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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 22:29:53 GMT -5
I repeat what I said last week: the pay off in a feud is seeing the heel get trashed. The Shield have been built up as the unbeatable heel team by constantly plowing over everyone on the roster, including Bryan, numerous times. Hence the audience explosion upon finally seeing The Shield get a beatdown themselves. Its really not that complicated. This seems to be the fundamental concept of wrestling. Everyone wants to see the heel get their comeuppance, but it rarely seems to happen in WWE lately. The Cole/Lawler feud is just about the best example of this - that Cena/Cole match is exactly what Lawler's WM match should have been. What's the point of building and building something up, if the payoff is either anticlimactic, or worse, never even happens? The last time we had the faces the fans all got behind (and that's why it didn't quite work as well for Cena) giving the heels "what they had coming," we had the Hogan and Austin boom periods. I'm of the opinion that Bryan's crew utterly decimating the new corporation at least 75% of the time would lead to some pretty hot crowds again, at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 22:32:33 GMT -5
It was a bad idea overall, but the match did end up being fun, because The Shield.
Just a small hiccup though. It made R-Truth, Zack Ryder, and Justin Gabriel look woefully incompetent, but that's nothing new. I hoped that the guys that helped Bryan were going to get a bit of a push out of it, turns out not so much.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 23, 2013 22:33:45 GMT -5
Thing is, we've seen The Shield lose 3 on 3 matches and get beaten down. Having 11 guys beat them down is excessive and puts sympathy heat on the heels, which is silly.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 23, 2013 22:34:56 GMT -5
To emphasize that The Shield are the bad ass team that it takes major odds to beat, and to help make the audience want to see them get beat that much more, giving a major boost to the guys who actually do get the pins on them in the process. This is actually well done booking. But it kind of made the lower carders look weak. Ryder, Gabriel, Titus, and R-Truth all looked like bitches. The only non main eventers that looked good were the Usos and Darren Young for...reasons. In the process it made you question whether this large team was actually going to be able to win-which made it all the bigger when each member of The Shield was eliminated one by one.
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Post by Lancers on Sept 23, 2013 22:39:28 GMT -5
The only non main eventers that looked good were the Usos and Darren Young for...reasons. The Usos are gay too????
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 23, 2013 22:41:13 GMT -5
The only non main eventers that looked good were the Usos and Darren Young for...reasons. The Usos are gay too? The Usos have been steadily pushed for a while, so I kind of expected them to look good. But it does seem kind of suspect that Darren put up decent fight compared to most of the other low carders in the match while his own tag team partner was taken out rather quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 22:42:20 GMT -5
But it kind of made the lower carders look weak. Ryder, Gabriel, Titus, and R-Truth all looked like bitches. The only non main eventers that looked good were the Usos and Darren Young for...reasons. In the process it made you question whether this large team was actually going to be able to win-which made it all the bigger when each member of The Shield was eliminated one by one. Not really. It just made me think "what a bunch of pussies, it's 11 on 3." Last week was triumphant and that was fun, there was the catharsis factor, FINALLY they banded together. This week felt like a hollow victory. Seeing 10 guys on the apron trying to pump up the crowd for a hot tag was hilarious, but not what I'd call good booking.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 23, 2013 22:49:14 GMT -5
I just want to know how the hell it's taken ten months for someone to think to do that to the Shield. it didn't. In the lead up to Sheild vs Cena, Ryback and Sheamus they jumped the Shield and the lover room came out but they were able to retreat
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 23, 2013 22:52:25 GMT -5
They were kicking the asses of the evil Corporate Facgime's hired guns. I see no issue with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 22:55:53 GMT -5
I just figure it was like the Z Warriors from Dragon Ball Z fighting Nappa and Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga. Two-Thirds of the team had no shot against the Shield in the ring but, with the extra numbers, and Bryan, Ziggler, and the Usos, they could win. Ryder, Truth, and Kofi were merely extra bodies out there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 23:02:04 GMT -5
To emphasize that The Shield are the bad ass team that it takes major odds to beat, and to help make the audience want to see them get beat that much more, giving a major boost to the guys who actually do get the pins on them in the process. This is actually well done booking. But it kind of made the lower carders look weak. Ryder, Gabriel, Titus, and R-Truth all looked like bitches. The only non main eventers that looked good were the Usos and Darren Young for...reasons. Low carders always look weak. That's why they're there, to make other guys look strong.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 23, 2013 23:36:45 GMT -5
I had no problem with it. It's the same sort of thing Rollins and the Shield have been doing since they debuted. They deserved a beat down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 0:02:04 GMT -5
WWE logic 101. 2 wrongs DO make a right.
Faces aren't obligated to keep the high moral ground, just bitch about it when they're not winning.
I mean, I get the whole "taste of your own medicine" thing, but it basically comes down to an eye for an eye til every superstar's blind.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 24, 2013 0:09:42 GMT -5
WWE logic 101. 2 wrongs DO make a right. Faces aren't obligated to keep the high moral ground, just bitch about it when they're not winning. I mean, I get the whole "taste of your own medicine" thing, but it basically comes down to an eye for an eye til every superstar's blind. It's entirely meta, too. Because in a way, their "everybody beats each other" guarantees that everybody gets a few wins before losing a bunch of times. Rinse, repeat. But this is one of those times where you have to look at all the dastardly things the Shield have done before complaining about their comeuppance. It's wrestling, so the only true way to vanquish the enemy is to beat them in the ring. The Shield weren't going to be taken to prison for their evil deeds. They won't be killed literally because of their evil deeds. They're going to downfall at the expense of their own medicine, because that's what they've done to the entire roster since November 2012. And for that, I think 11 guys teaming up to make sure they lose and gruesomely is about as poetic as justice gets.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Sept 24, 2013 0:09:43 GMT -5
That was not a No DQ match. Therefore Rollins should have won after they all attacked him at the same time. It was way beoynd the 5 second tag double team. Rollins wins.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 24, 2013 0:11:20 GMT -5
I eagerly await the thread decrying that Stephanie is being bullied when she gets her comeuppance later on.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 24, 2013 0:14:07 GMT -5
To emphasize that The Shield are the bad ass team that it takes major odds to beat, and to help make the audience want to see them get beat that much more, giving a major boost to the guys who actually do get the pins on them in the process. This is actually well done booking. But it kind of made the lower carders look weak. Ryder, Gabriel, Titus, and R-Truth all looked like bitches. The only non main eventers that looked good were the Usos and Darren Young for...reasons. Titus had a match earlier, and took the vicious clothesline during it. So I wouldn't say it made Titus look bad. Ryder and Gabriel aren't exactly the biggest guys, so it would be believable that Reigns would destroy them with a spear. And Truth was caught because of a blind tag. Like was mentioned in the Raw thread, the Shield has always been built up as a team, that's always about the team over the individual. So it makes sense they could do damage to a group that isn't an actual team. Plus it made Reigns looked like a f***ing beast.
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Post by nickcave on Sept 24, 2013 0:31:10 GMT -5
I just figure it was like the Z Warriors from Dragon Ball Z fighting Nappa and Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga. Two-Thirds of the team had no shot against the Shield in the ring but, with the extra numbers, and Bryan, Ziggler, and the Usos, they could win. Ryder, Truth, and Kofi were merely extra bodies out there. I love this analogy, does that make Vince or Triple H Freeza?
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 24, 2013 0:40:49 GMT -5
Two wrongs don't make a right. You are aware this is wrestling right? Yes and two fakes don't make it real neither.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Sept 24, 2013 0:41:20 GMT -5
I just figure it was like the Z Warriors from Dragon Ball Z fighting Nappa and Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga. Two-Thirds of the team had no shot against the Shield in the ring but, with the extra numbers, and Bryan, Ziggler, and the Usos, they could win. Ryder, Truth, and Kofi were merely extra bodies out there. I love this analogy, does that make Vince or Triple H Freeza? Triple H is Freiza. Vince is King Cold. Randy Orton is Zarbon.
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