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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 10, 2013 15:35:20 GMT -5
Del Rio's in the awkward position of being important enough to give the world title and TV time, but not enough to actually develop a character, quirks, and physical gimmicks for. Its a rather standard problem for a lot of talent in the company, with Kofi and Del Rio arguably being most prominent since they're the most overused. They're given the bare minimum of development week to week, told to be jerk heel or smiling babyface and are rarely allowed to go beyond that even on those rare occasions when they're given something different to do and show promise with it.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 10, 2013 15:36:47 GMT -5
He just seems so perfect for the facgime. But, they would have to feud him with big show, ziggler, or punk to make it work.
A Jericho feud would save his career
Beating the kofi and r-truth do nothing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:41:27 GMT -5
I said it in the Raw thread last night, but I find it funny how people loved him on his debut but when he eventually leaves the thread for it will likely exhaust the Internet of its celebratory GIFs.
Incidentally, as someone who didn't like him from the get-go, these threads always give me this warm, fuzzy feeling of vindication.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 10, 2013 15:43:17 GMT -5
He's virtually in the same boat Eve Torres was in for the longest; he's so "overpushed" that if someone gave you a million dollars to name one significant thing he's done during his "massive push," you'd walk out of that deal with no money. In fact, amazingly, they've managed to strip everything from him remotely resembling flair; his pyro, his car, Ricardo - he's this close to coming out in plain black tights and a nondescript Jimmy Hart nu-metal theme. Yet still, by mere process of being employed, people would still be talking about how "overpushed" he is... He's won world titles, held them for significant spans of time, been involved in main event after main event, and most importantly, derailed pushes of better/more popular stars. I think that's the very Oil of Overpush. Coincidentally, one can swing that comment in such a way as to apply for Eve, too. Again though, what relevant thing has he done during any of these pushes? gnr123 pretty succinctly summarized his pushes in the WWE and why they've been so abysmal: "They give him the Royal Rumble in his first year in the company, he loses at Wresltemania. He not only loses, but Edge and Christian smash up Del Rio's car, leaving Del Rio in tears which doesn't make sense because Del Rio never really did anything to deserve that kind of treatment. Than, they give him the MITB. Ok, that's cool. But he cashes it in RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the CM Punk storyline. Which makes no sense. Than, he loses it to Cena 2 weeks later, than regains it back before Punk beat him for it at Survivor Series. Than, he faced Sheamus multiple times in 2012, and never had a win." Outside of him being interjected into the Summer of Punk II for a month to play hot po-title with Cena and Punk, he had no purpose. Hell, since then, aside from his two-second face turn, he's had no purpose; just "be aggressive, here's a title, title's gone, back to being aggressive, repeat." I can count the thing's he's done that's actually mattered on one hand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:47:32 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio has gone from: "I know that he's supposed to be a big deal, fairly quick" to "I know that he's supposed to be a big deal, but goddamn is it ever going to happen?"
The answer is no. It's all Sin Cara's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:49:09 GMT -5
He's won world titles, held them for significant spans of time, been involved in main event after main event, and most importantly, derailed pushes of better/more popular stars. I think that's the very Oil of Overpush. Coincidentally, one can swing that comment in such a way as to apply for Eve, too. Again though, what relevant thing has he done during any of these pushes? gnr123 pretty succinctly summarized his pushes in the WWE and why they've been so abysmal: "They give him the Royal Rumble in his first year in the company, he loses at Wresltemania. He not only loses, but Edge and Christian smash up Del Rio's car, leaving Del Rio in tears which doesn't make sense because Del Rio never really did anything to deserve that kind of treatment. Than, they give him the MITB. Ok, that's cool. But he cashes it in RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the CM Punk storyline. Which makes no sense. Than, he loses it to Cena 2 weeks later, than regains it back before Punk beat him for it at Survivor Series. Than, he faced Sheamus multiple times in 2012, and never had a win." Outside of him being interjected into the Summer of Punk II for a month to play hot po-title with Cena and Punk, he had no purpose. Hell, since then, aside from his two-second face turn, he's had no purpose; just "be aggressive, here's a title, title's gone, back to being aggressive, repeat." I can count the thing's he's done that's actually mattered on one hand. Just because you get pushed heavily doesn't mean you're being utilized correctly. Del Rio's been pushed a lot, but never really been given serious effort by the writers. It's both offensive to fans and lazy on the part of the writers, because here you have a guy with nothing going for him getting everything imaginable handed to him, but the writers have put in so little time that he has no material. Hardly a fair chance for him. It's not like he was given the title and told "Okay, sink or swim!" They sailed him out to the ocean, tired a lead block to his ankles and threw him overboard. But instead of him drowning, they keep throwing him life preservers, before pulling him back on board. Only to push him back into the water again. Nobody can get over with that kind of booking. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's not being pushed, because his world title reigns and main event feuds would beg to differ.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 10, 2013 15:58:13 GMT -5
He may be past the point of saving now. He's had multiple title reigns, and seemingly has only proven to lower the title's status worse than Swagger did in 2010. I went back and looked up crowd reactions and general board reactions to Swagger's title run and found that even Jack Swagger got more love than Del Rio does today. And both men were practically handed the title to get them over.
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Post by machomuta on Sept 10, 2013 16:04:15 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread.
I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos)
People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Sept 10, 2013 16:05:01 GMT -5
He may be past the point of saving now. He's had multiple title reigns, and seemingly has only proven to lower the title's status worse than Swagger did in 2010. I went back and looked up crowd reactions and general board reactions to Swagger's title run and found that even Jack Swagger got more love than Del Rio does today. And both men were practically handed the title to get them over. No, he's not past the point of saving. He's past the point that they need to start letting him do acts of actual villiany aside from just standing in the ring saying he's better than everyone. Give him backstage segments and promos where he parades stuff out, or hires some mariachis. Have him do things to get the crowd to give him heat, and he'll get it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 16:10:26 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. They would if he's boring, which Alberto is. No one questions his wrestling, he's good and has had a bunch of good matches this year, but the dude is beyond stale. Being a good wrestler isn't enough without some form of decent character.
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Post by Chip on Sept 10, 2013 16:12:26 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. ......... What. Are you talking about a different site or do you just not come here often?
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 10, 2013 16:17:45 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. Would you honestly rank Del Rio in the top 10 in-ring guys in the company?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 16:25:59 GMT -5
He's one of the best wrestlers in the company, works well with absolutely anybody, and is hard enough to actually not balls things up should he get injured mid-match.
I mean, I agree he's overpushed but to pretend he's Great Khali debut levels of bad is absurd.
...then again I'm a Dos Caras Jnr/Alberto Del Rio fan, so I need to say these things every so often, y'all are treating him like he's Michael Axolillicutty.
I mean, he was over until that bizarre "EDGE WINS" 'Mania moment, and he was over at the start of the year...what ties those times together? The WWE actually put some effort into booking ADR interestingly. The man himself isn't to blame, you can give someone a gimmick but if you don't have the story fodder/segments of content to put that over then, well, what are you going to have?
I don't know, I'd honestly accuse Christian of being 1000 times worse than him in regards to "boring!" in all terms in his most recent run so, eh, I just don't see why ADR is Miz-hate-bandwagon worthy really. Note: I've read every post so please don't say "derailed pushes of other guys-" because, well, which major star HASN'T done that in the WWE?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 16:28:25 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. That wouldn't explain why Antonio Cesaro is one of the most popular guys on here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 16:34:47 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. They would if he's boring, which Alberto is. No one questions his wrestling, he's good and has had a bunch of good matches this year, but the dude is beyond stale. Being a good wrestler isn't enough without some form of decent character. Pretty much. Most of the guys on the roster are good in the ring, and that alone doesn't make someone interesting. If it did Ted DiBiase would have been over huge.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Sept 10, 2013 16:38:21 GMT -5
I remember the good old days when I started a thread about a silly wwe.com f***up and made a picture pointing it out. BACK THEN EVERYONE LOVED DEL RIO! He was a meme ya either loved or hated. The thing with Del Rio is he lost EVERYTHING about his character that made him initially entertaining. I will always pinpoint his downfall to losing to Edge at WrestleMania; that accomplished nothing but killing Del Rio's momentum dead. Not only that, but it also killed the Cross Armbreaker, too. IIRC Edge had a TAPED UP AND INJURED arm and yet he sat there in the move longer than anyone multiple times in the match. Then ole ADR was drafted to Raw and he's never been the same. That's what WWE booking gets for not striking while the iron was hot.
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Post by CH Punk on Sept 10, 2013 16:51:17 GMT -5
I remember the good old days when I started a thread about a silly wwe.com f***up and made a picture pointing it out. BACK THEN EVERYONE LOVED DEL RIO! He was a meme ya either loved or hated. The thing with Del Rio is he lost EVERYTHING about his character that made him initially entertaining. I will always pinpoint his downfall to losing to Edge at WrestleMania; that accomplished nothing but killing Del Rio's momentum dead. Not only that, but it also killed the Cross Armbreaker, too. IIRC Edge had a TAPED UP AND INJURED arm and yet he sat there in the move longer than anyone multiple times in the match. Then ole ADR was drafted to Raw and he's never been the same. That's what WWE booking gets for not striking while the iron was hot. While the Edge feud certainly hurt him, I'd say the thing that killed him for good (except for during the very amusing Del Rio/Show feud) was the feud with Punk in late 2011, which was basically CM Punk saying how much Del Rio sucks as a wrestler and personality, getting the upper hand in any beatdown and winning pretty much every match in the feud (oh, and while CM Punk was DQ'd against World Champion Mark Henry by Ricardo running in and beating on Punk for like a minute before the bell rang, Del Rio lost clean to WHC #1 Contender Big Show in back to back segments).
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Post by Professor Chaos on Sept 10, 2013 17:03:57 GMT -5
I think Del Rio is the most entertaining thing going in the WWE and he should be the one to unify the World Title and WWE Title. I keed I keed I don't even watch his matches without fast forwarding anymore. Guess it's cool to crap on Berti but don't dare crap on Bryan around here.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 10, 2013 17:14:57 GMT -5
I like Del Rio a lot actually, but at this point I don't exactly know what else is left for the guy in WWE. He's had a heel run, a face run, and now he's back as a heel. I'm thinking RVD takes him out sooner than later and likely ends up being a transition to Sandow.
It's odd to have a Mexican top heel. As in someone who uses that aspect of himself to gain heel heat. It really doesn't even work like a Canadian heel, where the Canadian crowds go nuts for their own. Mexican crowds don't really cheer wildly for a heel from what I've seen.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 10, 2013 17:17:29 GMT -5
Wow. About time we got the weekly 'I hate ADR' thread. I am not really surprised that ADR is hated on a site, that only likes Sports Entertainment( silly gimmicks and promos) People who actually watch Pro Wrestling for the Wrestling would never hate ADR. Is the weather nice up there on your high horse? Like others said, your statement holds no credence when people like Cesaro are still favourites.
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