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Post by Clueless Steve on Sept 10, 2013 17:24:39 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. I watch pro wrestling for the wrestling. I hate Alberto Del Rio.
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Post by #RUDO Coco Del Rio on Sept 10, 2013 17:49:58 GMT -5
I don't know what to contribute to this thread other than saying that the only reason I still watch wrestling today is Alberto Del Rio. And the Deevers, occasionally.
I'm pretty tired of convincing people to see the good in him. You know, if you don't like him then don't like him. I don't really care. But don't get rid of him just because you don't like him because GASP. Some people actually DO like him and don't want him gone. As small as the market may be for him, it's still a market.
And about the WHC/WWE title thing, don't worry. He's said in an interview that he prefers chasing the World title over the WWE title because it meant more to him. It was the first title he went after.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Sept 10, 2013 17:55:06 GMT -5
Del Rio has a lot of the tools. He usually has good matches, he has a fantastic look, he's got the music (or had it before the remix, but that's me being petty I suppose), etc. He just can't really connect with the crowd in a meaningful way. Someone suggested showing, not telling - and YES, that is something that should be done with Del Rio. His face turn shouldn't have been about him being "Made in America", it should've been about him seeing the err of his ways and giving his riches back to the people in a downed economy. They should've showed him doing this, they should've had he and Ricardo give out money in his entrance, they should've had him give away one of his nice cars. THAT may have got him over as a face. And hey, if he goes heel afterwards, the answer to that would be that he gave away all his fortune and it got him nowhere; he turned himself into a peasant. It's a wrestling angle, that works.
Instead, they botched his face turn. He then got his aggressive destiny shtick back, only now someone puts some little Mexican flags around the ring. I think a tumbleweed blows on by too, but I can't be too sure.
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Post by CM Parish on Sept 10, 2013 18:02:25 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. I watch pro wrestling for the wrestling. I hate Alberto Del Rio.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 10, 2013 18:15:05 GMT -5
I don't know what to contribute to this thread other than saying that the only reason I still watch wrestling today is Alberto Del Rio. And the Deevers, occasionally. I'm pretty tired of convincing people to see the good in him. You know, if you don't like him then don't like him. I don't really care. But don't get rid of him just because you don't like him because GASP. Some people actually DO like him and don't want him gone. As small as the market may be for him, it's still a market. And about the WHC/WWE title thing, don't worry. He's said in an interview that he prefers chasing the World title over the WWE title because it meant more to him. It was the first title he went after. Yeah, but is it sensible to capitalize on a tiny market by pushing the guy as a constant main-eventer who damn near always gets clean wins? You could scroll through the WWE roster with your eyes closed and stop on someone more popular/hated than Del Rio. We aren't talking about the internet here. The average WWE fans attending shows just die in silence when he shows up. Heath Slater gets much more of a reaction than Del Rio. Should he be a neverending World Title fixture?
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Post by Cela on Sept 10, 2013 18:16:57 GMT -5
I don't know what to contribute to this thread other than saying that the only reason I still watch wrestling today is Alberto Del Rio. And the Deevers, occasionally. I'm pretty tired of convincing people to see the good in him. You know, if you don't like him then don't like him. I don't really care. But don't get rid of him just because you don't like him because GASP. Some people actually DO like him and don't want him gone. As small as the market may be for him, it's still a market. And about the WHC/WWE title thing, don't worry. He's said in an interview that he prefers chasing the World title over the WWE title because it meant more to him. It was the first title he went after. But then if it is a smaller market, shouldn't it be treated as such and relegated to the midcard?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 10, 2013 18:20:13 GMT -5
Fun fact: Del Rio has been World Heavyweight Champion longer than CM Punk, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho and John Cena. If he makes it to Hell In A Cell as champion he'll also surpass Sheamus and The Undertaker. I'm surprised Undertaker had it longer than Jericho or Orton, guys I just associate with the belt more. Undertaker's final WHC reign (from beating Punk at Hell in a Cell to losing the Elimination Chamber via HBK interference) is actually the longest world title run in his entire career, even longer than his '97 one. Given that it was some of Undertaker's very last work before transitioning into being the guy who wrestles only at 'Mania and occasional other cameos, I think it was booked more as a Thank You reign than anything else.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 10, 2013 18:22:32 GMT -5
I blame Sin Cara. If Sin Cara'd been a huge hit and drawn Rey/Eddie-like money from Latino audiences the way WWE wanted, del Rio would be buggering around on Wade Barrett's level by now (or released, if he insisted on being treated like a bigger star).
Now our only hope is LOS MATADORES.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 10, 2013 18:26:53 GMT -5
I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) Oh god, don't I wish. If you find a site like that, let me know. This is the place where people see the Los Matadores vignettes and declare that they're a subtle attempt to undermine the heat of the latest indie flavor of the month down in WWE developmental.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Sept 10, 2013 18:39:13 GMT -5
Push Hunico imo.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 10, 2013 18:48:38 GMT -5
This, I'm sure we can All agree with, regardless of your stance on Del Rio. The man is gold begging to be mined.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:40:19 GMT -5
I think they're using him to destroy the WHC. He's like the NWO/Vince Russo, and the WHC is WCW (appropriate!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:44:52 GMT -5
I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) Oh god, don't I wish. If you find a site like that, let me know. This is the place where people see the Los Matadores vignettes and declare that they're a subtle attempt to undermine the heat of the latest indie flavor of the month down in WWE developmental. Hey! I said that, but I didn't mean they were undermining Sami Zayn. Just that him getting "ole" chants is confusing with his current persona, and they might want to nip that in the bud. And anyways, I was joking. And high And he may be the flavor of the month, but he's awesome and I hope he is the flavor for many, many months.
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Post by Sektor on Sept 10, 2013 19:45:41 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. You must be new here. And I'm not even trying to look down on you, either. It's just that you're so far off-base that either you started posting here recently or you've just had your head buried in the sand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:46:46 GMT -5
I watch pro wrestling for the wrestling. I hate Alberto Del Rio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:47:43 GMT -5
If rumors are to be believed, the only reason Del Rio is in a world title picture is because he threatens to quit every time they try to move him away from it. If I was a talent relations executive, that threat would no longer be effective. And Del Rio quitting is bad becase...why WWE? Because the Latino fanbase that they've still not quite gotten a good grip on (?) will suddenly exist and abandon them in vast droves or something.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 10, 2013 19:49:53 GMT -5
I don't know what to contribute to this thread other than saying that the only reason I still watch wrestling today is Alberto Del Rio. And the Deevers, occasionally. I'm pretty tired of convincing people to see the good in him. You know, if you don't like him then don't like him. I don't really care. But don't get rid of him just because you don't like him because GASP. Some people actually DO like him and don't want him gone. As small as the market may be for him, it's still a market. And about the WHC/WWE title thing, don't worry. He's said in an interview that he prefers chasing the World title over the WWE title because it meant more to him. It was the first title he went after. He is bringing no reaction,selling almost no merchandise.Why should he be in the main event all the time. I love Justin Gabriel ,he has a small market.But he is not in main event all the time.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Sept 10, 2013 21:10:46 GMT -5
One thing that has continuously bothered me since his match against Ziggler, which honestly aside from his LMS match against Big Show and his Summerslam match against Christian was his best work ever, is that he completely switched up his offense since KOing Zigs. It's like he saw that that vicious beating worked, so that became his new style. Constant kicks to the head, constant enzugiris, and him pulling down his kneepad and doing a super kick as a finisher. The problem being, Ziggler had a concussion. So that makes sense. So, is his deal that he pretends everyone else has concussions and he's going to kick them until they tap out to his armbreaker?
Also, here's the thing about good matches. You can have numerous good matches and still not have a great match that you can go back and watch and go "Yeah, he belongs here". Del Rio's been in the Main Event since beating poor Rey Rey in his very first appearance, and he's had about three great matches, all of which were this past year. Not exactly the mark of a great World Heavyweight Champion/former WWE Champion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 21:12:55 GMT -5
One thing that has continuously bothered me since his match against Ziggler, which honestly aside from his LMS match against Big Show and his Summerslam match against Christian was his best work ever, is that he completely switched up his offense since KOing Zigs. It's like he saw that that vicious beating worked, so that became his new style. Constant kicks to the head, constant enzugiris, and him pulling down his kneepad and doing a super kick as a finisher. The problem being, Ziggler had a concussion. So that makes sense. So, is his deal that he pretends everyone else has concussions and he's going to kick them until they tap out to his armbreaker? Also, here's the thing about good matches. You can have numerous good matches and still not have a great match that you can go back and watch and go "Yeah, he belongs here". Del Rio's been in the Main Event since beating poor Rey Rey in his very first appearance, and he's had about three great matches, all of which were this past year. Not exactly the mark of a great World Heavyweight Champion/former WWE Champion. I'd personally say his best match is easily the one with Christian at Extreme Rules 2011, but even then while I love that match I wouldn't say it alone is proof of del Rio being a worthy main event guy or anything. Certainly does his part but the match is much more about Christian.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 11, 2013 0:10:48 GMT -5
He's tall, speaks Spanish, and works WWE Main Event style. With Rey (almost literally) on his last legs, WWE needs a Latino star to represent the fastest growing demographic in North America. But they want said guy to have "WWE stature." They want a Mexican who fits their preferential mold. Hence Del Rio. The moment they find another 6'3" 260 pound movie star-esque Mexican they'll replace ADR. WWE's problem though is they won't think outside the box when it comes to their preferences. Yeah, how you fix that? Simple it's called take a mask. Put it on Hunico and have him wrestle. They could have it with Sin Cara if they put him in FCW/NXT first so he could learn the WWE style first. Then call him up and push him too the moon. I get the reason behind his push but that doesn't change the fact that he still not the guy no matter how much they want him to be. At less Mysterio was over. Del Rio is not and they done everything too get him over on his own. IMO Sin Cara shipped has sailed. Honestly why not give Hunico a real shot? The guy is talented enough.
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