little sympathy for freelancers. On top of that only a small percentage of indie wrestlers can actually make a living off their bookings. Travel, lodging, food, car rental, etc will eat through $300 for an indie date pretty quick. |
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Post by Red Impact on May 19, 2013 12:43:36 GMT -5
From what I've read, only the top indie draws will be pulling in the 1000 to 1500 a night range. Zema Ion may be on TNA, but he's not exactly a top draw the likes of a former WWE star might be, so I'd be skeptical that he was making anything remotely close to that. It also depends on what the promotion is willing to pay for (travel, hotel, etc.) and how much of a cut TNA takes (last I heard, they do take a cut of indy shows their wrestlers take). It's probably enough to pay the bills, but I really doubt it's enough to have close to $30K in savings.
Being a journalism grad just means he has a degree. Freelancing is horrible pay, and that's all he'd really be able to do if he spent a good amount of time wrestling.
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Post by Talent Name on May 19, 2013 12:46:08 GMT -5
I got a bill from the hospital even after I was covered just for expenses 8,000 for x-rays, 800 for a knee brace, 4,000 for one test 9,000 for another test. I am lucky I was even covered otherwise I would be in debt. Maybe he actually did use some of his money to pay for this but that 30,000 could be more money on top of what already is even paid
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Post by Red Impact on May 19, 2013 12:53:14 GMT -5
I got a bill from the hospital even after I was covered just for expenses 8,000 for x-rays, 800 for a knee brace, 4,000 for one test 9,000 for another test. I am lucky I was even covered otherwise I would be in debt. Maybe he actually did use some of his money to pay for this but that 30,000 could be more money on top of what already is even paid Yeah, that's the other thing. 30,000 for two surgeries and all related costs is pretty low. It wouldn't surprise me if that was just the balance of what they could afford (hospitals are also notorious for overcharging and expecting payers to barter down to a more reasonable cost, so just about no one ever pays full price). |
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Post by Dan Gerous on May 19, 2013 13:27:46 GMT -5
Zema Ion is only 200 bucks a show from what I'm told, to put it in perspective.
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Post by Brian Suntan on May 19, 2013 13:40:01 GMT -5
William Regal, I believe. When he had his heart issues years ago. Would rehab count? They pay for that. Yeah, I think they also covered dependents as well. Fit Finaly's wife had breast cancer and I believe they covered her treatment as well. They paid 35k for Paul Bearer's gastric bypass surgery before he came back in 2003. I feel bad for Ion, but the system is more to blame than TNA I think. The fact that one unlucky bout of illness can plunge you thousands of pounds into debt seems mind-blowing to me. Also, more proof if ever there was any needed that pro-wrestling is not a business you want to be sticking around in. Get in, live the dream, get out. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 19, 2013 14:47:59 GMT -5
Zema Ion is only 200 bucks a show from what I'm told, to put it in perspective. Someone on a British forum mentioned meeting him at some Backstage TNA Pass thing when they were over for the UK tour. He apparently showed them photos of his car packed full to the brim and said he was living in it for a while when him and his girlfriend split. He said people would not believe a TV star was living in his car, but it was true. |
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Post by Talent Name on May 19, 2013 14:55:54 GMT -5
Zema Ion is only 200 bucks a show from what I'm told, to put it in perspective. Someone on a British forum mentioned meeting him at some Backstage TNA Pass thing when they were over for the UK tour. He apparently showed them photos of his car packed full to the brim and said he was living in it for a while when him and his girlfriend split. He said people would not believe a TV star was living in his car, but it was true. That was actually how Mick Foley used to travel from show to show living in his car |
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Post by CrazySting on May 19, 2013 18:02:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think they also covered dependents as well. Fit Finaly's wife had breast cancer and I believe they covered her treatment as well. They paid 35k for Paul Bearer's gastric bypass surgery before he came back in 2003. I feel bad for Ion, but the system is more to blame than TNA I think. The fact that one unlucky bout of illness can plunge you thousands of pounds into debt seems mind-blowing to me. Also, more proof if ever there was any needed that pro-wrestling is not a business you want to be sticking around in. Get in, live the dream, get out. I agree the system is totally F'D up. Not getting into politics here, but no first world country should ever have someone lying in total agony on the floor for nine hours because they can't afford the hospital trip and don't want to go. But still, TNA are backed by a billion dollar company. Dixie is so rich her dad can let her blow tens of millions on a wrestling company simply because she likes running it. They can easily help. They're choosing not to. That says it all. |
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Post by SOR on May 19, 2013 18:43:41 GMT -5
If he exhausted his savings I'd be all for him THEN asking the fans or TNA or Wrestlers for assistance. It just seems to me that he's gone to hospital with this serious thing (And I feel 100% bad for him I hope nobody gets me wrong) and as soon as he's in there it's immediately a cash grab. Wrestling fans are relatively generous but every guy does this these days. Marty Jannetty was doing it earlier this year I believe in regards to his ankle. Jake Roberts wants the fans to fund his knee surgery or whatever it is. Other wrestlers want the fans to buy them gifts, buy them holidays etc etc. After awhile the cash grab from wrestlers get's a little old. I think this is more of a case of Zema trying not to spend a lot of his money and instead take from the fans. Using him for an indy date wouldn't be that cheap and being a current TV guy he'd do well in merch on the indies. TNA also would be giving him a cheque he's probably doing a lot better financially than a lot of us think. I live in Australia. Honestly though you can't compare him to a regular guy in his mid 20's (Although someone in ther mid 20's should have a decent amount of savings) I mean I brought up the Journalism thing because I figre he may do something part time for some cash but honestly the guy would be making well over a thousand a week from TNA and the indies. A guy like Ion can command 250-300 bucks a night from an indy and he doesn't seem to have a lack of dates. He probably gets around the same from TNA (If not more) and this is before he sells a single T-Shirt, Autographed Photo or DVD. I feel bad for him in this situation because being sick sucks but he should of had some savings to rely on instead of having to go straight to the cash grab from the fans. Australia sounds like a sweet place to live if most 20 something's have 30k in the bank. It is NOT like that in the US unfortunately. College debt is crazy out here. Most people's net worth is hard in the red and freelancers in wrestling have a hard go of it. The IRS has very little sympathy for freelancers. On top of that only a small percentage of indie wrestlers can actually make a living off their bookings. Travel, lodging, food, car rental, etc will eat through $300 for an indie date pretty quick. Most 20 somethings could have 30k in the bank by their mid 20's here but they just don't save, As for indy guys, Someone said Ion makes 200 a night but if you figure he works a weekend of shows that's 600 bucks. He's probably going to walk away with 400 in merch over the weekend because he's a TV guy. The promoter usually covers travel and hotel so Zema is probably paying for food, gym and general travel costs. Throw in TNA money which is probably around the 200-300 range and it's not a bad living. Not a millionaire but most of that money would be tax free. They paid 35k for Paul Bearer's gastric bypass surgery before he came back in 2003. I feel bad for Ion, but the system is more to blame than TNA I think. The fact that one unlucky bout of illness can plunge you thousands of pounds into debt seems mind-blowing to me. Also, more proof if ever there was any needed that pro-wrestling is not a business you want to be sticking around in. Get in, live the dream, get out. But still, TNA are backed by a billion dollar company. Dixie is so rich her dad can let her blow tens of millions on a wrestling company simply because she likes running it. They can easily help. They're choosing not to. That says it all. Dixie isn't really blowing money though, TNA makes money although it's apparently quite small. If they started paying everyones medical bills they wouldn't remain in the black for very long. |
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Post by CrazySting on May 19, 2013 18:54:58 GMT -5
She gave Jenna Morasca $500,000 and pays Hogan $35,000 a show despite the fact he does nothing whatsoever for TNA's business. Yes, she blows money. And saving Zema Ion's life from being ruined by massive debt is a far more worthwhile use of that money.
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Post by Red Impact on May 19, 2013 19:07:34 GMT -5
Australia sounds like a sweet place to live if most 20 something's have 30k in the bank. It is NOT like that in the US unfortunately. College debt is crazy out here. Most people's net worth is hard in the red and freelancers in wrestling have a hard go of it. The IRS has very little sympathy for freelancers. On top of that only a small percentage of indie wrestlers can actually make a living off their bookings. Travel, lodging, food, car rental, etc will eat through $300 for an indie date pretty quick. Most 20 somethings could have 30k in the bank by their mid 20's here but they just don't save, As for indy guys, Someone said Ion makes 200 a night but if you figure he works a weekend of shows that's 600 bucks. He's probably going to walk away with 400 in merch over the weekend because he's a TV guy. The promoter usually covers travel and hotel so Zema is probably paying for food, gym and general travel costs. Throw in TNA money which is probably around the 200-300 range and it's not a bad living. Not a millionaire but most of that money would be tax free. 400 for merch a weekend is... very generous, to say the least. Just because he's on TV doesn't mean people are lining up for his merch. If he's only making 200 per booking, and you're assuming he's booked every weekend night all year long which is another really big assumption, he's probably not making double that in merch. I think you're putting his stock as someone who appears occasionally on TV a bit high. He's not this huge name who's going to be attracting legions of fans anywhere he goes. We don't even know if he has merch to set out, the likelihood that people are flocking for Zema Ion arm bands are really low. As for what the booker provides, that probably varies widely. WWE doesn't even provide the full travel costs unless they're on an international tour. I doubt average indy booker is going to be able to provide travel for everyone, and Zema Ion is just barely above random indy name. I think you're overestimating his earnings quite a bit. And I'll say this as someone who did save a ton, I didn't have anywhere close to 30K in the bank. I did have better savings than most, yes, but I wasn't making enough to have 30K by 25. Most people won't. The job market in the US is really tough right now, there's a lot more to people having little in the bank than them not being frugal. |
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Post by SOR on May 19, 2013 19:22:54 GMT -5
I guess Ion's merch would come down to how much the show is drawing but I don't think it's that odd to suggest he might sell 10-15 8X10's a night considering he used to be TNA X-Division Champion.
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Post by Sam Punk on May 19, 2013 19:27:57 GMT -5
Crowdfunding worked for Daffney so I don't see why wouldn't it work for Ion.
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Post by Talent Name on May 19, 2013 19:35:41 GMT -5
I guess Ion's merch would come down to how much the show is drawing but I don't think it's that odd to suggest he might sell 10-15 8X10's a night considering he used to be TNA X-Division Champion. He really isn't booked though every night though and not everyone want's a Ion 8x10 though. He hasn't been on tv in almost two months and may not have even done shows. Also not all promoters pay for a wrestler's lodgings or travel or food. |
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