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Post by britishbulldog on Nov 10, 2013 20:29:30 GMT -5
The slingshot doesn't work when they launch them across the ring, but when it is used under the bottom rope, I can say that it actually will work as long as you have their legs far enough up.
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Post by Kitchen Sink on Nov 10, 2013 20:36:20 GMT -5
First, I wish I knew a girl like Kneelift in real life. Second, my physics defying movie is the RKO, not so much the execution but the aftermath. You're driving a guy down face first in the mat, essentially KO'ing them, so why do they immediately flip to their backs every single time?! I never understood why Orton doesn't just roll them over onto their backs for the pin. On a similar note, whenever Stone Cold hit the Stunner in a regular match the opponent was knocked out on his back, but if he used it in a battle royal the opponent would immediately pop up and stagger around until Austin threw them over the ropes. I've never understood that. Remember when DX would do the Superkick/Pedigree combo? Normally the superkick would knock the person out cold in a singles match, but when Shawn was in a tag match the move would cause the opponent to stagger into a Pedigree.
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Post by Waffel113 on Nov 10, 2013 20:42:55 GMT -5
I echo MichaelMartini in that I wish I knew someone like Kneelift in real life.
As for the topic at hand, four pages and not one mention of the Lie Detector? For shame.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 10, 2013 21:01:05 GMT -5
I feel like we must be missing some obvious ones
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Post by Hurbster on Nov 10, 2013 21:11:23 GMT -5
What was that flippy thing that Paul Birchill used to do ?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 10, 2013 21:11:26 GMT -5
The Rock Bottom is a heavily modified version of a Ura-nage judo throw. It either works with a height/leverage advantage; in that you, the taller judoka, can use that angle to simply fall forward with a controlled landing, and they, your opponent, will be carried downward via the momentum. The more traditional throws though are utilized by sweeping the back leg simultaneously, thus destroying any and all chance to block, or by using the Gi for extra leverage.
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Post by Chip on Nov 10, 2013 21:12:17 GMT -5
The People's Elbow. The Five Knuckle Shuffle. The Boom Drop. Man, how can you forget The Worm.
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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 10, 2013 22:17:58 GMT -5
The People's Elbow. The Five Knuckle Shuffle. The Boom Drop. Man, how can you forget The Worm. The physics of the moves are fine, you just shouldn't get a pin with them.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 10, 2013 23:20:48 GMT -5
The worm doesn't count, because getting hit in the throat would suck horribly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 23:37:31 GMT -5
I've also always hated stunner/jawbreaker sells.
They don't just shoot back, they pop like they're inside that Boggle chamber.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 10, 2013 23:41:52 GMT -5
That tombstone piledriver reversal spot, where the standing guy leans back and the other guy lands on his feet and stands up, pulling the first guy up into a piledriver of his own. There's really no way for that thing to work without both dudes cooperating with each other.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 10, 2013 23:41:57 GMT -5
So I was thinking about this a lot this morning after drunkenly attempting to give a friend a Rock Bottom last night. She was very confused, with me suddenly grabbing her and yelling "ROG BODOM" and then sort of falling on top of her into a futon, but I was confused too, because, though I'm pretty sure I got the set-up of the move right, I couldn't figure out how to execute the actual slam. Well of course she's not going to elevate if you give away your game plan by telling "ROG BODOM." Your problem isn't physics, it's strategy. On running the ropes, I always tell myself that the guy who is getting whipped goes along with it because he decides to use the momentum to set up his own move -- shoulder block, clothesline, press, whatever. While the guy who is initiating the move does so with the expectation that the opponent is going to run the ropes for that reason, or that he catches the opponent at a time when his feet aren't planted so that he can't really keep from going along -- if you're being slung that way anyway, you run along with it rather than getting your balance too far forward and falling on your face, which would make you more vulnerable. Yes, that's stupid, but it makes sense to me.
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Post by isink on Nov 10, 2013 23:43:05 GMT -5
Read a story about how Ryback couldn't do his finisher on Paul Heyman at a house show because he was to fat to assist.
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Post by Talent Name on Nov 10, 2013 23:44:53 GMT -5
What was that flippy thing that Paul Birchill used to do ? The C4
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 10, 2013 23:47:33 GMT -5
So I was thinking about this a lot this morning after drunkenly attempting to give a friend a Rock Bottom last night. She was very confused, with me suddenly grabbing her and yelling "ROG BODOM" and then sort of falling on top of her into a futon, but I was confused too, because, though I'm pretty sure I got the set-up of the move right, I couldn't figure out how to execute the actual slam. Well of course she's not going to elevate if you give away your game plan by telling "ROG BODOM." Your problem isn't physics, it's strategy. On running the ropes, I always tell myself that the guy who is getting whipped goes along with it because he decides to use the momentum to set up his own move -- shoulder block, clothesline, press, whatever. While the guy who is initiating the move does so with the expectation that the opponent is going to run the ropes for that reason, or that he catches the opponent at a time when his feet aren't planted so that he can't really keep from going along -- if you're being slung that way anyway, you run along with it rather than getting your balance too far forward and falling on your face, which would make you more vulnerable. Yes, that's stupid, but it makes sense to me. She had no idea what I was doing, doesn't know anything about any form of wrestling finishing move, and yet has also received at different times over the years a "hurcarara" and "stone stunner." I also occasionally yell the word "BOOM" right before I attack, and I only do it at parties with a lot of people. It's a four drinks in kind of thing. I also casually reference my favorite shows of all time, which are apparently called "Masocal Life" and "Buffy Vampire Slayger." It's bad news. There is footage of the stone stunner that will remain forever in ex-boyfriend's camera like the dead sea scrolls. I am much shorter than her so it was impossible even in a "maybe theoretically possible" way. The irish whip thing is hard to excuse; it's so fundamentally a "dream logic" thing.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 10, 2013 23:56:42 GMT -5
The worm doesn't count, because getting hit in the throat would suck horribly. The problem with the worm is that if the opponent's so hurt that they end up lying still that entire time, you should have been able to just pin him without even doing it.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 10, 2013 23:59:45 GMT -5
So I was thinking about this a lot this morning after drunkenly attempting to give a friend a Rock Bottom last night. She was very confused, with me suddenly grabbing her and yelling "ROG BODOM" and then sort of falling on top of her into a futon, but I was confused too, because, though I'm pretty sure I got the set-up of the move right, I couldn't figure out how to execute the actual slam. Well of course she's not going to elevate if you give away your game plan by telling "ROG BODOM." Your problem isn't physics, it's strategy. On running the ropes, I always tell myself that the guy who is getting whipped goes along with it because he decides to use the momentum to set up his own move -- shoulder block, clothesline, press, whatever. While the guy who is initiating the move does so with the expectation that the opponent is going to run the ropes for that reason, or that he catches the opponent at a time when his feet aren't planted so that he can't really keep from going along -- if you're being slung that way anyway, you run along with it rather than getting your balance too far forward and falling on your face, which would make you more vulnerable. Yes, that's stupid, but it makes sense to me. I agree with your logic on selling the Irish Whip. Because it is totally possible to whip someone for a few steps. But, when they stop, you've got them dead to rights. By the time they are turning back around, they're already clobbered from behind. So running with the whip keeps some distance between the guy & his attacker & gives him a chance "to use the momentum to set up his own move."
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 11, 2013 0:04:55 GMT -5
Well of course she's not going to elevate if you give away your game plan by telling "ROG BODOM." Your problem isn't physics, it's strategy. On running the ropes, I always tell myself that the guy who is getting whipped goes along with it because he decides to use the momentum to set up his own move -- shoulder block, clothesline, press, whatever. While the guy who is initiating the move does so with the expectation that the opponent is going to run the ropes for that reason, or that he catches the opponent at a time when his feet aren't planted so that he can't really keep from going along -- if you're being slung that way anyway, you run along with it rather than getting your balance too far forward and falling on your face, which would make you more vulnerable. Yes, that's stupid, but it makes sense to me. I agree with your logic on selling the Irish Whip. Because it is totally possible to whip someone for a few steps. But, when they stop, you've got them dead to rights. By the time they are turning back around, they're already clobbered from behind. So running with the whip keeps some distance between the guy & his attacker & gives him a chance "to use the momentum to set up his own move." Didn't Ted DiBiase have a clothesline that worked on this premise?
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 11, 2013 0:53:33 GMT -5
I've always thought that the wrestler just goes along with it to possibly set up his own move like Saintpat said. The problem is they need more people to do different things with it, like how Al Snow would baseball slide out of it, or when big guys refuse to move, usually closelining the guy instead.
I've got a good one: The stalling suplex. It's obvious the guy taking it is trying his hardest to stay in that position. Physics says you can't lift someone up and they'll involuntarily plank for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 1:37:51 GMT -5
The worm doesn't count, because getting hit in the throat would suck horribly. The problem with the worm is that if the opponent's so hurt that they end up lying still that entire time, you should have been able to just pin him without even doing it. In fact, as an extension of this, there's really no reason to be getting hit by any top rope move while you're down either. Why would you lay still all that time while someone goes out, climbs up to the top, then elbow drops you or something? It takes 10+ seconds. Think about how hurt you'd have to be IRL for someone to knock you down and successfully do something like that to you without you avoiding it. #itsstillrealtomedamnit
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