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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 19, 2013 19:47:19 GMT -5
They're just going to blame Big Show because he's any easy scapegoat. The truth is that it failed due to the way they dished out garbage for three months and pushed the one guy people were excited over down the card. For all the shit talking WWE loves to do about WCW, you didn't see Bischoff do this with Goldberg.
I'm just at a loss at this point. They know which guys get the loudest reactions and they can track who sells the most merchandise. That's pretty much a connect-the-dots of how to book the shows.
They just need to get rid of their giant writing staff of non-wrestling people. It's not f***ing SNL. Theyy are a wrestling company. If they one day realize this their numbers will begin to fix themselves.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 19, 2013 19:50:21 GMT -5
Well, that answers definitively whether its Bryan who caused the buyrate drop, or WWE's shitty booking of the Authority angle over all. They had Cena in a top slot, and Orton vs Show, and they *still* did this number. I think it's time to rethink the structure of that angle entirely; or maybe do something drastic, creatively. The status quo can't even draw anymore. Not a good sign. The way that's phrased makes it seem like you're saying Orton vs. Show should have drawn if the angle was better. That's ridiculous, no one wants to see Big Show in the main event in 2013. I don't think that at all. But I think they honestly did. I truly think WWE thought (and a few people on here tried to defend it by stating that Show was as over or more so than Bryan when it was obvious that was not the case) that this change-up would produce better results because A) They believe that Cena is always the answer; and B) that Show had the "meatier" storyline, despite how stupidly produced, overacted and emasculating it was. WWE went to the well with the same stupid stale bullshit again, and pulled up a waterlogged turd. Now they need to figure out what's next. OR, heaven forbid, they weather the storm and just give the audience what they actually want right now, and hope that ratings and buyrates follow suit like they did in 1998. Because, right now, "the proven draws" aren't drawing anymore either.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 19, 2013 19:51:36 GMT -5
They're just going to blame Big Show because he's any easy scapegoat. The truth is that it failed due to the way they dished out garbage for three months and pushed the one guy people were excited over down the card. For all the shit talking WWE loves to do about WCW, you didn't see Bischoff do this with Goldberg. I'm just at a loss at this point. They know which guys get the loudest reactions and they can track who sells the most merchandise. That's pretty much a connect-the-dots of how to book the shows. They just need to get rid of their giant writing staff of non-wrestling people. It's not f***ing SNL. Theyy are a wrestling company. If they one day realize this their numbers will begin to fix themselves. It is not the writers. It's Vince and his Yes-Men producers like Dunn.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 19, 2013 19:51:54 GMT -5
So could this have been the LAST Survivor Series? It was originally taken off the 2013 PPV last year for a time IIRC. Certainly this buyrate won;t do the PPV any favors. Honestly, I could care less if they get rid of all 'traditional' SS elimination matches, I just desperately want them to keep the PPV name. It would be like a knife in the heart to see it scrapped after 26 years in favor of "WWE Triple Threat" or some other bullshit. I get what you mean, but I could see WWE doing the opposite. Like they get rid of the PPV name then still have an elimination match. WWE has done more head scratching things. On a related note I was actually at this years event live and the opening elimination match probably got the second best reaction of the night (and IMHO was the best all around match). The women's elimination match sucked ass of course, but still.
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Post by Error on Dec 19, 2013 19:52:04 GMT -5
95,000 North America 84,000 International 179,000 total -F4W Well, that answers definitively whether its Bryan who caused the buyrate drop, or WWE's shitty booking of the Authority angle over all. They had Cena in a top slot, and Orton vs Show, and they *still* did this number. I think it's time to rethink the structure of that angle entirely; or maybe do something drastic, creatively. The status quo can't even draw anymore. Not a good sign. Do you think it is the angle or the champ? I am on record as a huge Orton fan but I cannot deny that every time they put him on top things start falling no matter who surrounds him.
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Post by cool guy on Dec 19, 2013 19:56:34 GMT -5
Well, that answers definitively whether its Bryan who caused the buyrate drop, or WWE's shitty booking of the Authority angle over all. They had Cena in a top slot, and Orton vs Show, and they *still* did this number. I think it's time to rethink the structure of that angle entirely; or maybe do something drastic, creatively. The status quo can't even draw anymore. Not a good sign. Do you think it is the angle or the champ? I am on record as a huge Orton fan but I cannot deny that every time they put him on top things start falling no matter who surrounds him. Yeah, I honestly like the Authority angle, but I kind of assumed Orton would be phased out as their representative and I'm a little disappointed to see it not happening. He just seems like a 2nd-tier villain, no matter how hard they try to sell him to us.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 19, 2013 19:57:40 GMT -5
You had a guy get incredibly hot to the point where he won the title clean on Summerslam. They took the belt away from him, screwed him over repeatedly, and then took him away from the title picture without getting clean retribution at any point. In NO WRESTLING PROMOTION EVER does this make sense. Forget whether he is an internet darling or not. Imagine Hogan being booked like this, Macho, Bret, HBK, Stone Cold, Rock. It's a shitty way to book an up and coming main eventer, and there is no counter debate. They deserve shitty buyrates for the insufferable "we know whats best" mentality. I'm going to be the one with the counter debate ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) They're having him rise up only to fall short/get screwed over to build sympathy for him so that when he does finally win the title and hold it the moment is made that much sweeter. It's working as evident by the fact the fans chant Bryan's name during segments he's not involved in. And people forget when Stone Cold started getting over he wasn't pushed to the moon, they let it organically grow (albeit alot faster than Bryan, but you have to bear in mind in them days everything was accelerated compared to nowadays when they do things a bit slower) Plus it kind of makes the fans feel a part of Bryans success as they have been chanting for him through all his downs, so once he hits an up everyone is going to feel so proud of the person they believed in and rooted for. I think Bryan along with the tag team divison are the two things WWE are handling correctly at the moment. I didn't word this very elegantly but I think the gist of it is there. But they didn't need to build sympathy. He already had it. He was already the most over guy on the roster. That is when you pull the trigger. What did that build get him? Screwed over and sent to the midcard. Was Big Show being put in his spot and given his yes chant to build sympathy? In a way it might have, but it was more like an effort to keep one of those status quo players in their holding pattern. Besides it would only make sense to keep screwing him over if the heels that are doing it are over, like the Horsemen or the nWo. As for the Austin thing, it took two years because he was out for a chunk of that time with a broken neck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 19:57:53 GMT -5
Here's hoping TLC's even lower. Though even if it is I doubt they'll learn anything from it.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 19, 2013 20:01:43 GMT -5
Well, that answers definitively whether its Bryan who caused the buyrate drop, or WWE's shitty booking of the Authority angle over all. They had Cena in a top slot, and Orton vs Show, and they *still* did this number. I think it's time to rethink the structure of that angle entirely; or maybe do something drastic, creatively. The status quo can't even draw anymore. Not a good sign. Do you think it is the angle or the champ? I am on record as a huge Orton fan but I cannot deny that every time they put him on top things start falling no matter who surrounds him. I'm torn on this. As easy as it would be to make Orton the scapegoat, I feel like the booking has made him, the Champion, an absolute afterthought. HHH and Stephanie are actually the monster heels, and Orton is simply their emasculated, pampered, subservient paper champion. It's hard to buy into him and his actual title defenses because of this. And by proxy, he's hard to blame. He's basically an afterthought because everything comes down to whether HHH and Stephanie --a man who has yet to get any real sense of comeuppance or show any true vulnerability; and his wife: a woman who should be knocked on her ass but won't because of company mandates-- get involved. EVERYTHING is built around them, their interference, their lack of interference, their rotteness one week, their fake bravado the next. If anything has failed, it's their entire act. There's no satisfaction or even a glimmer of hope or end to end to it. Their characters are contradicting and completely bipolar.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Dec 19, 2013 20:01:52 GMT -5
I like the Big Show, but there's no way he should have been headlining this PPV. A terrible decision from the WWE & they deserved the buyrate they got.
A better card would have been: Show vs. HHH & Orton vs. Bryan for the WWE Title. I don't understand why Big Show wouldn't have wanted to face HHH instead, he's the one causing him all his problems. It makes more sense in my head, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 20:03:21 GMT -5
PPV is a dying concept for wrestling, it works for boxing and the UFC because if you want to see the elite fighters you have to pay to see them fight whereas the WWE is oversaturated to the point of insouciance. Combine that with one of the most poorly written angles in memory that is pretty obviously limping along so that they can stretch it out to Mania season and there you have it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 20:05:03 GMT -5
So an event headlined by Orton/Big Show, and Cena/Del Rio does poorly. Who gets the blame for this one? Daniel Bryan
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Post by Chip on Dec 19, 2013 20:05:19 GMT -5
One of the Big 4 my ass. MITB and Extreme Rules are bigger then Survivor Series at this point.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 19, 2013 20:06:29 GMT -5
I don't care if people are being serious or not, no they are not blaming Bryan. Please stop with this, it's annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 20:10:14 GMT -5
I'd assume that anyone who ordered the PPVs before this were like this when it came to ordering this time around.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 19, 2013 20:12:48 GMT -5
PPV is a dying concept for wrestling, it works for boxing and the UFC because if you want to see the elite fighters you have to pay to see them fight whereas the WWE is oversaturated to the point of insouciance. Combine that with one of the most poorly written angles in memory that is pretty obviously limping along so that they can stretch it out to Mania season and there you have it. I'd like it if they struck another deal with NBC to bring back Saturday Night's main event during SNL's off season. They'd probably make more money of ad revenue than PPV purchases at this point. Reduce the PPV schedule (to no more than six) and use SNME to promote the handful of PPV's they keep.
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Post by Spearmint* on Dec 19, 2013 20:13:12 GMT -5
You had a guy get incredibly hot to the point where he won the title clean on Summerslam. They took the belt away from him, screwed him over repeatedly, and then took him away from the title picture without getting clean retribution at any point. In NO WRESTLING PROMOTION EVER does this make sense. Forget whether he is an internet darling or not. Imagine Hogan being booked like this, Macho, Bret, HBK, Stone Cold, Rock. It's a shitty way to book an up and coming main eventer, and there is no counter debate. They deserve shitty buyrates for the insufferable "we know whats best" mentality. This is a great post so I thought I'd quote it, so it can live on another page for more to see. Anyway, what I was going to say was; I honestly believe Big Show is very over, but not in a "Man lets buy this PPV to see his main event match" style of over, more of a "live crowd only" over. In that he pops the live crowd as ,lets face it, he's a special attraction; a freakin' giant wrestler! We watching at home still get some enjoyment of that, but he's been wrestling for over ten years now and people get now that he doesn't have the type of great matches you order PPVs for. But WWE should know that by now, they should know not to put Big Show in the very main event. And maybe if the pattern with the recent PPV numbers keeps going down like this and as you notice all that changes in the main event is the opponents for Randy Orton's match...well just maybe you have your answer as to why PPV numbers are down
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 20:15:33 GMT -5
PPV is a dying concept for wrestling, it works for boxing and the UFC because if you want to see the elite fighters you have to pay to see them fight whereas the WWE is oversaturated to the point of insouciance. Combine that with one of the most poorly written angles in memory that is pretty obviously limping along so that they can stretch it out to Mania season and there you have it. I'd like it if they struck another deal with NBC to bring back Saturday Night's main event during SNL's off season. They'd probably make more money of ad revenue than PPV purchases at this point. Reduce the PPV schedule (to no more than six) and use SNME to promote the handful of PPV's they keep. I rather doubt it'll ever happen - the previous SNME comebacks mostly did awful ratings.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 19, 2013 20:16:33 GMT -5
Anyway, what I was going to say was; I honestly believe Big Show is very over, but not in a "Man lets buy this PPV to see his main event match" style of over, more of a "live crowd only" over. In that he pops the live crowd as ,lets face it, he's a special attraction; a freakin' giant wrestler! We watching at home still get some enjoyment of that, but he's been wrestling for over ten years now and people get now that he doesn't have the type of great matches you order PPVs for. That's an understatement. He's been wrestling since 1995. Closer to twenty years.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 19, 2013 20:17:20 GMT -5
I get the sense that the majority have finally realised something that most of us have probably known for a long time, and that's the only things that'll happen that are worth a damn will be at the Rumble and at WrestleMania. And people are withholding their money thusly.
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