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Post by KobashiChop on Aug 18, 2013 8:13:04 GMT -5
I agree with his point. But by his standards, should Eddie Guerrero have not been a wrestler? At a guess, it may not sit well with him that a guy he looked upto died as a result of complications stemming from years of drug abuse, and perhaps that's one of the reasons he lashes out over drug use. Or perhaps he really is one of these hardline edge guys after all.
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Post by cahuette on Aug 18, 2013 8:17:32 GMT -5
The only problem I see in this thread is that Punk uses twitter way too much.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2013 8:22:39 GMT -5
He comes across as pretty abrasive to those against his views on Twitter, but to be fair, it's not like you're seeing the other person's Tweets that led to his response in most cases.
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Post by KobashiChop on Aug 18, 2013 8:27:17 GMT -5
He comes across as pretty abrasive to those against his views on Twitter, but to be fair, it's not like you're seeing the other person's Tweets that led to his response in most cases. Yeah, people are shocking on Twitter. Just the all round stupidity is unbelievable. So many people ask celebrities what their favourite colour is, or they beg for RTs and follows. And then bitch them out for not feeding their attention whoring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 8:27:58 GMT -5
So is it just me who can't get on wrestlezone.com (the op link)
haven't been able to get on that site for ages
bit more on topic most of his religon bashing is in reply to people on twitter who don't show much respect
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 8:31:48 GMT -5
If being friends with Austin is tantamount to being okay with domestic abuse, should Austin just have no friends? Is The Rock okay with domestic abuse? That's where the connection fails. The only difference is that Rock is less outspoken on twitter.
As for Eddie, he was clean when he died, so he knew he had an addiction and he was fighting it. That seems like something Punk would respect.
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Post by driver8 on Aug 18, 2013 8:37:07 GMT -5
In an everyday situation, someone who is against domestic violence having a friend who may have a past that includes committing it is not out of the realms of possibility.
But if that person broadcasts to the world that he wants to fight a different person because they've been involved in domestic violence, it might seem a little strange.
I'm not saying the first example isn't possible, it's Punk that's drawn the argument in such hyperbolic, black and white terms. That's where I get confused. He draws very black and white rules, then seems to break them. Like I said, if he feels that strongly about it, it shouldn't matter who does it.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Aug 18, 2013 8:50:18 GMT -5
Eddie and Austin were both major WWE stars. And I'm pretty sure Punk likes his job and doesn't want to rock the boat when it comes to his assumingly comfortable career position.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 8:52:01 GMT -5
He comes across as pretty abrasive to those against his views on Twitter, but to be fair, it's not like you're seeing the other person's Tweets that led to his response in most cases. A lot of them are dumb. That doesn't make him entitled to bash ALL people of various groups for a few idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 8:52:32 GMT -5
In an everyday situation, someone who is against domestic violence having a friend who may have a past that includes committing it is not out of the realms of possibility. But if that person broadcasts to the world that he wants to fight a different person because they've been involved in domestic violence, it might seem a little strange. I'm not saying the first example isn't possible, it's Punk that's drawn the argument in such hyperbolic, black and white terms. That's where I get confused. He draws very black and white rules, then seems to break them. Like I said, if he feels that strongly about it, it shouldn't matter who does it. Overall it just feels like 2 different aspects of one's personality, who you're friends with and how much you like to rant and over-react about current events. I don't think he has to throw his friends under the bus if he wants to bitch about Chris Brown or PEDs in baseball, that's an unrealistic expectation. I do see your point, I just don't feel the same way.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Aug 18, 2013 9:20:30 GMT -5
In an everyday situation, someone who is against domestic violence having a friend who may have a past that includes committing it is not out of the realms of possibility. But if that person broadcasts to the world that he wants to fight a different person because they've been involved in domestic violence, it might seem a little strange. I'm not saying the first example isn't possible, it's Punk that's drawn the argument in such hyperbolic, black and white terms. That's where I get confused. He draws very black and white rules, then seems to break them. Like I said, if he feels that strongly about it, it shouldn't matter who does it. Overall it just feels like 2 different aspects of one's personality, who you're friends with and how much you like to rant and over-react about current events. I don't think he has to throw his friends under the bus if he wants to bitch about Chris Brown or PEDs in baseball, that's an unrealistic expectation. I do see your point, I just don't feel the same way. So if he were friends with Chris Brown prior to the violence he would have just brushed it off? That is hypocrisy. You can either care passionately about an issue or you don't. Does he just care about domestic violence when it doesn't involve his friends? Same for steroids? The disconnect is in his seeming passion when people he doesn't know are violating his supposed life code, and the nonchalance he has over said code when people close to him violate it. It looks like he is a big phony.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 18, 2013 9:20:57 GMT -5
I also think there's a wide gulf of difference in using PEDS in professional wrestling vs. using them in a real competition like MLB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 9:25:49 GMT -5
Overall it just feels like 2 different aspects of one's personality, who you're friends with and how much you like to rant and over-react about current events. I don't think he has to throw his friends under the bus if he wants to bitch about Chris Brown or PEDs in baseball, that's an unrealistic expectation. I do see your point, I just don't feel the same way. So if he were friends with Chris Brown prior to the violence he would have just brushed it off? That is hypocrisy. You can either care passionately about an issue or you don't. Does he just care about domestic violence when it doesn't involve his friends? Same for steroids? The disconnect is in his seeming passion when people he doesn't know are violating his supposed life code, and the nonchalance he has over said code when people close to him violate it. It looks like he is a big phony. Again...how do we know about this nonchalance. If he was friends with Chris Brown, and Chris Brown beat his girlfriend, he's not going to go on twitter about it. You deal with your friends privately.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Aug 18, 2013 9:26:25 GMT -5
I also think there's a wide gulf of difference in using PEDS in professional wrestling vs. using them in a real competition like MLB. The WWE is a competition even if the outcomes are fixed.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Aug 18, 2013 9:28:35 GMT -5
So if he were friends with Chris Brown prior to the violence he would have just brushed it off? That is hypocrisy. You can either care passionately about an issue or you don't. Does he just care about domestic violence when it doesn't involve his friends? Same for steroids? The disconnect is in his seeming passion when people he doesn't know are violating his supposed life code, and the nonchalance he has over said code when people close to him violate it. It looks like he is a big phony. Again...how do we know about this nonchalance. If he was friends with Chris Brown, and Chris Brown beat his girlfriend, he's not going to go on twitter about it. You deal with your friends privately. We know because he wants to work with Austin. He's said time and time again Austin is a guy he wants to work with and has heaped praise on him. When you publicly in kayfabe and out, praise a guy we know you have some heavy nonchalance for your code. There is no way to avoid this contradiction.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 9:37:03 GMT -5
Again...how do we know about this nonchalance. If he was friends with Chris Brown, and Chris Brown beat his girlfriend, he's not going to go on twitter about it. You deal with your friends privately. We know because he wants to work with Austin. He's said time and time again Austin is a guy he wants to work with and has heaped praise on him. When you publicly in kayfabe and out, praise a guy we know you have some heavy nonchalance for your code. There is no way to avoid this contradiction. He's not praising domestic violence though. Praising Steve Austin does not = being cool with domestic violence. That connection has to be true to paint Punk as this huge hypocrite. If it is true, then anyone who praises Steve Austin, or god forbid be his friend, is either a hypocrite or they're cool with domestic violence.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2013 9:40:14 GMT -5
He comes across as pretty abrasive to those against his views on Twitter, but to be fair, it's not like yo ther person's Tweets that led to his response in most cases. A lot of them are dumb. That doesn't make him entitled to bash ALL people of various groups for a few idiots. I can agree there.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2013 9:42:20 GMT -5
I also think there's using PEDS in professional wrestling vs. using them in a real competition like MLB. The WWE is a competition even if the outcomes are fixed. No it isn't, anymore than any job is if you're saying they compete for spots. It's a show otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 9:43:47 GMT -5
Well, Twitter wasn't even around during Austin and Gurerro's incidents, so he might have tweeted some stuff, but generally - and I don't follow Punk on twitter so I can't say for sure - Punk doesn't seem to talk any non-kayfaybe smack about wrestlers does he?
I've heard of him going off on other sports/celebs, but he seems to stay hands-off when it comes to wrestling in general.
Anyone who follows him on Twitter - is this the case?
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 18, 2013 9:46:26 GMT -5
He's so mean. Someone should tell him, and maybe he'll stop.
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