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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 10, 2013 11:57:37 GMT -5
So I was thinking about this a lot this morning after drunkenly attempting to give a friend a Rock Bottom last night. She was very confused, with me suddenly grabbing her and yelling "ROG BODOM" and then sort of falling on top of her into a futon, but I was confused too, because, though I'm pretty sure I got the set-up of the move right, I couldn't figure out how to execute the actual slam. Now sober, this morning, I've been on youtube watching rock bottoms for like twenty minutes, and I can't for the life of me figure out how the move actually works, despite it making "visual sense." He hooks your arm over his, and hooks his arms around you (though sometimes he doesn't even do that, just drapes an arm across you, and then... Well, what appears to happen is that you are somehow launched into the air. Like through telekinesis or maybe he hypnotizes you to jump or maybe he is a magnet, because in the most effective Rock Bottoms what SEEMS to happen is that The Rock leaps with you and then YANKS YOU BACK DOWN from your upward trajectory to slam you down. Like seriously, if you watch some of them you'll see that the execution of the move varies enough that you can never really be sure how the "lift" part of the move happens; in an actual fight, you'd have to be like physically LEAPING directly upward for the move to work at all, and yet we've just sort of accepted this as the finisher of the second most popular wrestler of all time. Granted, most wrestling moves don't make much sense without cooperation from both people; but what is your favorite that just makes no sense at all? THE LIST: Rock Bottom The Catapult Kelly Kelly's...thing The Big Ending Slingshot *ARGUABLE* The Chokeslam Irish Whip Overdrive Canadian Destroyer
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 12:02:42 GMT -5
"The Big E.nding" is odd to wrap your head around. Isn't the majority of your opponent's weight landing on top of your upper torso?
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 10, 2013 12:08:01 GMT -5
Any Sin Cara finisher.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 12:09:54 GMT -5
Kelly Kelly's spinning/screaming headscissors got a lot of "suspending your belief" hate for years, and it's too recent to just let go.
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Post by craigdanbeaton on Nov 10, 2013 12:10:00 GMT -5
Well as I'm sure you're aware once you become a wrestler you grow springs on the soles of your feet meaning that when an opponent pulls your feet towards the ground at a small angle you fly 5 feet into the air.
In other words The Catapult.
I've got a friend into wrestling this year and the first time he saw the move he burst out laughing and said that he could handle magical zombies and whatever the hell Kane is but he can't handle that.
HE SAID IT MADE LESS SENSE THAN KANE, soak that in.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 10, 2013 12:13:01 GMT -5
Only on the FAN boards can somebody brag about physically abusing an unwilling victim, while in a drunken rage, with moves they learned by watching wrestling and hide it under the guise of being a thread about unrealistic wrestling moves. Shame. I've never understood how the Russian Legsweep hurts one person more than the other. I get that it's a takedown, but the fall should hurt both competitors equally. Realistically, I'd think that it should be quickly transitioned into another move on the ground.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Nov 10, 2013 12:14:10 GMT -5
Related to the Rock Bottom but somehow even more physics-defying, there's this. I don't know the generic name of the move (Kazarian's version is the Flux Capacitor) but I can't stand it. Pro wrestling has gotten be to suspend disbelief on a lot of moves, like how a guy keeps running after an Irish Whip, but a backflippy Rock Bottom is just too convoluted for me to see as anything but "let's hug and flip together".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 12:16:07 GMT -5
Octagon did that at the When Worlds Collide PPV, hitting a side-Russian legsweep and locking in an Octopus on Art Barr, getting the submission out of nowhere. Great sequence.
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Post by craigdanbeaton on Nov 10, 2013 12:18:12 GMT -5
Once the shock value of the Canadian Destroyer wore off it became this for me as well actually.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Nov 10, 2013 12:21:48 GMT -5
So I was thinking about this a lot this morning after drunkenly attempting to give a friend a Rock Bottom last night. She was very confused, with me suddenly grabbing her and yelling "ROG BODOM" and then sort of falling on top of her into a futon That sounds like my kinda party.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 10, 2013 12:23:03 GMT -5
Not WWE, but the Canadian Destroyer is probably the embodiment of this. Just... how the hell do you flip a guy over like that if he's not helping you do it?
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 10, 2013 12:59:23 GMT -5
I think the Canadian Destroyer works (when it's done right, when it's done well) for the very reason that if you get a bit of a running lead-up, it would make sense that as you flip, your momentum in turn, once you grasp your opponent, would make them flip too. Otherwise it's just a faster sunset flip that knocks you on your head instead of your shoulders/back.
I would add that the pump-handle slam. That move has always looked like it wastes movement and momentum.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 10, 2013 12:59:25 GMT -5
This is a slightly different thing, but shouldn't taking a move through a table.... LESSEN its impact? The table is breaking your fall!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:07:48 GMT -5
Can anyone explain what the Overdrive is supposed to be?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:10:19 GMT -5
I'll go a little old-school here: the powerslam. Most stars who would do the powerslam would get a running start and it looked like they were driving their shoulder into their opponent, knocking the wind out of them. (Davey Boy Smith, Steve Williams)
Junkyard Dog's powerslam? Holds the guy, raises one foot a foot off the mat and falls down on top of him. I loved the man, but that finisher just looked so weak in comparison.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 10, 2013 13:12:14 GMT -5
So I was thinking about this a lot this morning after drunkenly attempting to give a friend a Rock Bottom last night. She was very confused, with me suddenly grabbing her and yelling "ROG BODOM" and then sort of falling on top of her into a futon, but I was confused too, because, though I'm pretty sure I got the set-up of the move right, I couldn't figure out how to execute the actual slam. Now sober, this morning, I've been on youtube watching rock bottoms for like twenty minutes, and I can't for the life of me figure out how the move actually works, despite it making "visual sense." He hooks your arm over his, and hooks his arms around you (though sometimes he doesn't even do that, just drapes an arm across you, and then... Well, what appears to happen is that you are somehow launched into the air. Like through telekinesis or maybe he hypnotizes you to jump or maybe he is a magnet, because in the most effective Rock Bottoms what SEEMS to happen is that The Rock leaps with you and then YANKS YOU BACK DOWN from your upward trajectory to slam you down. Like seriously, if you watch some of them you'll see that the execution of the move varies enough that you can never really be sure how the "lift" part of the move happens; in an actual fight, you'd have to be like physically LEAPING directly upward for the move to work at all, and yet we've just sort of accepted this as the finisher of the second most popular wrestler of all time. Granted, most wrestling moves don't make much sense without cooperation from both people; but what is your favorite that just makes no sense at all? THE LIST:Rock Bottom If she was a heavier woman, it could explain why you couldn't lift her.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Nov 10, 2013 13:14:06 GMT -5
Grab a guy in a fight and try to make him run somewhere against his will. Let me know how that goes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:14:12 GMT -5
As for the Rock Bottom I want to say that the Rock used to sweep the other guys legs and then somehow that part just disappeared over time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:15:58 GMT -5
Yokozuna did the Rock Bottom for years, he just never left his feet. Ask Vader how that went at Survivor Series '96.
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 10, 2013 13:17:51 GMT -5
This thread begins and ends with the slingshot.
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