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Post by Indiana Miz on Sept 10, 2013 12:23:24 GMT -5
I really like Del Rio, but WWE doesn't put enough effort into anything he does. With a decent storyline and less predictable booking he'd probably be a lot more over.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 10, 2013 12:25:37 GMT -5
They have rehashed the Million Dollar Man gimmick, but they never let him be outrageous with it. DiBiase was a riot as a rich man abusing his wealth. JBL did it successfully too (the illegal immigrant round up on the Mexican border was hilarious), but Alberto is all talk and no action. He's rarely if ever shown using his wealth. They even stripped away his luxury cars. He needed that entrance.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 10, 2013 12:31:22 GMT -5
It amazes me just how bad they bungled Del Rio.... He was white hot with his intro feud against Rey and the winning the royal rumble... Then he started the destiny stuff inthe lead up to Wrestlemania and lost... And then continued the destiny talk unchanged for like a year.... And people stopped caring He wins the title after money in the bank continues talking about destiny.... Then one week he becomes the delusional champion of the people and actually starts getting some reaction again... Only to drop it and become aggressive destiny man again... They turn him face randomly and it seems to have gotten over as a face decently enough... Then Ziggler gets into the title picture and pretty much kills that so they turn him heel again... And people go back to not caring fairly quick. They have rehashed the Million Dollar Man gimmick, but they never let him be outrageous with it. DiBiase was a riot as a rich man abusing his wealth. JBL did it successfully too (the illegal immigrant round up on the Mexican border was hilarious), but Alberto is all talk and no action. He's rarely if ever shown using his wealth. They even stripped away his luxury cars. He needed that entrance. Also this. Which was also my problem when they made Ted Jr. the million dollar man 2... It's like they forgot the basic principle of show don't tell. Or to paraphrase from Mick Foley's first book, you have to crack the whip occasionally or the audience will know you don't know how to.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Sept 10, 2013 12:39:29 GMT -5
Remember when Brodus was his body guard/flunky? That was cool.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 10, 2013 12:51:08 GMT -5
He's tall, speaks Spanish, and works WWE Main Event style. With Rey (almost literally) on his last legs, WWE needs a Latino star to represent the fastest growing demographic in North America. But they want said guy to have "WWE stature." They want a Mexican who fits their preferential mold. Hence Del Rio. The moment they find another 6'3" 260 pound movie star-esque Mexican they'll replace ADR. WWE's problem though is they won't think outside the box when it comes to their preferences.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 10, 2013 13:09:15 GMT -5
He's just mind-numbingly boring. It's the same shit every freaking week, and it's not even remotely interesting shit. "DESTINY!" *various kicks -> Cross Armbreaker which is held for a few seconds after the bell* "NEVER SEEN ADR SO AGGRESSIVE!" Ugh.
Also, surprised we haven't had "keepinitreal365" jumping in here to defend Del Rio.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 10, 2013 13:10:56 GMT -5
Remember that one RAW a while back ago where Del Rio wrestled Khali, and it ended up GAINING viewers?
Just a hilarious memory that suddenly came to me that I felt like sharing.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Sept 10, 2013 13:34:01 GMT -5
It isn't Del Rio himself that's the problem. The problem is they've had him as the WHC Champion for too long. I get why they can't do it now, but why exactly couldn't he go after the WWE Title after he lost the WHC belt when he was a face?
There's also the matter that execpt for those car-theft shenanigans with Sheamus around last May, they completely stopped giving him actual angles. Yeah, that feud went on too long and there was no reason they couldn't have him fight someone other than Sheamus, but ridiculous as it was it was at least something to flesh him out with. If anything, they should have had Sheamus vandalise his mansion or penthouse or wherever his character is supposed to live in. Yeah, yeah people would have complained that would make Sheamus the heel but it would have revealed more parts of Del Rio's character.
He can give a good promo, he dropped the "DESTINY" stuff, and he DID have more heat for a while after he turned heel on Ziggler. But with Ziggler becoming a side character in the current Corporation story after settling his business with Big E, Del Rio has been spinning his wheels. And while I think there might be good potential in the paring of Ricardo with RVD, it still takes away one of things about Del Rio that set him apart.
In fact this isn't even a problem with just Del Rio, it's a problem with the Tag, Diva, and the midcard divisions. There are way too many people on the roster they're not doing anything with. Sadly, I don't think that's Creative's fault, I have a feeling the writers HAVE come with some ideas for everyone, but either Vince or Kevin Dunn or one the other execs like Johnny Ace kept shooting them down. Vince at least listens to common sense once in a while and make them do something with Tamina, but the Yes Men he surrounds himself should be reminding him week to week who they're supposed to be pushing.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 10, 2013 14:16:13 GMT -5
He isn't overpushed. His storylines just have no purpose.
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Post by Branimal on Sept 10, 2013 14:23:06 GMT -5
He's just mind-numbingly boring. It's the same shit every freaking week, and it's not even remotely interesting shit. "DESTINY!" *various kicks -> Cross Armbreaker which is held for a few seconds after the bell* "NEVER SEEN ADR SO AGGRESSIVE!" Ugh. 100% agree. The guy is just a boring character, heel or face. It doesn't help that the title is pretty much meaningless in today's WWE. Associating that championship with a guy who can't get over to save his life isn't doing it any favors.
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Post by Glitch on Sept 10, 2013 14:23:48 GMT -5
I like how this thread was addressed to Vince. Like he reads this forum everyday.
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Post by Chip on Sept 10, 2013 14:28:38 GMT -5
It used to really bother me that Del Rio was the World Heavyweight Champion, nowadays I want him to keep it if only because it's the only thing keeping him out of the main event picture and away from the WWE title (which he's already won twice).
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Sept 10, 2013 14:29:58 GMT -5
When he debuted on Smackdown he was arrogant and rich but at least still heeled it up by attacking people etc.
He just doesn't do that much anymore. Apart from every month or so when he wheels out his new found aggression.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 10, 2013 14:34:56 GMT -5
He isn't overpushed. His storylines just have no purpose. He's virtually in the same boat Eve Torres was in for the longest; he's so "overpushed" that if someone gave you a million dollars to name one significant thing he's done during his "massive push," you'd walk out of that deal with no money. In fact, amazingly, they've managed to strip everything from him remotely resembling flair; his pyro, his car, Ricardo - he's this close to coming out in plain black tights and a nondescript Jimmy Hart nu-metal theme. Yet still, by mere process of being employed, people would still be talking about how "overpushed" he is...
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Sept 10, 2013 14:39:31 GMT -5
I just want him to have the same gimmick he had during the Christmas episode of Face Who Everybody Thinks Is a Heel. That was entertaining. Like he'd run out to save someone, and they would run away from him, and he would be like "NO WAIT GODDAMN IT I'M HERE TO HELP!" and sitcom stuff would happen.
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Post by gnr123 on Sept 10, 2013 15:04:33 GMT -5
It amazes me just how bad they bungled Del Rio.... He was white hot with his intro feud against Rey and the winning the royal rumble... Then he started the destiny stuff inthe lead up to Wrestlemania and lost... And then continued the destiny talk unchanged for like a year.... And people stopped caring He wins the title after money in the bank continues talking about destiny.... Then one week he becomes the delusional champion of the people and actually starts getting some reaction again... Only to drop it and become aggressive destiny man again... They turn him face randomly and it seems to have gotten over as a face decently enough... Then Ziggler gets into the title picture and pretty much kills that so they turn him heel again... And people go back to not caring fairly quick. They have rehashed the Million Dollar Man gimmick, but they never let him be outrageous with it. DiBiase was a riot as a rich man abusing his wealth. JBL did it successfully too (the illegal immigrant round up on the Mexican border was hilarious), but Alberto is all talk and no action. He's rarely if ever shown using his wealth. They even stripped away his luxury cars. He needed that entrance. Also this. Which was also my problem when they made Ted Jr. the million dollar man 2... It's like they forgot the basic principle of show don't tell. Or to paraphrase from Mick Foley's first book, you have to crack the whip occasionally or the audience will know you don't know how to. That's the thing that people fail to realize, his booking has been atrocious. They give him the Royal Rumble in his first year in the company, he loses at Wresltemania. He not only loses, but Edge and Christian smash up Del Rio's car, leaving Del RIo in tears which doesn't make sense because Del Rio never really did anything to deserve that kind of treatment. Than, they give him the MITB. Ok, that's cool. But he cashes it in RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the CM Punk storyline. Which makes no sense. Than, he loses it to Cena 2 weeks later, than regains it back before Punk beat him for it at Survivor Series. Than, he faced Sheamus multiple times in 2012, and never had a win. I don't think it's his character or his talent, but his booking. I think they pushed him way to early, I think if they were not going to have him win at WrestleMania, they should have never had him win the Rumble in 2011. It was just bad booking decision after bad booking decision for the guy. Now, he's more "AGGRESIVE!" than ever, but no one cares.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:10:14 GMT -5
He isn't overpushed. His storylines just have no purpose. He's virtually in the same boat Eve Torres was in for the longest; he's so "overpushed" that if someone gave you a million dollars to name one significant thing he's done during his "massive push," you'd walk out of that deal with no money. In fact, amazingly, they've managed to strip everything from him remotely resembling flair; his pyro, his car, Ricardo - he's this close to coming out in plain black tights and a nondescript Jimmy Hart nu-metal theme. Yet still, by mere process of being employed, people would still be talking about how "overpushed" he is... He's won world titles, held them for significant spans of time, been involved in main event after main event, and most importantly, derailed pushes of better/more popular stars. I think that's the very Oil of Overpush. Coincidentally, one can swing that comment in such a way as to apply for Eve, too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:14:45 GMT -5
I like how this thread was addressed to Vince. Like he reads this forum everyday. Are you implying that he doesn't!?
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 10, 2013 15:25:03 GMT -5
When he debuted on Smackdown he was arrogant and rich but at least still heeled it up by attacking people etc. He just doesn't do that much anymore. Apart from every month or so when he wheels out his new found aggression. Seriously. Where was the guy calling people peasants? Sayin he is netter than evrybody? Rubbing his wealth in the face of the peasants? He should have a car. He should be getting time on the mic to bash people. All he does is wrestle.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Sept 10, 2013 15:31:43 GMT -5
I just want him to have the same gimmick he had during the Christmas episode of Face Who Everybody Thinks Is a Heel. That was entertaining. Like he'd run out to save someone, and they would run away from him, and he would be like "NO WAIT GODDAMN IT I'M HERE TO HELP!" and sitcom stuff would happen. I still friggin love that RAW. Its the only time I know of where they all collectively said "Screw it! Let's all do whatever we want!" purely because it was Christmas. I agree, they could have added that to his character. I really, really, hope to God that they'll do another Christmas RAW similar to last year. There are ways they could make it work in context to the current angle. Anyway, I'm not giving up on Del Rio. Hopefully he'll join ranks with the Corpoartion (they need more people besides The Shield when the faces rebel), or lose the belt and do better in the midcard for a while after getting blown off with RVD.
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