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Post by Arrow on Oct 7, 2013 8:52:30 GMT -5
I didn't see the pay-per-view and I haven't watched anything involving WWE Raw since the summer, so I have no opinion on whatever's been going on these last couple weeks. However, I don't get why people trash the "wait and see" attitude so much. At the end of the day, you can't control the direction WWE storylines are going to take. Regardless of whether or you like what's being presented to you, you can't tell the people on top how to run their show. You are a viewer with two choices: you either stop watching, or you "wait and see". So why is that such a bad mindset to have?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 8:57:37 GMT -5
I didn't see the pay-per-view and I haven't watched anything involving WWE Raw since the summer, so I have no opinion on whatever's been going on these last couple weeks. However, I don't get why people trash the "wait and see" attitude so much. At the end of the day, you can't control the direction WWE storylines are going to take. Regardless of whether or you like what's being presented to you, you can't tell the people on top how to run their show. You are a viewer with two choices: you either stop watching, or you "wait and see". So why is that such a bad mindset to have? It's not, but as this is a message board, a vast majority of the posts here are going to be discussion about the product as it is happening. If we went by a "either stop watching or wait and see" approach - well,...haha, I mean, what would we talk about? Also, at what point does "wait and see" flip to "okay, now we can talk about it?"
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Post by Arrow on Oct 7, 2013 9:15:12 GMT -5
I didn't see the pay-per-view and I haven't watched anything involving WWE Raw since the summer, so I have no opinion on whatever's been going on these last couple weeks. However, I don't get why people trash the "wait and see" attitude so much. At the end of the day, you can't control the direction WWE storylines are going to take. Regardless of whether or you like what's being presented to you, you can't tell the people on top how to run their show. You are a viewer with two choices: you either stop watching, or you "wait and see". So why is that such a bad mindset to have? It's not, but as this is a message board, a vast majority of the posts here are going to be discussion about the product as it is happening. If we went by a "either stop watching or wait and see" approach - well,...haha, I mean, what would we talk about? Also, at what point does "wait and see" flip to "okay, now we can talk about it?" I don't believe in the idea that if the product is bad now a future development - no matter now good - is going to justify it. So, as far as I'm concerned, feel free to discuss and criticize what you see happening on screen now. I do, however, get the impression that ever since SummerSlam some people here have been criticizing the storyline based on what they believe is going to happen in the future (Bryan's push getting derailed), and slamming the idea of "just wait and see before you pass judgment on something that hasn't even happened yet", because of how feel about WWE's track record. Fair enough, but since they don't know what's going to happen, and since they're not going to change what may or may not happen later, criticizing the product now for what's not even happened yet doesn't make much sense. That's where I draw issue. If the storyline is bad right now, then criticize it for being bad right now. But in that case, it's no longer a matter of "wait and see".
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 7, 2013 9:54:00 GMT -5
yeah. it's ruined. I'm taking a break, guys. I'll be back in a few months if things have changed, but this is just some terrible story-telling.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 7, 2013 10:13:12 GMT -5
Unless something like Daniel Bryan randomly turning heel to join The Authority so he can feud with a returning John Cena, I'm not done following the angle.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 7, 2013 10:25:43 GMT -5
I dunno if I'd say the WWE screwed up as much as they took guys who looked to be big parts of the initial angle and put them on the back burner (Miz and Ziggler). The other issue is that the WWE seems hesitant to actually place the Usos in the angle. Yes they've made saves, but they aren't really part of the feud yet.
I think had they held off on deciding the title at Battleground may have helped out as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 10:31:07 GMT -5
On the plus side though, Antonio Cesaro and the Real Americans have been booked pretty well.
I'm telling you, the more of an afterthought an angle is, the better it comes across on screen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 10:33:01 GMT -5
On the plus side though, Antonio Cesaro and the Real Americans have been booked pretty well. I'm telling you, the more of an afterthought an angle is, the better it comes across on screen. That's how WWE tends to operate. That's why ECW in 2009 was so awesome, WWE wasn't remotely paying attention to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 10:37:35 GMT -5
On the plus side though, Antonio Cesaro and the Real Americans have been booked pretty well. I'm telling you, the more of an afterthought an angle is, the better it comes across on screen. That's how WWE tends to operate. That's why ECW in 2009 was so awesome, WWE wasn't remotely paying attention to it. Further evidence - NXT right now.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 7, 2013 11:17:05 GMT -5
Nothing makes sense, I don't even understand the f***ing rules anymore, the belt not changing on DQ or count-out has always been portrayed as the champion's advantage, surely in a match with no champion they can win the belt by count-out but they kept breaking the count.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 7, 2013 11:20:48 GMT -5
Nothing makes sense, I don't even understand the f***ing rules anymore, the belt not changing on DQ or count-out has always been portrayed as the champion's advantage, surely in a match with no champion they can win the belt by count-out but they kept breaking the count. They usually state it as you can not win the title by DQ or count out. So by that wording it makes sense a dq or a count out would have left the title vacant.
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Post by audiencewatching on Oct 7, 2013 12:00:17 GMT -5
At this point they've killed the title feud dead.
I don't care who gets the belt.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 7, 2013 12:31:02 GMT -5
I'm in the camp of waiting and seeing. This angle isn't over yet and could turn in so many ways that makes it impossible for me to judge this angle as a failure.
Sure this angle could lead to Beeg Show 4 year title reign which will be shitty, or it can lead to Senior Sheamus and Juan Cena coming back as a Mexican super team to help D-Bryan achieve the boyhood and triumph over our dear leaders. So wait and see.
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Post by Bootista on Oct 7, 2013 12:34:10 GMT -5
I'm in the camp of waiting and seeing. This angle isn't over yet and could turn in so many ways that makes it impossible for me to judge this angle as a failure. Sure this angle could lead to Beeg Show 4 year title reign which will be shitty, or it can lead to Senior Sheamus and Juan Cena coming back as a Mexican super team to help D-Bryan achieve the boyhood and triumph over our dear leaders. So wait and see. Beeg Show.
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Post by klapaucius on Oct 7, 2013 12:51:27 GMT -5
yes.
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Post by angryfan on Oct 7, 2013 12:55:35 GMT -5
With time lines and schedules, this angle is dead, and can only lead to a short term run before being de-pushed following the Rumble, or Orton winning or vacancy until then to set up the "returning hero" bit for Mania.
We'll get all three men in the match at HIAC, which will have a schmazz and swervetastic ending. D-Bry will win the belt at Survivor Series, it'll be all big and cool and then we'll have some chasing around. TLC will see D-Bry retain with help, and tons of run-ins during the match.
Rumble, he'll lose it and since that's Cena's projected return date, expect him to either win the damn Rumble again or come out and "save the day" after Orton wins the belt and they go for a massive beatdown on D-Bry yet again.
I would wait and see, except this is their pattern. We're just in a holding pattern, and it doesn't matter how over anyone gets it won't change that because they have no incentive to change anything.
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Post by amaron on Oct 7, 2013 13:06:05 GMT -5
I can suspend belief, but I can't suspend logic.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 7, 2013 13:07:36 GMT -5
I'm in the camp of waiting and seeing. This angle isn't over yet and could turn in so many ways that makes it impossible for me to judge this angle as a failure. Sure this angle could lead to Beeg Show 4 year title reign which will be shitty, or it can lead to Senior Sheamus and Juan Cena coming back as a Mexican super team to help D-Bryan achieve the boyhood and triumph over our dear leaders. So wait and see. Señor Sheamus gives me a hilarious mental image.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 13:08:45 GMT -5
They have too much TV to book super long term these days without putting it on auto-pilot for a while, which is obviously what they've been doing for some time now. They're banking on Daniel Bryan's overness to continue to outweigh the shitty writing long enough for their big guns to come back for Wrestlemania season. No way in hell will this current storyline make it to Mania, it's almost dead in the water now, with the only thing saving it is that Daniel Bryan is beloved by arenas throughout the US. The writing for this angle is among the worst that I've seen in some time. It seems that they blew through all of their best ideas after Summerslam and now are just trying to make up any bullshit that they can to keep it going.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 7, 2013 13:15:01 GMT -5
While I agree my interest has waned since SummerSlam, despite what many people here may think, the angle has successfully:
A. Gotten Bryan over as a mega face. Win or lose, he's still WAY over. He hasn't been BuriED like so many people say. In less than a month, he defeated John Cena and Randy Orton. What do people want? Him to go undefeated for 10 months? Then everyone will complain about how he's superman. He's been booked fine as an underdog.
B. Gotten Triple H to play a role of what everyone has been saying he is for the last 10 years.
C. Established a lot of midcarders, elevating them and making them seem important (Usos)
D. Finally taken Cody Rhodes over the hump.
E. Given us a quality match every week with Orton vs somebody
F. Contrary to most on the Internet's belief, gotten Big Show over with the crowd again(don't deny it, he's getting solid reactions).
G. Refreshed the Shield, giving them a new angle.
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