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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 10, 2013 16:51:57 GMT -5
I can't agree entirely with Meltzer in the case, but the guy does know a hell of alot about wrestling. Certainly more than I'll ever know. The thing I've noticed about him from what I've heard and read from the guy is that he can be very abrasive with how he puts across his opinions. He definitely comes off alot better though than other people on that particular message board. And anybody whose been on there can back me up on that. And we'll leave it at that.
And as much as I like AJ, it is a little silly of her to get a tattoo for winning a belt that looks like a sparkly butterfly. But hey, different things mean more to some people than they do others. I'm not gonna knock her for wanting to commemorate what she feels was a big moment for her. People should be able to find happiness in whatever way they can as long as it's not hurting others. And at least it's not like another AJ's tattoo....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 16:51:59 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, shut the f*** up Meltzer. You're opinions don't mean jack shit. You have decent inside sources but that's in. Your opinion isn't special so give it a rest. Yeah, I hate it when a person posts their opinion on the internet about wrestling. What a jackass. No but he acts all high and mighty about it, like it's a fact. Or are we forgetting "CM Punk isn't a draw!" from last month? |
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Post by mrjl on Sept 10, 2013 16:54:12 GMT -5
Whether you think she's a great wrestler, I'm not going to try and sway you there, but she did have some pretty well-received matches with Mickie James and Michelle McCool. Even if you don't think she was great, is she on the same level as three women who never really bothered to train or improve themselves, much less were nowhere near good enough to put on those kinds of matches? But...she wasn't crazy. She just takes wrestling very seriously. Very much like how AJ does. Are they overdoing it? I guess that's up to you to decide, but they certainly don't lack sincerity in their views, at the very least. I'm sure I recognize you as the dude who defends Melina in any thread about her, so I'll take this discussion with a tiny grain of salt. But I can honestly say I never found Melina to be very crisp or refined in the ring. She had her moments, but so did Sable. Even Kelly did cool spots here and there. But not to the level of being called a great worker. greatness is rare and talking about it online seems to always be an excuse to insult someone. "oh, I don't like this person, so I'll say they're not great and say anyone who argues that is totally a mark for them." |
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Post by slappy on Sept 10, 2013 16:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by Lancers on Sept 10, 2013 16:57:11 GMT -5
Meltzer oughtta be careful ridiculing people with tattoos.
Because I know about the tramp stamp tattoo he has of Misawa with the caption '5 Stars Forever' underneath it.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 10, 2013 17:04:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I hate it when a person posts their opinion on the internet about wrestling. What a jackass. No but he acts all high and mighty about it, like it's a fact. Or are we forgetting "CM Punk isn't a draw!" from last month? Except aside from merchandising the guy really isn't a guy who draws that much money. Zack Ryder drew great money on merchandising too and we all know how well he helped out television numbers when he was featured. Unlike Ryder though he's drawn solid television ratings and he's drawn two decent buyrates (Money in the Bank where he won against John Cena in Chicago and Hell in a Cell against the at the time undefeated Ryback) Aside from that there's no real evidence of him popping a huge number on pay per view. And Rock vs Punk at the Rumble doesn't count because that was The Rock. The only people he's been paired against that didn't draw to some extent was that Survivor Series tag match with Cena against Truth and Miz. Punk is a star, no doubt. He's a main eventer, no doubt. He's a great promo, no doubt. But he's not even in the top ten of the best draws in the history of the company. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 17:04:33 GMT -5
Meltzer oughtta be careful ridiculing people with tattoos. Because I know about the tramp stamp tattoo he has of Misawa with the caption '5 Stars Forever' underneath it. That and Vance Archer might lure him into his ice cream truck of doom. |
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 10, 2013 17:05:45 GMT -5
Meltzer oughtta be careful ridiculing people with tattoos. Because I know about the tramp stamp tattoo he has of Misawa with the caption '5 Stars Forever' underneath it. That and Vance Archer might lure him into his ice cream truck of doom. What's to say he hasn't already, given it relocated to Japan? |
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Post by marvelocity on Sept 10, 2013 17:14:04 GMT -5
For as far as "Sports Entertainment" has come, it still has its roots in the old carney circuits. And like this example, every once in a while its roots show. Why is it a detriment to be a fan of professional wrestling if you are in the business? Why are you all of a sudden a 'mark' for these phoney brass rings? Imagine that being the case in any other sport. Or any other form of entertainment.
Maybe money isn't the be all-end all of it for her. Maybe she wants to make her mark in the industry, and who knows, maybe bring some value back to the belt. I'm sorry, I want my wrestlers to be fans deep at heart. Otherwise, what the hell are we all watching it for?
I could definitely see this kind of attitude from some backstage. Judging from the comment by JBL on Raw, I can imagine that some of the talent and backstage would look down on AJ for getting her tattoo. But who is anyone to judge what's important to her? It was a goal that she achieved. A goal that I'm sure many have had but fell short of. She should be proud.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 17:19:02 GMT -5
That and Vance Archer might lure him into his ice cream truck of doom. What's to say he hasn't already, given it relocated to Japan? I think you're on to something. Big. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}In Japan. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 17:24:18 GMT -5
I agree with Meltzer. That "mark" mindset was at least justifiable back in the day when the highest paid guy in the company was usually the champion, but it is completely different today. People are given the belt as props to carry around nowadays, without any real meaning to it from a business standpoint (i.e. Hogan held the belt for so long because he drew money, while giving the title to Miz was done for a completely separate reason unrelated to bottom line).
If AJ is happy about it, that's great, but people mocking it (including JBL on commentary) is justifiable, IMO. AJ Styles gets more grief for tattooing his real initials on himself. It's not like AJ Lee has it bad.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Sept 10, 2013 17:28:18 GMT -5
Almost every time I've seen wrestlers give tours of their homes, they all have belts on their wall that they held, so are there certain limits to "belt markism?"
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Post by Clueless Steve on Sept 10, 2013 17:30:14 GMT -5
If AJ is happy about it, that's great, but people mocking it (including JBL on commentary) is justifiable, IMO. I'm sorry, but no it's not. They'd be mocking her for taking pride in her job & being passionate about it. That's not justifiable. She realized her dream and got a permanent reminder of it. Anybody mocking that is pretty much a jackass. Why belittle somebody's lifelong dream and try to make them feel bad about it? |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Sept 10, 2013 17:36:57 GMT -5
That WOR episode is free on F4W. You guys should listen to it to get a better understanding of his statement. From what I remember, he explained that AJ should be careful because they have been known to take advantage of the fans-turned-wrestlers due to their devotion. If you wear it on your sleeve, they may stiff you in certain areas because they know you'll jump as high as they want you to. Not exactly surprising to hear since this is the pro-wrestling business, and we all know how childish aspects of it can be backstage. He and Bryan got into the history of the title, they talked about the Women's title first, and then that's when Dave made the comments about Debra and Sable, basically alluding to the title not exactly having much prestige. Bryan talked about the Divas title and how that was different, so Dave mentioned Kelly Kelly. It was kinda a shitty way to look at the situation, admittedly. I get why it was important to AJ - she won the spiritual title she used to watch get defended by some of her idols like Lita or Trish. That's gotta be awesome. Dave's whole point was that they may look at her differently, and that the Divas title is...what it is. Again, kinda a half-empty way to perceive it, but I get his perspective, too.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Sept 10, 2013 17:39:34 GMT -5
I'm surprised to hear of this sort of mockery coming from within the wrestling community.
It's fine for people to personally find this "markdom" stupid, but it seems some of these people are the same ones who freak out about Daniel Bryan being buried whenever he loses a match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 17:41:49 GMT -5
If AJ is happy about it, that's great, but people mocking it (including JBL on commentary) is justifiable, IMO. I'm sorry, but no it's not. They'd be mocking her for taking pride in her job & being passionate about it. That's not justifiable. She realized her dream and got a permanent reminder of it. Anybody mocking that is pretty much a jackass. Why belittle somebody's lifelong dream and try to make them feel bad about it? I'm not saying belittling her dream is justifiable, I'm saying belittling the tattoo is. Like I said, people get their tattoos mocked much worse. |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 10, 2013 17:48:46 GMT -5
This is the same guy who is so dead set against Ole Anderson being inducted into his "hall of fame".
His opinion is invalid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 17:51:13 GMT -5
Why believe that Meltzer is lying or wrong about this (meaning the backstage attitude regarding lower-card belts)? Like, what differentiates it from all the other shit he says that gets posted on this board?
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Sept 10, 2013 17:52:04 GMT -5
Someone says something negative about AJ.
3 hours later, 4 pages of intense debate. Never Change FAN.
If only we could harness this power for a much funnier purpose. Like TODD over in the Wrest of WRestling Section.
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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Sept 10, 2013 17:56:34 GMT -5
Its AJ so who !@#%#$ cares.
Let her go cry in her comic books. She can get any lame tatt she wants so what.
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