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Post by sdoyle7798 on Aug 28, 2013 18:10:22 GMT -5
HHH - Darth Vader Vince - The Emperor SHIELD - Stormtroopers Steph - The Death Star's trench It's all making sense now. Who's Orton? I would have used Khali as Chewbacca personally, maybe he can be a random Wookie though. Has to be Khali. He already speaks Wookie.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 28, 2013 18:45:03 GMT -5
I think it should be more like "The Room"
Bryan = Johnny HHH = Lisa Orton = Mark
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Aug 28, 2013 19:24:41 GMT -5
He will. Cena returns to be Vince's proxy at 'Mania and beats HHH for control of the company (or loses to him, whichever way you wanna go) meanwhile Daniel Bryan beats Randy Orton to win the WWE Championship in the other main event. It overshadows Bryan's moment in my opinion so it isn't how I'd book it but I reckon that is the way WWE will book it. How is it possible for Cena to overshadow someone that, to quote Smokey, knocked him the f*** out and pinned him clean as a sheet to take his title? Bryan is being established as a main eventer already, so I don't see how it would make him look less than capable if Cena helped in an endeavor that's obviously going to require the effort of more than one person- that being toppling the HHH regime. Personally, because I believe beating Cena legitimised Bryan as a main event player. His 'Mania moment should, in essence, cement him as one of the top guys (note: difference between main event player and one of the top guys is Sheamus is the former, Cena is the latter). That would overshadow his moment, it wouldn't ruin Bryan or bury him but it would overshadow his moment - a moment worthy of main eventing Wrestlemania in my opinion. But you couldn't have Bryan/Orton main event over a match for control of the company between Cena and HHH. Hence Bryan's moment being overshadowed, I don't think it would make him look less capable I just think his moment would be overshadowed - that's all I'm saying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 19:29:36 GMT -5
I think it should be more like "The Room" Bryan = Johnny HHH = Lisa Orton = Mark Then who's Denny (Dinny, Danny, Donny)?
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 28, 2013 19:31:19 GMT -5
How is it possible for Cena to overshadow someone that, to quote Smokey, knocked him the f*** out and pinned him clean as a sheet to take his title? Bryan is being established as a main eventer already, so I don't see how it would make him look less than capable if Cena helped in an endeavor that's obviously going to require the effort of more than one person- that being toppling the HHH regime. Because it's Cena. He'll return to be the big hero, take down the Corporation, be the top star again, Bryan will be demoted back to the upper mid-card and the whole Status Quo will resume as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 19:32:36 GMT -5
I think it should be more like "The Room" Bryan = Johnny HHH = Lisa Orton = Mark Then who's Denny (Dinny, Danny, Donny)? Brad Maddox
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 19:37:38 GMT -5
Then who's Denny (Dinny, Danny, Donny)? Brad Maddox Love it. So Ryback is Chris R.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Aug 28, 2013 19:42:46 GMT -5
Cena has already usurped one angle where someone takes on the corporate machine of WWE. Again, how did an angle that started with a CM Punk promo being pissed off with WWE management and Cena as the symbol of his ire (which then Punk then negated with one of his heel promos earlier this year because fans weren't buying into the turn) turn into an angle where John Cena had issues with Johnny Ace and the Big Show? The same thing will happen here. Bryan was the one who was screwed out of the WWE title by Triple H and Randy Orton, but by the end of it the blow-off will be something along the lines of Cena giving the Attitude Adjustment to Stephanie McMahon or Brad Maddox. Bryan will likely become the 1C babyface underneath people like Cena or Punk (and I'm being generous when I put Punk as 1B given how he had his jets cooled back in 2011 post-Summerslam).
It'd be at least a little fresh if Cena came back and formed a new Two Man Power Trip with Orton and with Triple H in the McMahon role. Then Bryan could team up with somebody (Punk? Ziggler?) to back him up throughout the fall. Bryan wins the Rumble and guns for Orton, whereas Triple H goads Cena into a match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania as an act of revenge. Punk takes out the Shield for good with Ziggler's help, and then throw darts at a wall to figure out the rest.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 28, 2013 19:47:19 GMT -5
Depending on how scheduling works out with Cena's injury, I think he should come back and feud with Orton/HHH/The Corporation for a PPV or two, but not succeed in toppling them, and move onto another angle for Wrestlemania, like he did when feuding with heel Punk last fall.
Cena vs the new big bads is definitely a no-brainer, but I don't think he should be the guy to definitively beat them. That seems like a role for one of the unconventional nonconformist types being held down in kayfabe, like Bryan or Punk, instead of a clean-cut guy who HHH and Vince didn't seem to have any problem with.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 28, 2013 19:53:14 GMT -5
why does just the thought of John Cena just make some people go so insane?
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 28, 2013 19:58:46 GMT -5
why does just the thought of John Cena just make some people go so insane?
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 28, 2013 20:15:37 GMT -5
why does just the thought of John Cena just make some people go so insane? Because some people have a bad feeling that instead of DB overcoming the Corporation, Superman will return and do it instead.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 28, 2013 20:27:08 GMT -5
Cena has already usurped one angle where someone takes on the corporate machine of WWE. Again, how did an angle that started with a CM Punk promo being pissed off with WWE management and Cena as the symbol of his ire (which then Punk then negated with one of his heel promos earlier this year because fans weren't buying into the turn) turn into an angle where John Cena had issues with Johnny Ace and the Big Show? The same thing will happen here. Bryan was the one who was screwed out of the WWE title by Triple H and Randy Orton, but by the end of it the blow-off will be something along the lines of Cena giving the Attitude Adjustment to Stephanie McMahon or Brad Maddox. Bryan will likely become the 1C babyface underneath people like Cena or Punk (and I'm being generous when I put Punk as 1B given how he had his jets cooled back in 2011 post-Summerslam). It'd be at least a little fresh if Cena came back and formed a new Two Man Power Trip with Orton and with Triple H in the McMahon role. Then Bryan could team up with somebody (Punk? Ziggler?) to back him up throughout the fall. Bryan wins the Rumble and guns for Orton, whereas Triple H goads Cena into a match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania as an act of revenge. Punk takes out the Shield for good with Ziggler's help, and then throw darts at a wall to figure out the rest. Why can't Cena just team with Bryan? Unless WWE plans to chuck out his entire belief system and nonsensically turn him heel, he's got no reason to be a wallflower here.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 28, 2013 20:38:20 GMT -5
The potential for a "Bash at the Beach" moment is there for Cena.
He comes back, everyone thinks "he's gonna help Daniel Bryan" but instead he turns heel and joins the Corporation
Internet melts down. YouTube explodes. Twitter implodes into a cyber black hole.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 28, 2013 20:55:46 GMT -5
I thought it was obvious who Orton is. Cold, bleak, emotionless, killing machine that's wielded by Triple H and Vince? Orton's the Death Star. Daniel Bryan - "Orton, you are the Death Star, and I'm gonna shoot my load into your exhaust port" I wanna be the Death Star!
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Aug 28, 2013 20:56:20 GMT -5
The potential for a "Bash at the Beach" moment is there for Cena. He comes back, everyone thinks "he's gonna help Daniel Bryan" but instead he turns heel and joins the Corporation Internet melts down. YouTube explodes. Twitter implodes into a cyber black hole. FAN erupts into outrage faster than when Christian lost the World Title to Orton.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 28, 2013 21:05:51 GMT -5
The potential for a "Bash at the Beach" moment is there for Cena. He comes back, everyone thinks "he's gonna help Daniel Bryan" but instead he turns heel and joins the Corporation Internet melts down. YouTube explodes. Twitter implodes into a cyber black hole. I don't want to see the internet melt down youTube explode or Twitter implode into a cyber black hole. I want consistent logical storytelling. Screw Bash at the Beach, none of the nWo big three ever got their comeuppance and they ended up ruining a company.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 28, 2013 21:10:16 GMT -5
The potential for a "Bash at the Beach" moment is there for Cena. He comes back, everyone thinks "he's gonna help Daniel Bryan" but instead he turns heel and joins the Corporation Internet melts down. YouTube explodes. Twitter implodes into a cyber black hole. I don't want to see the internet melt down youTube explode or Twitter implode into a cyber black hole. I want consistent logical storytelling. Screw Bash at the Beach, none of the nWo big three ever got their comeuppance and they ended up ruining a company. That's because Bischoff only had two money ideas. 1- Goldberg, 2- The NWO, and WCW neglected everything else by holding onto the NWO longer than they should have. If Cena's turn needs a logical basis, we already have one. He loves WWE more than anything else. In his mind, the rebels could be fighting against the thing he's most loyal to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 21:14:37 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan - "Orton, you are the Death Star, and I'm gonna shoot my load into your exhaust port" OH MY. Combine that with Big Show cutting promos in Wookie, I just got way too distracted to post anything else.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Aug 28, 2013 21:18:40 GMT -5
Cena has already usurped one angle where someone takes on the corporate machine of WWE. Again, how did an angle that started with a CM Punk promo being pissed off with WWE management and Cena as the symbol of his ire (which then Punk then negated with one of his heel promos earlier this year because fans weren't buying into the turn) turn into an angle where John Cena had issues with Johnny Ace and the Big Show? The same thing will happen here. Bryan was the one who was screwed out of the WWE title by Triple H and Randy Orton, but by the end of it the blow-off will be something along the lines of Cena giving the Attitude Adjustment to Stephanie McMahon or Brad Maddox. Bryan will likely become the 1C babyface underneath people like Cena or Punk (and I'm being generous when I put Punk as 1B given how he had his jets cooled back in 2011 post-Summerslam). It'd be at least a little fresh if Cena came back and formed a new Two Man Power Trip with Orton and with Triple H in the McMahon role. Then Bryan could team up with somebody (Punk? Ziggler?) to back him up throughout the fall. Bryan wins the Rumble and guns for Orton, whereas Triple H goads Cena into a match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania as an act of revenge. Punk takes out the Shield for good with Ziggler's help, and then throw darts at a wall to figure out the rest. Why can't Cena just team with Bryan? Unless WWE plans to chuck out his entire belief system and nonsensically turn him heel, he's got no reason to be a wallflower here. Make Cena jealous that Bryan beat him clean. Make him delusional over the fact that some indy guy beat WWE's top dog (given all the hoopla the company put into hyping the Summerslam match with THAT kind of content). Make Cena angry that the fans have taken to Bryan 100% while they still boo him even though he busts his ass night in and night out. Make Cena cut a promo that he's officially 'bought in' (sold out) because he doesn't have enough money, cars, houses, women, etc., and that he manipulated millions of people so that he could pad his wallet. It's not that hard to do a Cena turn. Cena's gimmick is past being stale to the point of being petrified. Why not have him do something different like work as a full-blown heel? There's already enough to his gimmick as is as a corporate merchandise-shilling asskiss that his character doesn't really need that much tweaking. "I will be behind WWE for the rest of my life. And who's WWE right now? Triple H." Boom. It's not that hard to book, and it's not even that non-sensical given the character's flip-flopping moral scruples. And that's simply dealing with the kayfabe issues. Practically, barring a match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, there is no match, no permutation of a match, and no combination of talent that I honestly care about Cena getting involved with. He's done it all: Wrestlemanias, countless title victories, movies, TV shows. How much more can he accomplish, honestly? And given the number of injuries he's had over the years (bicep, neck, elbow), I'd rather Cena start moving into post-2002 HBK territory, where he moves from the top spot and gives someone else a chance to shine, so that he doesn't end up in a wheelchair or worse. Cena should be passing the torch now (in spite of the fact that WWE spins it that Cena JUST got the torch this year from the Rock, which would be stupid if it wasn't so funny). Look, Cena's a great wrestler and can cut a great promo when he's serious (I hate his yelling-rambling promos) and doesn't abuse his spot to take shots at guys who have no chance of firing a comeback or retort at him (see: burying Ziggler's past gimmicks). But the dude's been 'the Man' of WWE since 2005. It's 2013. In this TV era, Cena's basically had three '1980s era Hulk Hogan' runs. How is Cena doing the same old, same old schtick riveting in any sort of way, other than 'well, he has great matches'? I want something different. Cena to me is not that. Bryan is. Bryan's hot right now, and if WWE can keep the fan support stoked, to then strap a rocket on Bryan come the Royal Rumble leading up to Wrestlemania, he'll be huge. Not just the 1C babyface of the company. And nowhere did I say that Cena had to be a wallflower in all this (with the exception of suggesting that he works HBK-style when it comes to his schedule). A heel turn would likely mean he'd be on TV just as much as he has been as a face. Hell, the proposed Cena/Taker match I suggested would likely main-event Wrestlemania 30 over Bryan/Orton (and honestly? rightfully so, because that match would be huge). Which in the end is fine if the goal in the end is to smash Bryan over as The Guy in the interim or as the end goal ('hey, Bryan beat Cena clean again! Cena, the guy who made the Undertaker tap out!'). And anyone can be The Guy with the right angle, the right booking, and the right amount of fan support. And right now, that's Daniel Bryan. Seriously, how much over does John Cena need to be? How much over does WWE need John Cena to be? It's absurd. He's the pinnacle. He's already hit his ceiling years ago. And while a new Corporation isn't the most novel of long-term storylines, it's a bit different having Bryan in the driver's seat for it than Cena. Change is as good as a rest. Right now, Cena's resting because of injury. Why not change his booking when he comes back on top of that? Watching John Cena play the conquering hero (again) in the end feels like it's justified with a simple shoulder shrug. "Well, because Cena." And for me, "because Cena" isn't good enough, let alone as an argument, especially when he's in the way of someone who has the potential to be the next major babyface of the company, the next 'Man', if you will. Hell, I even jumped through the "hey, Cena's a good wrestler, guys" hoop, because a) it's true, he is a good wrestler, and b) people still think that if you hate Cena as a character it's because of everything but the fact that watching a Cena main-event program from 2005 dealing with Bischoff's shenanigans and a Cena main-event program from 2013 dealing with Vince McMahon and Triple H's shenanigans is basically a re-run that I've already seen many, many times.
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