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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 13:30:54 GMT -5
Nothing makes sense, I don't even understand the f***ing rules anymore, the belt not changing on DQ or count-out has always been portrayed as the champion's advantage, surely in a match with no champion they can win the belt by count-out but they kept breaking the count. Vacant would retain and continue his glorious run. |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 7, 2013 13:55:35 GMT -5
I admit after hearing about it, last night's ending was sloppy. But depending on RAW tonight, they could turn the main angle around. Regardless, The Shield, Cody, The Usos, and even Miz have gotten more of a push than they have been. Already it seems like Kofi and the Wyatts are next. And then there's also the Dicas getting attention again which is way better that leaving them on autopilot. There's still plenty to enjoy about WWE right now even if the top angle isn't one of them.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 7, 2013 13:56:57 GMT -5
While I agree my interest has waned since SummerSlam, despite what many people here may think, the angle has successfully: A. Gotten Bryan over as a mega face. Win or lose, he's still WAY over. He hasn't been BuriED like so many people say. In less than a month, he defeated John Cena and Randy Orton. What do people want? Him to go undefeated for 10 months? Then everyone will complain about how he's superman. He's been booked fine as an underdog. B. Gotten Triple H to play a role of what everyone has been saying he is for the last 10 years. C. Established a lot of midcarders, elevating them and making them seem important (Usos) D. Finally taken Cody Rhodes over the hump. E. Given us a quality match every week with Orton vs somebody F. Contrary to most on the Internet's belief, gotten Big Show over with the crowd again(don't deny it, he's getting solid reactions). G. Refreshed the Shield, giving them a new angle. A. People complain about how aside from Cena and Sheamus, WWE had no other top good guys. This angle has placed Daniel Bryan on that pedestal. B. Corporate Slimebag HHH is a perfect villain for this angle. C. Going along with what was said in point A, it's nice that we're getting focus on other people aside from Cena and friends. D. See above. E. Boring as he may be to some, this current heel run is the best work that Orton has done thus far. F. We may groan at Big Show's involvement, but the casual fans care about his presence, for better or worse. G. Let's face it, the Shield were meandering aimlessly with their vague "justice" spiel before becoming the hired muscle of The Authority. Would you rather them remain like they were before this angle or are they better off now? |
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 7, 2013 14:59:00 GMT -5
This isn't anything they can't bounce back from obviously, but its really mediocre right now and if this is the result of 2 months of "wait and see" .....ugh. I'd say it's been less the result of wait and see and more the result of essentially repeating the same show week, after week, after week, after week without any real substantial developments. It seems like the saga of Daniel-Bryan's-Kinda-Forced-Yet-Non-Committal-Comedy-Non-Push-Hey-Its-Big-Show-Where's-Punk-Oh-Feuding-With-Midcarders-#brethart1995 will lurch onward until Cena comes back and WWE starts caring about their product again. |
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Post by metylerca on Oct 7, 2013 18:11:43 GMT -5
I was in agreement until OP wrote that PTP would be the black Edge and Christian. Then the thread came off as a "WWE sucks! But if they did things the way I'd prefer and push the guys I like, it won't." type. And that's practically every thread here. I'll never get this board's hard-on for PTP. Their matches are usually met with indifference from audiences. Cameraman usually finds the 3/4 groups of people mugging for the camera to get noticed and if it means dancing like PTP, then go with it. They're not very over and aren't anywhere near the entertaining workers and characters as Edge and Christian were. The reason I mention PTP of all things is because I've found over the past year that the easiest way to spot fantasy booking is to shoehorn PTP into booking plans in prominent positions, despite them being nothing more than enhancement talent that only received a mini push as valiant faces after one of the two members came out as homosexual. Before then, they'd get beat by Sheamus and the likes without much trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 18:17:22 GMT -5
Nothing makes sense, I don't even understand the f***ing rules anymore, the belt not changing on DQ or count-out has always been portrayed as the champion's advantage, surely in a match with no champion they can win the belt by count-out but they kept breaking the count. Yeah technically Bryan should be champ via DQ, Big Show obviously pulled the ref out to keep him from winning. But earlier in the match, they had Bryan break a certain count out and had the annoucners freak out abOUT "HE'S GOTTA GET HIM IN THE RING HE CAN'T WIN THE TITLE OUT THERE!" If they're going to do this complicated story arc thing, at least line up the details for us. And I don't care what anyone says, not even having a finish in the title match last night was pure crap. The bell should have sounded, somehow someway. Even if it's called a double DQ. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 7, 2013 18:32:15 GMT -5
I was in agreement until OP wrote that PTP would be the black Edge and Christian. Then the thread came off as a "WWE sucks! But if they did things the way I'd prefer and push the guys I like, it won't." type. And that's practically every thread here. I'll never get this board's hard-on for PTP. Their matches are usually met with indifference from audiences. Cameraman usually finds the 3/4 groups of people mugging for the camera to get noticed and if it means dancing like PTP, then go with it. They're not very over and aren't anywhere near the entertaining workers and characters as Edge and Christian were. The reason I mention PTP of all things is because I've found over the past year that the easiest way to spot fantasy booking is to shoehorn PTP into booking plans in prominent positions, despite them being nothing more than enhancement talent that only received a mini push as valiant faces after one of the two members came out as homosexual. Before then, they'd get beat by Sheamus and the likes without much trouble. I do agree that the sentiment that their face turn and push is only due to Darren Young's coming out, and that "the black E&C" is a big stretch. but to say that they aren't over, even as heel enhancement talents is just not true. I dunno if I'd say the WWE screwed up as much as they took guys who looked to be big parts of the initial angle and put them on the back burner (Miz and Ziggler). The other issue is that the WWE seems hesitant to actually place the Usos in the angle. Yes they've made saves, but they aren't really part of the feud yet. I think had they held off on deciding the title at Battleground may have helped out as well. I think the only reason that the Usos are involved are because the Shield just happen to be tag team champions. The Usos, and to a lesser extent the PTPs' involvement as Bryan's allies are just as an avatar to justify the Shield still holding the tag belts despite not actually being part of the tag division. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 18:37:16 GMT -5
While I agree my interest has waned since SummerSlam, despite what many people here may think, the angle has successfully: A. Gotten Bryan over as a mega face. Win or lose, he's still WAY over. He hasn't been BuriED like so many people say. In less than a month, he defeated John Cena and Randy Orton. What do people want? Him to go undefeated for 10 months? Then everyone will complain about how he's superman. He's been booked fine as an underdog. B. Gotten Triple H to play a role of what everyone has been saying he is for the last 10 years. C. Established a lot of midcarders, elevating them and making them seem important (Usos) D. Finally taken Cody Rhodes over the hump. E. Given us a quality match every week with Orton vs somebody F. Contrary to most on the Internet's belief, gotten Big Show over with the crowd again(don't deny it, he's getting solid reactions). G. Refreshed the Shield, giving them a new angle. A. Bryan was mega over before any of this happened, this has nothing to do with it. B. No disagreeing with that one. C. Like who? Besides the Usos, who were already on the rise. Unless you count moving Ziggler down the card as establishing a midcarder. D. No disagreeing with that one. E. Eh, opinon I guess. I haven't found any of Orton's matches that strong since turning heel. F. Getting Big Show over is an accomplishment? He's been over since 1996. G. The Shield have been awesome since day one, this isn't really doing anything special for them, and it's not like they couldn't have had another angle without this. |
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Post by metylerca on Oct 7, 2013 18:52:02 GMT -5
I was in agreement until OP wrote that PTP would be the black Edge and Christian. Then the thread came off as a "WWE sucks! But if they did things the way I'd prefer and push the guys I like, it won't." type. And that's practically every thread here. I'll never get this board's hard-on for PTP. Their matches are usually met with indifference from audiences. Cameraman usually finds the 3/4 groups of people mugging for the camera to get noticed and if it means dancing like PTP, then go with it. They're not very over and aren't anywhere near the entertaining workers and characters as Edge and Christian were. The reason I mention PTP of all things is because I've found over the past year that the easiest way to spot fantasy booking is to shoehorn PTP into booking plans in prominent positions, despite them being nothing more than enhancement talent that only received a mini push as valiant faces after one of the two members came out as homosexual. Before then, they'd get beat by Sheamus and the likes without much trouble. I do agree that the sentiment that their face turn and push is only due to Darren Young's coming out, and that "the black E&C" is a big stretch. but to say that they aren't over, even as heel enhancement talents is just not true. They come out and have the same formulaic matches in front of bored crowds. 10-12 people being loud and dancing a lot doesn't mean over. Having seen them live, in comparison to other acts on the same show, I surmise that PTP just aren't as over as people say. The only consistent acts with airtime that are less over than them on WWE programming are the Divas and Brodus and Tensai. There's better acts out there. I hate to sound like one of those "NXT iz tha best!!" types, but just looking at the NXT talent pool, I can see a bunch of workers/personalities that can be called up today and be more over than the underwhelming PTP. I'm all for a tag division that's fully functioning, and all. But why not have quality, rather than quantity? 2000 WAS Edge & Christian/Dudleyz/Hardys. Other teams would challenge and might even look good from time to time. Holly/Crash, DX, Headbangers, Guerrero/Saturn, etc. But what an excellent tag division needs is more Hardys and Dudleyz, less Test/Alberts. That's what PTP is from everything of them I've seen. Sometimes solid, but solidly unspectacular. By the numbers, do their spots in front of the hard camera, all while doing nothing innovating and getting by. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 7, 2013 18:56:50 GMT -5
I actually disagree that Cody's over the hump. He's one of my favorites, I have a DCR shirt, I think in 2010-2011 he was one of the best acts going, but they've done so much to have him piggyback on Dusty Rhodes. It's not a new development that Dusty Rhodes is over, he's been over for like 40 years. I'd love to see Cody Rhodes established as his own man and as one of the top guys, he has all the tools to be, but they're not anything more than on the road to accomplishing that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 18:58:30 GMT -5
I keep telling you guys. The WWE writers are probably the same guys who write comedy sketches for SNL. They may have a solid premise, but they never got an ending for it. I guess heel Michael Cole or random candid Vince is like when Lorne Michaels makes a cameo to bury a sketch. |
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Oct 7, 2013 19:01:05 GMT -5
An angle gets super over and red hot?! Ok let's just put Trips and a Big Guy in it, and slowly make them the center of the whole thing.
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 8, 2013 21:59:04 GMT -5
"torpedoed Bryan" old geezer DB : "You sunk my battleship!" lmao , chuckles  |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 8, 2013 22:08:37 GMT -5
I actually disagree that Cody's over the hump. He's one of my favorites, I have a DCR shirt, I think in 2010-2011 he was one of the best acts going, but they've done so much to have him piggyback on Dusty Rhodes. It's not a new development that Dusty Rhodes is over, he's been over for like 40 years. I'd love to see Cody Rhodes established as his own man and as one of the top guys, he has all the tools to be, but they're not anything more than on the road to accomplishing that. I've got the same feeling. As cool as the current Rhodes angle is, and as substantial as Cody's role in it is, it just feels like such a shame to see him next to Dusty and Goldust, two incredibly distinctive personalities, and have him still just be a generic athletic young man presented broadly as "the future". Any scrub with the right relatives can do that. Curtis Axel is doing it right now. Cody's capable of a lot more. I'd say Cody's peak thus far was still when he had the mask and his own unique character. Not coincidentally, that's also when he was actually getting singles PPV feuds against stars like Mysterio and Orton. |
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Post by YaakovLee on Oct 8, 2013 22:43:11 GMT -5
I actually think this is the most interesting the WWE has been in years.
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