Turd Ferguson
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Oct 20, 2013 17:52:44 GMT -5
I'm mad that porn is not the same way it was back in the early 80s. But honestly, I'm never going to stop watching porn because I love watching porn.
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Post by Lancers on Oct 20, 2013 17:56:21 GMT -5
I'm mad that porn is not the same way it was back in the early 80s. In Bulgaria, that's pretty much how modern porn looks like. I don't know what it is about Eastern Europeans and razors, they just don't seem interested in them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 18:16:15 GMT -5
Who the hell do you think you are? Who the hell do you think you are to attack a global juggernaut and the people who are entertained by it? I like it, I love and you can bet your ass I want some more of it! I've been a fan since I was a little boy and every week I watch it, I find another reason to love it even more. I'll just say it... I f***ing love Forest Gump! So, to the guy who hates it... Guess what buddy? Life IS like a box of chocolates, cause you NEVER KNOW what you're going to get!
Now what was this thread about?
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 20, 2013 18:20:37 GMT -5
People use the "Just change the channel" argument a lot, but I mean...people suffering through bad times on a show they don't like in the hopes it will get better or because they're attached to the characters anyway isn't unique to us. How many fans suffered through bad seasons of Dexter or sub-par seasons of Scrubs because of the heights of the show? Heck, I love Community and I didn't really like the last season but it's part of my routine now so I watch it anyway. I feel like people who just say "change the channel" think that people who don't like the show are far more invested in disliking it than the are, it doesn't take much to post about your displeasure on the internet after all. I can understand still watching a show that you loved, but at some point you do have to pull the plug. If you haven't enjoyed a show that's been consistently on for years and still watch to complain, then it's really on you more than the show.
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Post by DoubleDare on Oct 20, 2013 18:21:42 GMT -5
I defended WWF in the mid 90s like probably in 96 to wcw fans. Now I can admit I can see why people prefered wcw in 96 lol. But 97 I was definitely onto something! Certainly from summer on!
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Oct 20, 2013 18:22:28 GMT -5
Sounds like somebody needs a new hobby.
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Post by king031 on Oct 20, 2013 18:25:34 GMT -5
They're the most successful wrestling company in history, and it's not remotely close. None of these other smaller wrestling companies that are apparently filled with booking geniuses can make any money at all. Even when Ring of Honor was at its best, they couldn't move the needle into relevance. Everyone on the internet or who is associated with an indie is a booking and wrestling business genius, everybody in the WWE is stupid, and yet somehow the WWE is the only company who can make any money at all, let alone revenues of hundreds of millions every year, and turning a profit almost every year even in a weak economy. Just once I want to see one of these "brilliant wrestling minds" that apparently only exist outside the WWE actually make signficant money in the wrestling industry. But would the wwe still be able to do the same if they weren't back by millions? They can get away with pushing certain guys because their audience will bitch but will still continue to watch. You can't really do that in an indy fed. When Vince bought the company from his dad, it wasn't exactly some no name indy(and it was a different time as well). He had a little bit of room already to work with, versus an indy fed today who has to fight through astronomical odds for any attention. Likewise, if millions of dollars and a tv deal fell on PWG's lap, would they still not grow? You make it sound as if all indy companies are small because they are buffoons who have no idea what they are doing. Could a company work with no money,well WWE did when they were in the red in 95-96 and when they werent much to start with in 60s,70s Vincent Kennedy McMahon put the whole company and finances on the line to support the First WM. He saw talent and brought them to one place and he did what no other promotion thought to do,expand. He was the first with a national tv deal leading to expansion and the growth of professional wrestling from Hulkamania,Hart,DX,Attitude Era to a multi-hundred million dollar revenue family corporation. Contrary to your "Indyz great,WWE Sucx and is only there bc of money", Vince Jr took the reigns from Sr and made this company and professional wrestling what it is. Without the WWE,without Vinces genius,will,creativity There would be no Austin,Rock,Wrestlemania,attitude era,no message boards to speak of. Professional wrestling would have been what it was before Vince Jr took over,a regional promotion,indies all over and different companies spanning different states none nationally Much less Globally. Now I realize you hate WWE and indyz,attitude era hur dur,and you dont wtch it and clntribute to WWEs dupport or bottom line so why are you here?
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Post by Wolfaga on Oct 20, 2013 18:26:10 GMT -5
Please don't give me the usual "quit whining" or "don't watch", because I really don't watch anymore If you stopped watching, why are you even complaining? This thread makes no sense, I think you'd do good with a Tommy Wiseau gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 18:27:25 GMT -5
But would the wwe still be able to do the same if they weren't back by millions? They can get away with pushing certain guys because their audience will bitch but will still continue to watch. You can't really do that in an indy fed. When Vince bought the company from his dad, it wasn't exactly some no name indy(and it was a different time as well). He had a little bit of room already to work with, versus an indy fed today who has to fight through astronomical odds for any attention. Likewise, if millions of dollars and a tv deal fell on PWG's lap, would they still not grow? You make it sound as if all indy companies are small because they are buffoons who have no idea what they are doing. Could a company work with no money,well WWE did when they were in the red in 95-96 and when they werent much to start with in 60s,70s Vincent Kennedy McMahon put the whole company and finances on the line to support the First WM. He saw talent and brought them to one place and he did what no other promotion thought to do,expand. He was the first with a national tv deal leading to expansion and the growth of professional wrestling from Hulkamania,Hart,DX,Attitude Era to a multi-hundred million dollar revenue family corporation. Contrary to your "Indyz great,WWE Sucx and is only there bc of money", Vince Jr took the reigns from Sr and made this company and professional wrestling what it is. Without the WWE,without Vinces genius,will,creativity There would be no Austin,Rock,Wrestlemania,attitude era,no message boards to speak of. Professional wrestling would have been what it was before Vince Jr took over,a regional promotion,indies all over and different companies spanning different states none nationally Much less Globally. Now I realize you hate WWE and indyz,attitude era hur dur,and you dont wtch it and clntribute to WWEs dupport or bottom line so why are you here? Whoa now, settle down. That's in no way what he said.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Oct 20, 2013 18:33:03 GMT -5
But would the wwe still be able to do the same if they weren't back by millions? They can get away with pushing certain guys because their audience will bitch but will still continue to watch. You can't really do that in an indy fed. When Vince bought the company from his dad, it wasn't exactly some no name indy(and it was a different time as well). He had a little bit of room already to work with, versus an indy fed today who has to fight through astronomical odds for any attention. Likewise, if millions of dollars and a tv deal fell on PWG's lap, would they still not grow? You make it sound as if all indy companies are small because they are buffoons who have no idea what they are doing. Could a company work with no money,well WWE did when they were in the red in 95-96 and when they werent much to start with in 60s,70s Vincent Kennedy McMahon put the whole company and finances on the line to support the First WM. He saw talent and brought them to one place and he did what no other promotion thought to do,expand. He was the first with a national tv deal leading to expansion and the growth of professional wrestling from Hulkamania,Hart,DX,Attitude Era to a multi-hundred million dollar revenue family corporation. Contrary to your "Indyz great,WWE Sucx and is only there bc of money", Vince Jr took the reigns from Sr and made this company and professional wrestling what it is. Without the WWE,without Vinces genius,will,creativity There would be no Austin,Rock,Wrestlemania,attitude era,no message boards to speak of. Professional wrestling would have been what it was before Vince Jr took over,a regional promotion,indies all over and different companies spanning different states none nationally Much less Globally. Now I realize you hate WWE and indyz,attitude era hur dur,and you dont wtch it and clntribute to WWEs dupport or bottom line so why are you here? The hell is your problem?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 18:35:56 GMT -5
WWE is essentially like Walmart.
Moron leaders, horrible business model, still makes money because they have such a massive financial advantage over competition. Someone on the indies is a big name? Buy them. Another business provides superior service and goods? Sell at a loss.
Same deal, really.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 20, 2013 18:43:54 GMT -5
WWE is essentially like Walmart. Moron leaders, horrible business model, still makes money because they have such a massive financial advantage over competition. Someone on the indies is a big name? Buy them. Another business provides superior service and goods? Sell at a loss. Same deal, really. Why does Walmart have a "massive financial advantage" over Sears, or Woolworth, or Filene's, etc? Those companies were all more successful than Walmart at one point, why didn't they just use their financial advantage to stay on top forever and not let Walmart gain a foothold? Isn't obtaining the "massive financial advantage" kind of the point and goal of running a business, and something that most fail spectacularly at?
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Post by PTBartman on Oct 20, 2013 18:44:20 GMT -5
I've been watching WWE for 15-16 years now. I don't care about match quality or the actual sport of wrestling in general; I just like to have a good time watching this silly, silly thing I've been a part of for so long (and hey if there's a good match with a good angle supporting it, I can get into it). WWE is something that's been part of a majority of my life and I've grown to love it for what is is. I ultimately don't give two shits about booking or behind the scenes politics or anything like that, I just like to watch a show I've been invested in since I made the switch from WCW a long time ago. Would I like to see some of my favorites get more camera time? Absolutely. But am I going to stop watching something I love because a lot of people are disappointed or pissed off that the ole 'E ain't following along with their headcanon armchair booking? No. So in the end, it really comes down to what has already been brought up numerous times in this thread already; OPINION. I was forming my response when I realized, that except for starting "I've been watching for WWWF/WWF/WWE for 40 years" this is almost verbatim what I would have written. Well stated, nhisjericho.
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Post by king031 on Oct 20, 2013 18:44:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I wasn't at ALL talking about booking, or anything like that. I was talking about things like the way writers are treated by Stephanie and others, the way J.R. was treated by Vince and his cronies for years, the way they pretend that it's squeaky clean when they (re)built WWE on what was pretty much smut. Things like THAT. so basically youre an indy smark who loves the attitude era,indys WWE sux,Vince is scum,reads the newz hur dur, and anything you read about "backstage",creative,a push you hate. You hate anything that doesnt go your way.Oh I hate how so and so is being a writer,how they wont push or push this person,berries,Just stop. Kevin Nash and CM punk said it be best,smarks and indy fans,WeE sux,attitude era are extremely gullible,naive,and stupid,They dont know sht about professional wrestling.Oh you read the interwebs and know a lot of insider terms,yep this guys a professional right here. You stream ppvs bc its "edgy","cool",against the establishment,I wont cheer or support the majority,I hate big companies WWE sux and you wonder why the WWE doesnt listen to you or has your ideas or stories in mind, You are the epitome of a Hilster,a Wrestling Hipster to the extreme. They like indy bands and when they get big they hate them.They hate bands that are major sponsored or backed.They use old things ir love the past and trash the current besides indies. You do the same damn thing.Support an indy guy and then when WWE backs them hated.Whoever WWE pushes and supports you hate.You love attitude era,hate now bc hur dur Cena PG,berries,"push".You hate WWE love the indies. Youre just like a majority of Youtube commenters or most of IWC,now either bc youre trying to basically be a hipster personified or bc its "edgy",cool,against the mainstream just cuz,because youre "independent",you hate the masses and are one". And your other point, name one company where rumors and news about it are all good thats successful,thats a big company,YOu Cant. Coke,Pepsi,ATT,Apple,Windows,Google,Facebook,General Electric,BP,Walmart,Nike,Hollywood,NFL,NbA,MLB,Olympics?wht you claim you hate about "backstage politics"which you know Absolutely NOTHinG about and read from newz is in EvERY Company. And about the past,the WWE isnt whitewashing the past,theyre building a future and now theyre a global family watched multi national corporation,Why would any company bring up a bad past or acknowledge it or bring attention and spotlight bad things, What are companies not allowed to change?They apparently have to stay the same and any bad they have done they have to mention an bring attention to it bc in your opinion theyre lying,whitewashing it if they dont. Look at Disnep,Nike,MLB,NBA,Hollywood,And every single company,sports organization everything.
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 20, 2013 18:51:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I wasn't at ALL talking about booking, or anything like that. I was talking about things like the way writers are treated by Stephanie and others, the way J.R. was treated by Vince and his cronies for years, the way they pretend that it's squeaky clean when they (re)built WWE on what was pretty much smut. Things like THAT. so basically youre an indy smark who loves the attitude era,indys WWE sux,Vince is scum,reads the newz hur dur, and anything you read about "backstage",creative,a push you hate. You hate anything that doesnt go your way.Oh I hate how so and so is being a writer,how they wont push or push this person,berries,Just stop. Kevin Nash and CM punk said it be best,smarks and indy fans,WeE sux,attitude era are extremely gullible,naive,and stupid,They dont know sht about professional wrestling.Oh you read the interwebs and know a lot of insider terms,yep this guys a professional right here. You stream ppvs bc its "edgy","cool",against the establishment,I wont cheer or support the majority,I hate big companies WWE sux and you wonder why the WWE doesnt listen to you or has your ideas or stories in mind, You are the epitome of a Hilster,a Wrestling Hipster to the extreme. They like indy bands and when they get big they hate them.They hate bands that are major sponsored or backed.They use old things ir love the past and trash the current besides indies. You do the same damn thing.Support an indy guy and then when WWE backs them hated.Whoever WWE pushes and supports you hate.You love attitude era,hate now bc hur dur Cena PG,berries,"push".You hate WWE love the indies. Youre just like a majority of Youtube commenters or most of IWC,now either bc youre trying to basically be a hipster personified or bc its "edgy",cool,against the mainstream just cuz,because youre "independent",you hate the masses and are one". And your other point, name one company where rumors and news about it are all good thats successful,thats a big company,YOu Cant. Coke,Pepsi,ATT,Apple,Windows,Google,Facebook,General Electric,BP,Walmart,Nike,Hollywood,NFL,NbA,MLB,Olympics?wht you claim you hate about "backstage politics"which you know Absolutely NOTHinG about and read from newz is in EvERY Company. And about the past,the WWE isnt whitewashing the past,theyre building a future and now theyre a global family watched multi national corporation,Why would any company bring up a bad past or acknowledge it or bring attention and spotlight bad things, What are companies not allowed to change?They apparently have to stay the same and any bad they have done they have to mention an bring attention to it bc in your opinion theyre lying,whitewashing it if they dont. Look at Disnep,Nike,MLB,NBA,Hollywood,And every single company,sports organization everything. Stop. Just... stop. That isn't even remotely what he said. At all!
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Post by Starshine on Oct 20, 2013 18:57:14 GMT -5
Everyone ignore King031. He's too far gone at this point.
On topic. Personally I'm not enjoying the main angles the company is running. I'm not watching, but I am following the story so I know what's going on. That's why I hate this whole thing about not being allowed to have an opinion because I don't physically watch. Motherf***er, it's a 5 hour investment every week. I don't have that sort of time. Also when has WWE ever told their stories in a way that the only way you can appreciate them is by physically sitting on your ass and watching it. It's never that deep to the point where you can only appreciate the story in person. THere have been stories I've enjoyed that I haven't seen much of on TV because I don't have time. Am I wrong in liking them too because I have a life outside of watching wrestling? f*** that.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 20, 2013 18:57:26 GMT -5
Please don't give me the usual "quit whining" or "don't watch", because I really don't watch anymore, I don't buy anything from WWE (never really have anyways), I have no intentions of ever seeing a live event, I don't even stream PPVs anymore, and the only wrestling I watch is older stuff. Then why the f*** are you hanging around a message board talking about the current WWE product berating people who are watching it? Do you seriously consider this a constructive and/or pleasurable use of your time? This might sound like an insult, but it's the best advice I can give you: Take a step back and reevaluate your life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 19:01:52 GMT -5
WWE is essentially like Walmart. Moron leaders, horrible business model, still makes money because they have such a massive financial advantage over competition. Someone on the indies is a big name? Buy them. Another business provides superior service and goods? Sell at a loss. Same deal, really. Why does Walmart have a "massive financial advantage" over Sears, or Woolworth, or Filene's, etc? Those companies were all more successful than Walmart at one point, why didn't they just use their financial advantage to stay on top forever and not let Walmart gain a foothold? Isn't obtaining the "massive financial advantage" kind of the point and goal of running a business, and something that most fail spectacularly at? Because Sam Walton was a very smart businessman who knew how to run his company. His kids are very wealthy but also very useless. No business sense, no creativity, but a lot of money. They can win by default until a better company overtakes them. They have a huge life preserver to compensate in the meantime, however. Having more money than the competition is great...if you have someone who actually understands how to make money. It's what happens with many businesses, or historically, ruling dynasties. Someone smart takes over, creates something big, their offspring who either don't want to be in charge or are too dumb to do so have a grace period where more intelligent and effective competition is stamped out because of an advantage they have stored up, and once it wears away they end up losing everything--and employees, customers, etc. all pay for it too. WWF was complacent and shiftless twenty years ago, and this was when Vince still had some idea how to run the company. They almost got stamped out by WCW, and managed to survive. But if they didn't have Triple H running the show they'd be in bad shape. Not because of competition but because the company has steadily damaged itself over the years. Misusing talents, firing people over petty politics, not booking shows and storylines effectively to get people over, cracking down on free advertising, taking too long to harness merchandising potential, and so on. Simply put, WWE's not a very good company. It's a company, and it's successful enough, but its dominance is very fragile. Vince, Kevin Dunn and Stephanie don't seem to really know what they're doing, and haven't for years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 19:05:58 GMT -5
This thread kinda proves OP's point....kinda.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 20, 2013 19:07:46 GMT -5
Why does Walmart have a "massive financial advantage" over Sears, or Woolworth, or Filene's, etc? Those companies were all more successful than Walmart at one point, why didn't they just use their financial advantage to stay on top forever and not let Walmart gain a foothold? Isn't obtaining the "massive financial advantage" kind of the point and goal of running a business, and something that most fail spectacularly at? Because Sam Walton was a very smart businessman who knew how to run his company. His kids are very wealthy but also very useless. No business sense, no creativity, but a lot of money. They can win by default until a better company overtakes them. They have a huge life preserver to compensate in the meantime, however. Having more money than the competition is great...if you have someone who actually understands how to make money. It's what happens with many businesses, or historically, ruling dynasties. Someone smart takes over, creates something big, their offspring who either don't want to be in charge or are too dumb to do so have a grace period where more intelligent and effective competition is stamped out because of an advantage they have stored up, and once it wears away they end up losing everything--and employees, customers, etc. all pay for it too. WWF was complacent and shiftless twenty years ago, and this was when Vince still had some idea how to run the company. They almost got stamped out by WCW, and managed to survive. But if they didn't have Triple H running the show they'd be in bad shape. Not because of competition but because the company has steadily damaged itself over the years. Misusing talents, firing people over petty politics, not booking shows and storylines effectively to get people over, cracking down on free advertising, taking too long to harness merchandising potential, and so on. Simply put, WWE's not a very good company. It's a company, and it's successful enough, but its dominance is very fragile. Vince, Kevin Dunn and Stephanie don't seem to really know what they're doing, and haven't for years. If all you need is some limited success to last forever, where are WCW and Woolworth? And if it's so easy to run a wrestling company and the WWE are a bunch of bafoons, why has nobody besides the WWE managed to do it in 15 years? TNA's got money, Ring of Honor got a TV deal and a corporate affiliation. Why can't the wrestling booking geniuses get into the WWE OR TNA or Ring of Honor, or figure out how to raise a little money themselves? I think of that Wrestling Retribution guy that got a lot of people excited and riled up who have this mindset that the WWE is this huge incompetent evil entity, and that the real wrestling geniuses were himself and others on the outside, and he got all the money he asked for and more and he couldn't do anything. Just one time I want to see this work, even temporarily, before I join in this conclusion that the WWE is terrible at this and the message board posters know everything. Edit: In nowhere else in business or entertainment does it work like this. Myspace was the most dominant and popular social media site in the world. They had massive financial advantages. It didn't guarantee their relevance forever, ultimately all it took was a few smarter guys who made a better product to drive them down. Because if you truly deliver a superior product that will actually sell to the masses, the venture capitalists will find you. In wrestling though, unlike any other industry apparently, despite the fact that the message board posters and indy bookers are the real talent, (apparently), nobody can make a dime besides this one terrible company that doesn't know what it's doing.
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