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Post by gnr123 on Dec 10, 2013 15:17:33 GMT -5
It's the hypocritical double-standards with Cena. Someone like The Rock can go out there and say "Finally, The Rock has come back to Seattle," that's ok. John Cena uses the hometown boy to his advantage, "how dare he!" It's what faces do, they pander to the crowd, it's been happening since wrestling began. I don't understand why Cena's not allowed to do what so many before him would have done. It's because when Cena pathetically uses Daniel Bryan as a crowd-shield, he makes him look like his plucky sidekick. What was he supposed to do, allow the crowd to continue to shit all over the promo? He used Bryan to get the crowd back into the promo, he used Bryan to his advantage to get the crowd into the segment. There's nothing wrong with that, in fact it's a good thing he did it.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Dec 10, 2013 16:33:15 GMT -5
Cena: "It's funny...I couldn't help but notice you said the word "work"". *continues to work the audience and gets the cheapest pop ever by using Bryan* And the funniest thing to me is how the oh-so-smarky-we're-too-cool-for-WWE crowd ate it up like the little marks they are. Edit: His promo also made as little sense as the week before, up to kissing Triple H's ass. It was a perfect heel promo. Man do I ever not get this whole 'work and 'mark' and 'smark' stuff. "Ha ha, you get tricked into enjoying yourself, you're not as smart as me"
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 10, 2013 16:52:10 GMT -5
It's the hypocritical double-standards with Cena. Someone like The Rock can go out there and say "Finally, The Rock has come back to Seattle," that's ok. John Cena uses the hometown boy to his advantage, "how dare he!" It's what faces do, they pander to the crowd, it's been happening since wrestling began. I don't understand why Cena's not allowed to do what so many before him would have done. It's because when Cena pathetically uses Daniel Bryan as a crowd-shield, he makes him look like his plucky sidekick. Cena is in an absolutely no win situation. A) He doesn't mention Bryan at all. People shit on him for ignoring the fans and not giving them what they want. B) He mentions Bryan. People shit on him for leeching off of Bryan. There is absolutely no right answer it seems for Cena. Cena's job is to sell the angle so it's not like he can just give Bryan a live mic to talk to the crowd for 10 minutes.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 10, 2013 16:55:17 GMT -5
Cena breaking that kayfabe again. I wish people could do it back. "Yeah I pooped in a bag but you divorced your wife By f***ing an old porn lady and now pretend to love a Bella for a TV show"
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 10, 2013 17:03:07 GMT -5
Cena breaking that kayfabe again. I wish people could do it back. "Yeah I pooped in a bag but you divorced your wife By f***ing an old porn lady and now pretend to love a Bella for a TV show" Reading this in Randy Orton's voice and it's hilarious.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 10, 2013 17:07:00 GMT -5
It's the hypocritical double-standards with Cena. Someone like The Rock can go out there and say "Finally, The Rock has come back to Seattle," that's ok. John Cena uses the hometown boy to his advantage, "how dare he!" It's what faces do, they pander to the crowd, it's been happening since wrestling began. I don't understand why Cena's not allowed to do what so many before him would have done. But Bryan's from the area, and is a legit Seahawks fan. It's nothing like Cena or Rocky's cheap pops. It's catering to the home crowd to get them to respond the way you want them to. It's exactly the same. Whether he's from the area is irrelevant, he had no reason to yell it except to please the crowd, especially considering they were behind him anyways. A cheap pop is a cheap pop. And it's not a bad thing that it is the same. That's what wrestlers are supposed to do, it's their job to get the people interested in what they're doing, and if a wrestler didn't address what the local crowd wanted, whether going against it as a heel or pandering to it as a face, then they'd be doing their job poorly. They're in the business to get a response, and they get a response based on what they think the crowd is interested in hearing or seeing. Everytime they engage the crowd primarily, if they get a response, then they did their job.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 10, 2013 17:09:21 GMT -5
It's the hypocritical double-standards with Cena. Someone like The Rock can go out there and say "Finally, The Rock has come back to Seattle," that's ok. John Cena uses the hometown boy to his advantage, "how dare he!" It's what faces do, they pander to the crowd, it's been happening since wrestling began. I don't understand why Cena's not allowed to do what so many before him would have done. It's because when Cena pathetically uses Daniel Bryan as a crowd-shield, he makes him look like his plucky sidekick. what are you going to do when they're brother in laws?
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Post by machomuta on Dec 10, 2013 17:25:03 GMT -5
Can't really fault Cena for 'pandering' when Bryan yelled 'GO SEAHAWKS' for no reason whatsoever on the same show. Babyfaces! It's the hypocritical double-standards with Cena. Someone like The Rock can go out there and say "Finally, The Rock has come back to Seattle," that's ok. John Cena uses the hometown boy to his advantage, "how dare he!" It's what faces do, they pander to the crowd, it's been happening since wrestling began. I don't understand why Cena's not allowed to do what so many before him would have done. Because they are hypocritical haters. The Cena haters will never praise any good things he does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 18:24:13 GMT -5
It's the hypocritical double-standards with Cena. Someone like The Rock can go out there and say "Finally, The Rock has come back to Seattle," that's ok. John Cena uses the hometown boy to his advantage, "how dare he!" It's what faces do, they pander to the crowd, it's been happening since wrestling began. I don't understand why Cena's not allowed to do what so many before him would have done. Because they are hypocritical haters. The Cena haters will never praise any good things he does. There's pandering (which is what EVERY wrestler does, face or heel, from Stone Cold to Brie Bella, you mention the area/sports team/shout out for them to respond then it's pandering in one way or the other to warm up said crowd) and then there's taking someone else's support to siphon it into a feud which should realistically have them involved in the match. See, just like Big Show replacing Bryan for no obvious logical reason 2 months ago, Cena realizing the crowd was not accepting anyone but Bryan and using that to say why he was facing Orton was pretty odd. It was smart, Cena's not stupid, he's a great promo guy (as goods as he is in ring consistently), but when the content of said promo is steaming hot garbage bags of nonacceptance when you look past the crowd response (which I think is 60% of all of wrestling) and realize that in kayfabe terms Daniel Bryan should be in his place instead of getting "first rematch, buddy" it's just shoddy makeshift typical WWE we have to get to January Road to Wrestlemania Rumble mode. It's not Cena's fault personally, a few months ago wasn't Big Show's fault personally, after Wrestlemania 28 it wasn't Sheamus' fault personally, but the writing for said characters was odd/inconsistent/a logical fallacy loaf.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 10, 2013 18:38:15 GMT -5
Because they are hypocritical haters. The Cena haters will never praise any good things he does. There's pandering (which is what EVERY wrestler does, face or heel, from Stone Cold to Brie Bella, you mention the area/sports team/shout out for them to respond then it's pandering in one way or the other to warm up said crowd) and then there's taking someone else's support to siphon it into a feud which should realistically have them involved in the match. See, just like Big Show replacing Bryan for no obvious logical reason 2 months ago, Cena realizing the crowd was not accepting anyone but Bryan and using that to say why he was facing Orton was pretty odd. It was smart, Cena's not stupid, he's a great promo guy (as goods as he is in ring consistently), but when the content of said promo is steaming hot garbage bags of nonacceptance when you look past the crowd response (which I think is 60% of all of wrestling) and realize that in kayfabe terms Daniel Bryan should be in his place instead of getting "first rematch, buddy" it's just shoddy makeshift typical WWE we have to get to January Road to Wrestlemania Rumble mode. It's not Cena's fault personally, a few months ago wasn't Big Show's fault personally, after Wrestlemania 28 it wasn't Sheamus' fault personally, but the writing for said characters was odd/inconsistent/a logical fallacy loaf. What did they need to do with that segment instead? Turn it into a Triple Threat with Bryan right then and there?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 18:47:44 GMT -5
There's pandering (which is what EVERY wrestler does, face or heel, from Stone Cold to Brie Bella, you mention the area/sports team/shout out for them to respond then it's pandering in one way or the other to warm up said crowd) and then there's taking someone else's support to siphon it into a feud which should realistically have them involved in the match. See, just like Big Show replacing Bryan for no obvious logical reason 2 months ago, Cena realizing the crowd was not accepting anyone but Bryan and using that to say why he was facing Orton was pretty odd. It was smart, Cena's not stupid, he's a great promo guy (as goods as he is in ring consistently), but when the content of said promo is steaming hot garbage bags of nonacceptance when you look past the crowd response (which I think is 60% of all of wrestling) and realize that in kayfabe terms Daniel Bryan should be in his place instead of getting "first rematch, buddy" it's just shoddy makeshift typical WWE we have to get to January Road to Wrestlemania Rumble mode. It's not Cena's fault personally, a few months ago wasn't Big Show's fault personally, after Wrestlemania 28 it wasn't Sheamus' fault personally, but the writing for said characters was odd/inconsistent/a logical fallacy loaf. What did they need to do with that segment instead? Turn it into a Triple Threat with Bryan right then and there? No, I'm not a big fan of totally random focus changes done out of panic on one night, this isn't a scenario where a one night improv story will improve things, it's a deeper philosophical change that needs to happen. Was just trying to raise the point that it's not Cena hate that most people are using to dislike the segment, that the logical problems stem from the WWE recently relying on the same booking of guys in the vain hope that things will have changed in fan response. Bryan should be with the title right now or at least involved in the feud (I know they may well be holding off for a D-Bry Road to WM run, but canon considerations are important in my head), just like I feel Ryback should have beaten Punk at Hell in a Cell 2012 when he was getting responses which made the camera shake, they need to reboot how they write in the main event the same way they have done for the tag division right now, a mix of old & new teams working match after match and furthering feuds which we may not have seen before, or if we have adding new story elements to it. Make the guys getting the big responses the center piece of the show. Build for those people, not those that fail to get desired responses after months. If people fail to get desired responses then they need to re-write their characters like they did with Cesaro, an undoubtedly great wrestler whose lack of interesting character seemed to make fans ignore him upon call up. If they ARE getting desired responses you make them an important part of their divisions. Strike whilst the iron is hot and all that.
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Post by HBL on Dec 11, 2013 15:47:21 GMT -5
It was amazing,he handled the entire situation like a boss. Delivering such a great promo with such a hostile crowd takes a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 17:12:29 GMT -5
It's because when Cena pathetically uses Daniel Bryan as a crowd-shield, he makes him look like his plucky sidekick. Cena is in an absolutely no win situation. A) He doesn't mention Bryan at all. People shit on him for ignoring the fans and not giving them what they want. B) He mentions Bryan. People shit on him for leeching off of Bryan. There is absolutely no right answer it seems for Cena. Cena's job is to sell the angle so it's not like he can just give Bryan a live mic to talk to the crowd for 10 minutes. If Cena discovered the cure for Cancer, people would still be complaining that.... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Cena wins
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