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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 18, 2013 9:56:46 GMT -5
"There seems to be this weird moral debate about what exactly is cheating. If you're on a list from some fancy bourgeoisie pharmacy, you're doing drugs. Regardless of what your personal stance is on that in the guidelines of Major League Baseball, there are banned substances. I don't care if you like the rule. If you're a baseball player, follow the rule. If you don't like it, don't be a baseball player." I agree completely with what he says there. Fail to see the issue. Did Punk make those comments about the "fancy bourgeoisie" pharmacy from his own private tour bus?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 10:57:54 GMT -5
CM Punk has been a tool from day 1 honestly, none of this is new.
I like what his character does on TV. I definitely have no interest in meeting him though.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 18, 2013 11:04:05 GMT -5
Punk is a douche. Even when he's right, he's still a douche.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 11:11:28 GMT -5
I don't know it's sort of like this. Everyone has a long time close friend who is either a scumbag or did awful things. You're still friends with him or hang out with him. But when you see a scumbag you don't know you just get really f***ing angry.
We tend to ignore the flaws and mistakes of our friends unless they personally hurt you but you feel personally violated when you see a guy who looks like Bieber wearing a loose muscle shirt and crocs.
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Post by mo on Aug 18, 2013 11:14:15 GMT -5
Oh yeah, well I bet if CM Punk said this stuff all of you workrate IWC smarks would be praising it!!!
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Aug 18, 2013 11:19:33 GMT -5
Again, not following his twitter that closely, what bigotry has he been guilty of, to your mind? Religious? Otherwise? He called the Pope a Nazi. That's bigoted, defamatory and ignorant. Not really, But for obvious reasons I can't go into it. Punk says things some people don't like, Related link: Scientists find water to be wet.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 18, 2013 11:25:19 GMT -5
If being friends with Austin is tantamount to being okay with domestic abuse, should Austin just have no friends? Is The Rock okay with domestic abuse? That's where the connection fails. The only difference is that Rock is less outspoken on twitter. Let's take Austin out of the equation completely. At the same time Punk was challenging Chris Brown to a duel, Charlie Sheen (a documented serial abuser AND addict, mind you) was set to be "Twitter Ambassador" for RAW 1000. To this day, I've never heard Punk say a word on Sheen in general. Why? Because no one else was speaking out on Sheen, but everybody hates Chris Brown. To quote, from page one: CM Punk takes tough stances on easy targets. I can find that off-putting.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 18, 2013 11:34:10 GMT -5
"There seems to be this weird moral debate about what exactly is cheating. If you're on a list from some fancy bourgeoisie pharmacy, you're doing drugs. Regardless of what your personal stance is on that in the guidelines of Major League Baseball, there are banned substances. I don't care if you like the rule. If you're a baseball player, follow the rule. If you don't like it, don't be a baseball player." I agree completely with what he says there. Fail to see the issue. Did Punk make those comments about the "fancy bourgeoisie" pharmacy from his own private tour bus? That he bought with his own money. He's not paying off mark doctors. As for other things in this thread: Austin has gone on record (on Confidential) about how wrong he was and how he f***ed up and was in a bad place. He didn't glorify his beating of Debra since, and has never done anything like that again. He's reformed. Chris Brown is an arrogant, entitled, unapologetic douchebag whose entire fanbase defend him and even say on occasion, if it were them, they wouldn't mine being beat by Brown. Right now he's anything but sympathetic because of his arrogance and attitude. Austin however has over a decade now without incident and is a completely likeable and amiable dude. As for Eddie, I don't think Punk's ever made excuses for his drug use. He's just been a fan of his work. Eddie's dead now because of the very lifestyle Punk despises, after all. So why would he even need to criticize him? He's proof of Punk's philosophy being right. And I don't understand why so many people get SO angry by Punk's statements. I love it. He reminds me of comedian Bill Burr. He says things that are usually true, but in a condescending way that seems to unnerve or anger milquetoast people. He's not worth being offended or angered by. If you are, it probably means you don't really have any true conviction in your beliefs. Because true faith or belief is unshaken by criticism.
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Post by hossfan on Aug 18, 2013 11:39:10 GMT -5
Did Punk make those comments about the "fancy bourgeoisie" pharmacy from his own private tour bus? That he bought with his own money. He's not paying off mark doctors. As for other things in this thread: Austin has gone on record (on Confidential) about how wrong he was and how he f***ed up and was in a bad place. He didn't glorify his beating of Debra since, and has never done anything like that again. He's reformed. Chris Brown is an arrogant, entitled, unapologetic douchebag whose entire fanbase defend him and even say on occasion, if it were them, they wouldn't mine being beat by Brown. Right now he's anything but sympathetic because of his arrogance and attitude. Austin however has over a decade now without incident and is a completely likeable and amiable dude. As for Eddie, I don't think Punk's ever made excuses for his drug use. He's just been a fan of his work. Eddie's dead now because of the very lifestyle Punk despises, after all. So why would he even need to criticize him? He's proof of Punk's philosophy being right. And I don't understand why so many people get SO angry by Punk's statements. I love it. He reminds me of comedian Bill Burr. He says things that are usually true, but in a condescending way that seems to unnerve or anger milquetoast people. He's not worth being offended or angered by. If you are, it probably means you don't really have any true conviction in your beliefs. Because true faith or belief is unshaken by criticism.Or it can mean you think he's a fraud trying to play up his image as a guy who speaks hard truths while avoiding real controversy.
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Post by muzzle on Aug 18, 2013 11:47:27 GMT -5
How is opposing religion bigoted? Isn't it actually seen that religion causes bigotry, e.g. homophobia.
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Post by IMPRESSIVE knightwing1047 on Aug 18, 2013 11:47:36 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Punk is separating their private lives from their professional lives. I think it's possible to respect and follow a guy's work from the choices he makes personally. Maybe Punk feels like Austin and Eddie have paid their debt to society for their issues... of course in Eddie's case, he paid the biggest price. Not that I'm saying he can't come across as abrasive- he even admits that.
I do feel like someone like him who defends his personal beliefs to such an almost hostile degree would be able to respect what others believe in. I think when he attacks religious folks with such contempt seems to go against his M.O.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 18, 2013 11:57:27 GMT -5
How is opposing religion bigoted? Isn't it actually seen that religion causes bigotry, e.g. homophobia. No, bigotry causes bigotry. The very same religion used to demonize and criminalized homosexuality by some has been used to defend LGBT people by others. And it's not like there aren't any irreligious homophobes. And that's the most I'm willing to say on that because I like being not banned.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Aug 18, 2013 11:57:27 GMT -5
Eye, whatever. I'm a firm believer in the idea of casual/safe recreational drug use. Punk's obviously not going to share a lot of my opinions, but I really don't care what the man thinks. He's one of my favorite wrestlers of all time but I certainly wouldn't let the man influence my beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 12:05:15 GMT -5
I don't care about any of Punks "hypocrisy" because everyone is a hypocrite in some way.
I do think that he doesnt handle displaying his opinions well. Its almost like he gets off on being a dick on Twitter, like most of the shit he gets is probably increased by giving them attention...I mean I'm sure all wrestlers get tons of shit like that, but they're all smart enough to ignore it 90% of the time. He's either stupid and thinks he's "telling haters off/teaching everyone a lesson", despite that method not working at all, or he just gets his jollies from openly mocking 13 year olds on the internet. I keep waiting for him to bust out a "fight me irl" to someone
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 18, 2013 12:08:42 GMT -5
I really don't find anything offensive about a guy being outspoken and opinionated. He's human. It's what we do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 12:15:01 GMT -5
I really don't find anything offensive about a guy being outspoken and opinionated. He's human. It's what we do. There's a difference between being "outspoken and opinionated" and just being a douche.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 18, 2013 12:24:41 GMT -5
That he bought with his own money. He's not paying off mark doctors. As for other things in this thread: Austin has gone on record (on Confidential) about how wrong he was and how he f***ed up and was in a bad place. He didn't glorify his beating of Debra since, and has never done anything like that again. He's reformed. Chris Brown is an arrogant, entitled, unapologetic douchebag whose entire fanbase defend him and even say on occasion, if it were them, they wouldn't mine being beat by Brown. Right now he's anything but sympathetic because of his arrogance and attitude. Austin however has over a decade now without incident and is a completely likeable and amiable dude. As for Eddie, I don't think Punk's ever made excuses for his drug use. He's just been a fan of his work. Eddie's dead now because of the very lifestyle Punk despises, after all. So why would he even need to criticize him? He's proof of Punk's philosophy being right. And I don't understand why so many people get SO angry by Punk's statements. I love it. He reminds me of comedian Bill Burr. He says things that are usually true, but in a condescending way that seems to unnerve or anger milquetoast people. He's not worth being offended or angered by. If you are, it probably means you don't really have any true conviction in your beliefs. Because true faith or belief is unshaken by criticism.Or it can mean you think he's a fraud trying to play up his image as a guy who speaks hard truths while avoiding real controversy. Even if that's true, which I don't think it is, I think he's just condescending, why should it bother people so much? Why is it worth getting so passionately worked up? I think that someone like say Donald Trump is the biggest imbecile on earth for what he says, but I'm not going to be threatened or angered by his views. I just take solace in the fact that I believe him an idiot. That's good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 12:25:14 GMT -5
If being friends with Austin is tantamount to being okay with domestic abuse, should Austin just have no friends? Is The Rock okay with domestic abuse? That's where the connection fails. The only difference is that Rock is less outspoken on twitter. Let's take Austin out of the equation completely. At the same time Punk was challenging Chris Brown to a duel, Charlie Sheen (a documented serial abuser AND addict, mind you) was set to be "Twitter Ambassador" for RAW 1000. To this day, I've never heard Punk say a word on Sheen in general. Why? Because no one else was speaking out on Sheen, but everybody hates Chris Brown. To quote, from page one: CM Punk takes tough stances on easy targets. I can find that off-putting. That I get, but it's still "you said this about this guy why not about this guy", and there's always going to be someone else he could've called out for something. Taking someone at twitter-value isn't going to give you the whole picture.
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Post by salsashark on Aug 18, 2013 12:26:14 GMT -5
Did Punk make those comments about the "fancy bourgeoisie" pharmacy from his own private tour bus? And I don't understand why so many people get SO angry by Punk's statements. I love it. He reminds me of comedian Bill Burr. He says things that are usually true, but in a condescending way that seems to unnerve or anger milquetoast people. He's not worth being offended or angered by. If you are, it probably means you don't really have any true conviction in your beliefs. Because true faith or belief is unshaken by criticism. This makes so many assumptions about people who dislike or disagree with Punk that it's mind-boggling. If you want to play the jump to conclusions game here, I could say that people who back Punk so hard and unflaggingly on something like this--something that clearly indicates his desire to always go after easy targets and speak up only when it suits him--are overbearing marks who can't bring themselves to say that their hero is imperfect. These people also believe it's better to be sanctimonious, self-involved, and arrogant instead of taking a hard look in the mirror on one's stances and realizing that the pieces don't always add up. If Bill Burr or Punk or whoever condescends, they will lose a lot of people who believe in them because people don't like assholes--especially ones that try to talk down to them. Look at the responses in this thread along the lines of 'Punk is right, but he's still a dick.' I'd much rather agree with someone is rational and has thought through their beliefs than someone who jumps at easy targets. People don't like assholes. That's why they're called assholes, and that's why people get offended by having to hear them condescend. Generalizing opposing views with such a broad, easy stroke does no one any good, especially when there's some nuance to the situation, as there clearly is with this deal with Punk. "True faith or beliefs" is such a silly, cop-out phrase. First off, if Punk had really, really strong "true faith or beliefs," he would patently refuse to put over or work with someone who had these issues, and he would call everyone out because that's what he does. I mean, Vince McMahon was once involved with an alleged drug scene and a steroid scandal and has been rumored to support or OK all kinds of nasty shit. Why would Punk even feel it's cool to work for his company and make McMahon money considering McMahon's history and--if the dirt sheets are to be believed--the lack of changed behavior on his part? I love Punk as a wrestler and respect him for his hard work and appreciate that he has strong beliefs he'll go to bat for, but as a human being/out-of-ring professional, I have no doubt he knows where his bread is buttered, and that's why you're not going to hear him go to war against someone like Charlie Sheen when the man is on the same program as him that week. If he would do something like that, he'd still be an asshole, but I'd be more endeared to him because he would clearly put his money where his mouth is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 12:35:19 GMT -5
Punk is a great performer but he believes in his own bullshit so much that its hilarious.
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