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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 10, 2013 13:17:57 GMT -5
With quite a few submissions, I always wonder why they don't just crawl out during the set up. Like, when Ric Flair used to do a little dance whilst holding his opponent's leg before the Figure Four, they'd sometimes just lie there watching him like "Nooooooooooooo." before he actually locked it in.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Nov 10, 2013 13:21:03 GMT -5
I think the Canadian Destroyer works (when it's done right, when it's done well) for the very reason that if you get a bit of a running lead-up, it would make sense that as you flip, your momentum in turn, once you grasp your opponent, would make them flip too. Otherwise it's just a faster sunset flip that knocks you on your head instead of your shoulders/back. I don't think it's possible to generate enough force to do it. your opponent's bodyweight is acting against all the way. Best case scenario: you're coming off the ropes full speed, your opponent tries to back body drop you. You grab his waist trying to reverse it into a canadian destroyer. Lets freeze it at that point. You're upside down, he's standing straight up. You've got a fair amount of momentum, but zero leverage. You've got a waistlock on, his head is between your legs. What the Canadian destroyer requires you to do is convert your momentum into flipping him 180 degrees to land on his head, largely through the waistlock. It doesn't matter how strong you are, you have no leverage. I don't think you could do it.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 10, 2013 13:26:59 GMT -5
The chokeslam. Unless you're twice some elses height/weight, no way you're getting the power to do that without them helping.
Honestly, one you remove strikes and submissions, the moves that you realistically could use would be faster to go through. You could hit the powerbomb from the right set up, ditto with piledriver. You could hit a stunner, but it probably wouldn't do much if you were being fought.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 10, 2013 13:33:40 GMT -5
The chokeslam. Unless you're twice some elses height/weight, no way you're getting the power to do that without them helping. Honestly, one you remove strikes and submissions, the moves that you realistically could use would be faster to go through. You could hit the powerbomb from the right set up, ditto with piledriver. You could hit a stunner, but it probably wouldn't do much if you were being fought. So, you're saying Abraham Lincoln was a Sports Entertainer & not a wrestler?
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 10, 2013 13:46:55 GMT -5
First, I wish I knew a girl like Kneelift in real life. Second, my physics defying movie is the RKO, not so much the execution but the aftermath. You're driving a guy down face first in the mat, essentially KO'ing them, so why do they immediately flip to their backs every single time?! I never understood why Orton doesn't just roll them over onto their backs for the pin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:47:00 GMT -5
The figure 4 reversal that hurts the other person just because you both turned over.
Almost all wrestling submission holds do hurt if you want them to (including the figure 4 itself)...and then there's this reversal that isn't grounded in reality at all. In fact not only would it not hurt the person doing the move, if the applicator of the move just keeps pressing down on the crossed leg the move will still hurt the recipient the same way it did when they were face up.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 10, 2013 13:48:34 GMT -5
I'm updating the OP
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Post by Lancers on Nov 10, 2013 13:52:36 GMT -5
Not so much the physics, but reversing a figure four leg lock with a chokeslam.
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Post by Talent Name on Nov 10, 2013 14:06:43 GMT -5
Kofi's SOS I still am baffled at how that works
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 14:19:06 GMT -5
I once bruised a kids shoulder so bad teachers thought it was dislocated when I gave him a rock bottom in elementary school. I swear nobody ever jumped to my rock bottom on elementary school. I was the strongest non fat kid
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 10, 2013 14:23:43 GMT -5
The figure 4 reversal that hurts the other person just because you both turned over. Almost all wrestling submission holds do hurt if you want them to (including the figure 4 itself)...and then there's this reversal that isn't grounded in reality at all. In fact not only would it not hurt the person doing the move, if the applicator of the move just keeps pressing down on the crossed leg the move will still hurt the recipient the same way it did when they were face up. Have you tried it? I did it in grade school and the reversal worked.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 10, 2013 14:35:47 GMT -5
I once bruised a kids shoulder so bad teachers thought it was dislocated when I gave him a rock bottom in elementary school. I swear nobody ever jumped to my rock bottom on elementary school. I was the strongest non fat kid How did you lift him.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 10, 2013 14:50:15 GMT -5
Flying Headscissors and Hurracanrana. Wouldn't logic and gravity dictate that you'd drop down without taking your opponent over if you tried that in real life?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 14:51:01 GMT -5
I once bruised a kids shoulder so bad teachers thought it was dislocated when I gave him a rock bottom in elementary school. I swear nobody ever jumped to my rock bottom on elementary school. I was the strongest non fat kid How did you lift him. Left arm grabbing the hip (depending on strength and weight), bend knees and go on tippy toes? unbend knees really fast while moving your back forward while left arm on guys hip gives initial left and right hand curls into guys back giving you a place for an extra lift and you jump slightly on your tippy toes so you fall flat on stomach. If the person is really light you don't need to put hand on hip since you can lift him up with the one hand on his back and your tippy toe bounce It's been a while since I rock bottomed someone. bookend was easier to do since you just wrap your arm around the stomach and lift. These are the most ridiculous instructions I ever gave out and I feel stupid on how stupid this all sounds. The only wrestling move that seems possible to do in a real fight is a piledriver in which I did once when someone tried to tackle me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 15:03:37 GMT -5
That mctwist clothesline sell is pretty stupid.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 10, 2013 15:14:27 GMT -5
The figure 4 reversal that hurts the other person just because you both turned over. Almost all wrestling submission holds do hurt if you want them to (including the figure 4 itself)...and then there's this reversal that isn't grounded in reality at all. In fact not only would it not hurt the person doing the move, if the applicator of the move just keeps pressing down on the crossed leg the move will still hurt the recipient the same way it did when they were face up. Have you tried it? I did it and grade school and the reversal worked. with the figure four reversal I think the case is the bottom leg is no longer trapped to the mat so it can be romoved
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 15:34:31 GMT -5
RKO has to be the lamest shit ever. Just stand and watch Randy fall on hos back.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 10, 2013 16:02:45 GMT -5
Unless you actually connect on the throat/face, most clotheslines would do way more damage to your arm/shoulder than they would ever do to your opponent. The chest is a very stable part of the body, the arm however? Most of that force would tear your shoulder joint apart before you did any real damage to an opponents chest..
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 10, 2013 16:03:43 GMT -5
Have you tried it? I did it and grade school and the reversal worked. with the figure four reversal I think the case is the bottom leg is no longer trapped to the mat so it can be romoved You could remove it but you can also apply pressure. The giver has to press down with his leg, while the guy who reversed it is lifting his leg up to apply pressure, like you're kicking, even though you're facing down.
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Post by Joshie el Gato Rey on Nov 10, 2013 16:11:44 GMT -5
If you're wondering how these moves exist, And other wrestling facts (lalala) Then repeat to yourself "It's just a show", We at FAN should just relax.
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