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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 14:30:41 GMT -5
...you just said WWE sucks and has done for years. It seems like you're trying to get a reaction from people rather than actually putting across any decent points. WWE's been bad because it's screwed up so much. There's a difference between just being "bad" and having so much potential only to just squander it. The latter is what stings more. But you're making it seem like WWE hasn't done anything right in years. If that's the way you see it, fine. Many people like a lot of what WWE is doing, myself included. Like you said in the OP, nothing is perfect. And no one is saying WWE is. When WWE does something wrong, people call them out on it. A lot. Their booking of some guys is complete dog shit. Those negatives don't erase all the positives though, which is what you seem to think. And again, why does it matter to you what other people think? I hate Glee, I don't troll Glee message boards demanding to know why they think it's any good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 14:32:58 GMT -5
I can respect that, but you're speaking in terms which makes it seem a fact that no one can possibly enjoy the product. That it must be due to delusional thinking or idiocy or similar notions. I've criticised the WWE a HELL of a lot lately, I feel they've ruined a lot, enough to make lose enjoyment & interest in following the product properly. However I also realise that people watching it have reasons for it, and I know from glancing at the Raw threads (and participating every other week) that our posters watch the show because they largely enjoy it, not in an ironic or addict of media sense, but because it pleases them. I can respect you not enjoying the product and the fact you listed reasons why you and feel the WWE flush things down the toilet too regularly (not many of us will argue against that, in fact I feel most of us will agree wholeheartedly), but the notion that others can't find things to enjoy in a product that they do currently enjoy is where the problem lies in your opening post. I don't hate anyone for their opinion, I just can't see how people can defend the product, not just like the product. I didn't say you did hate anyone, but if you can't understand why people will voice why they have a positive opinion (when they give reasons) then I feel that this forum may not be the best place for you. That's not meant to sound like an arsey remark, but your own feeling of once bitten, twice shy may not sting so much in others. I appreciate what you mean, and I often have breaks in a) financially supporting the WWE with merch/ticket purchases b) watching entirely for a few months But it doesn't mean I can't see why others continue to watch current shows/purchase items. I feel like I'm repeating myself already after 3 posts so I won't post in this thread again, but yeah, most folks on here post why they think x, y, and z, so it shouldn't be difficult to see why people can enjoy the shows.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Oct 20, 2013 14:34:58 GMT -5
Personally, I only care about what happens bell to bell. It doesn't matter to me what the "booking" is. If there's a segment that sounds fun, I'll watch it, but honestly what happens inbetween the matches is irrelevant.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 20, 2013 14:35:02 GMT -5
No joke on nothing, I would like an answer to my question. Why do you care? I can't stand Dr. Who but you don't see me going into the Dr. Who thread to know why people defend the show.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 20, 2013 14:36:33 GMT -5
Well you seem to have softened towards NXT since your settle thread.
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Post by Chip on Oct 20, 2013 14:37:13 GMT -5
Actually, I know you said not to post suggesting to watch the indies, so I won't but I will say this. The current WWE product became much more enjoyable when I had an alternative to satisfy me. Knowing I have this other show I can watch that is awesome 100% of the time made me enjoy the good things WWE does that are unique to their product more and not care so much about the shit they f*** up on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 14:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 20, 2013 14:48:46 GMT -5
You underestimate the power of opinions. People can defend anything if they really want to. There are fans of pretty much everything out there that can make a pretty good argument about them too, at that. Whether it's Twilight, Nickelback, or any one of the other "massively hated" things around, there will always be a few fans out there willing to defend it.
I'd be the last one to proclaim that the WWE's booking right now is superb right now, but it's not even close to the worst stuff I've seen. Like you said, at least the in-ring product is very good right now, albeit mainly because Daniel Bryan and The Shield are in the main event mix.
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Post by BigBadZ on Oct 20, 2013 14:50:07 GMT -5
No joke on nothing, I would like an answer to my question. Why do you care? I can't stand Dr. Who but you don't see me going into the Dr. Who thread to know why people defend the show. WHAT??!?!!?! You fiend! I cannot believe they let you in here, where is Magiconz meds. This place, my good sir, is a hive mind and if CM Punk did it, it would be okay. *disclaimer: I have never seen "Dr. Who" nor do I know if Magiconz needs medication for not liking the show*
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Oct 20, 2013 14:56:16 GMT -5
I don't care about people's opinions about WWE's product, But what I will NEVER understand is how people can defend WWE's business practices. Especially those of Vince and his circle of goons and yes-men.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 14:58:21 GMT -5
I don't care about people's opinions about WWE's product, But what I will NEVER understand is how people can defend WWE's business practices. Especially those of Vince and his circle of goons and yes-men. Depends which practices you're talking about. WWE stand to make $20m just on sponsorships this year, they must be doing something right.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 20, 2013 15:00:04 GMT -5
I don't care about people's opinions about WWE's product, But what I will NEVER understand is how people can defend WWE's business practices. Especially those of Vince and his circle of goons and yes-men. Depends which practices you're talking about. WWE stand to make $20m just on sponsorships this year, they must be doing something right. I think he's talking more about the scumminess of some of the things that WWE does.
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Post by Perd on Oct 20, 2013 15:02:15 GMT -5
How can people be so heartless? How can people be so cruel?
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Post by BigWill on Oct 20, 2013 15:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by Mrs. Potato Dick on Oct 20, 2013 15:11:22 GMT -5
How DARE we have an opinion that isn't anti-WWE?! We're terrible and should burn in hell for that. Nevermind that liking something is relative. Nevermind that no 100% of a group will like something(or hate something) 100% of the time.
You know, I f'n hate Lays sour cream and cheddar potato chips. However, I LOVE the Gaint Eagle brand of the same flavor. They're cheaper and taste better and have a better crunch and collect dip better. So should I bitch and moan and get sand in my vagina because someone else defends Lays?
Come on
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Post by molson5 on Oct 20, 2013 15:13:04 GMT -5
I don't care about people's opinions about WWE's product, But what I will NEVER understand is how people can defend WWE's business practices. Especially those of Vince and his circle of goons and yes-men. They're the most successful wrestling company in history, and it's not remotely close. None of these other smaller wrestling companies that are apparently filled with booking geniuses can make any money at all. Even when Ring of Honor was at its best, they couldn't move the needle into relevance. Everyone on the internet or who is associated with an indie is a booking and wrestling business genius, everybody in the WWE is stupid, and yet somehow the WWE is the only company who can make any money at all, let alone revenues of hundreds of millions every year, and turning a profit almost every year even in a weak economy. Just once I want to see one of these "brilliant wrestling minds" that apparently only exist outside the WWE actually make signficant money in the wrestling industry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 15:15:37 GMT -5
How DARE we have an opinion that isn't anti-WWE?! We're terrible and should burn in hell for that. Nevermind that liking something is relative. Nevermind that no 100% of a group will like something(or hate something) 100% of the time. You know, I f'n hate Lays sour cream and cheddar potato chips. However, I LOVE the Gaint Eagle brand of the same flavor. They're cheaper and taste better and have a better crunch and collect dip better. So should I bitch and moan and get sand in my vagina because someone else defends Lays? Come on It's always an appropriate occasion to get sand in your vagina.
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Post by ratetankmark on Oct 20, 2013 15:19:46 GMT -5
If you don't like it, don't watch and stop this crying and moaning about how people like the product!
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Oct 20, 2013 15:20:34 GMT -5
I've been watching WWE for 15-16 years now. I don't care about match quality or the actual sport of wrestling in general; I just like to have a good time watching this silly, silly thing I've been a part of for so long (and hey if there's a good match with a good angle supporting it, I can get into it). WWE is something that's been part of a majority of my life and I've grown to love it for what is is.
I ultimately don't give two shits about booking or behind the scenes politics or anything like that, I just like to watch a show I've been invested in since I made the switch from WCW a long time ago. Would I like to see some of my favorites get more camera time? Absolutely. But am I going to stop watching something I love because a lot of people are disappointed or pissed off that the ole 'E ain't following along with their headcanon armchair booking? No.
So in the end, it really comes down to what has already been brought up numerous times in this thread already; OPINION.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Oct 20, 2013 15:40:32 GMT -5
While I'm skeptical of certain posters who seemingly defend nearly everything WWE does (you really like *everything* WWE does 100%?), in the end that's on them, which doesn't affect my enjoyment or dissatisfaction with the product either which way. Right now, watching WWE doesn't interest me, though I'll still follow what happens in case something sounds interesting. There's easily better content on TV (and in movies, and in books, and in video games) than what WWE puts out, so I go to that instead. If people want to keep watching WWE if they like it, fine, if people want to keep watching WWE if they don't like it, fine, but neither option is something with which I'm going to spend my time when I have better things to do.
In short, who cares either which way why someone does or doesn't watch/support/buy/defend WWE?
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