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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 10:46:04 GMT -5
They get most of the PPV's "free". I don't remember if this is one of them though. I think it's down to just three "free" PPVs a year in the UK now. In 2013 the "free" PPVs were Elimination Chamber, Money in the Bank, Battleground and TLC. So 4 out of 13.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 11:25:08 GMT -5
So who's gonna get blamed for this? The Miz, obviously. His performance on the kick-off was so bad, people asked for refunds for the main show.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 21, 2013 11:32:16 GMT -5
They won't build new stars, their established stars are stale, and the entire tone of the product encourages the audience to take nothing seriously and not be invested emotionally in the content of the programming because disappointment is the only outcome, so it's not surprising that, other than, I presume, a hardcore audience, people aren't willing to pay for the shit they are being served.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 11:32:41 GMT -5
WWE will blame everything and everyone in order to avoid confronting the real reason for their shitty product. The answer to the question 'Who will WWE blame' will always be 'everybody but themselves'.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 21, 2013 16:12:32 GMT -5
Combination of poor booking, champions that can't draw and opponents in title matches at recent PPVs that there's little real interest in.
What needs to happen is they need a quick and rapid injection of new talent in the main event seen. 4, 5, 6 people. Orton maybe isn't a great choice for champion, Cena is tired, Del Rio is awful, Big Show is a decade past being a draw and if ratings and buyrates are anything to go by the "Yes!" chants are a hugely misleading of Bryan's popularity.
IMO guys I'd like to see pushed in main event spots are:
The Shield (as a big 'blow off' match first, then as individuals in their own right) Fandango - really, GREAT character, evil dancer heel, could be a genius main eventer, something nobody expects. Old school sly-cowardly heel. Bad News (Wade) Barrett Sheamus - I know been there before but he's been away for a while Titus O'Neil Bray Wyatt Darren Young - good looking young guy, not everywhere may take to him but give it a chance
I think with maybe one or two others that has the potential to be a top bunch of main eventers raging from great characters to very good workers.
It's time to go for it now. Survivor Series getting less than 100,000 buys in the US. If it's not now it's never.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 21, 2013 17:22:52 GMT -5
This was actually the only PPV I've bought since Summerslam. And honestly I only did it because it was Survivor Series and that used to be my favorite show as a kid so I still have a soft spot for it.
My interest in the product is at an all time low. Survivor Series was the first show I watched from beginning to end since Summerslam and I felt nothing. The show is not interesting or fun. I never thought my interest would ever be as low as it is now. I have been a wrestling fanatic since I was a toddler. I still love wrestling. If given the choice between good wrestling and any other form of entertainment, I would choose wrestling every time. That part of me has not faded. I can throw in a random episode of WCW Saturday Night from 20 years ago and be engrossed in it from beginning to end. But today's show does nothing for me. None of the matches get me excited and none of the characters capture my interest. I don't know what can fix that.
I would love to see them just say f*** it and run with Daniel Bryan because at least he's over and unique. But him as a well booked champion would still have Michael Cole on commentary telling me that tweeting and watching this week's episode of Total Divas is more important than this match I'm watching. It would still have 75% of Raw featuring directionless guys continuing in their best of infinity round robin tournament. The whole package is just toxic right now. There honestly is not any show that I even remotely like that I wouldn't watch over Raw right now. They've ruined my fandom,
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Dec 21, 2013 17:40:30 GMT -5
Back in the day. Paul Boesch would tell people a laundry list of reasons a show wouldn't do well such as...
-The economy is down -There was another show in town -The weather was bad
..and so on, and then at the end, he would comment on how all those excuses were just excuses. It came down to the fact that he promoted a show that people didn't want to see.
That's the basis of this number for WWE. They didn't want to see that main event or that card and they didn't order.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 21, 2013 17:43:06 GMT -5
The Shield (as a big 'blow off' match first, then as individuals in their own right) Fandango - really, GREAT character, evil dancer heel, could be a genius main eventer, something nobody expects. Old school sly-cowardly heel. Bad News (Wade) Barrett Sheamus - I know been there before but he's been away for a while Titus O'Neil Bray Wyatt Darren Young - good looking young guy, not everywhere may take to him but give it a chance I'd ditch Barrett, who's been given enough chances and failed to deliver, and give Damien Sandow a shot instead, but otherwise this is a solid list.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2013 21:00:38 GMT -5
The Shield (as a big 'blow off' match first, then as individuals in their own right) Fandango - really, GREAT character, evil dancer heel, could be a genius main eventer, something nobody expects. Old school sly-cowardly heel. Bad News (Wade) Barrett Sheamus - I know been there before but he's been away for a while Titus O'Neil Bray Wyatt Darren Young - good looking young guy, not everywhere may take to him but give it a chance I'd ditch Barrett, who's been given enough chances and failed to deliver, and give Damien Sandow a shot instead, but otherwise this is a solid list. Agreed. No matter how much you repackage Barrett, it's just the same, dull guy the fans haven't bought since Nexus.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 22, 2013 11:03:46 GMT -5
Barrett's been given shit to work with. It's no wonder he can't get over. Even Nexus was sabotaged in favour of pushing Cena as a superhuman once again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 13:40:33 GMT -5
Barrett's been given shit to work with. It's no wonder he can't get over. Even Nexus was sabotaged in favour of pushing Cena as a superhuman once again. Plus, while he's solid in the ring the guy's main strength is talking, which outside of Nexus and Bad News Barrett he's basically never gotten the chance to do. Also, how the hell have they not had him use his surprise asshole interviewer character on TV? That'd have way more of a shelf life and be a lot more entertaining than Bad News Barrett is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 13:45:21 GMT -5
Barrett's been given shit to work with. It's no wonder he can't get over. Even Nexus was sabotaged in favour of pushing Cena as a superhuman once again. Exactly. I'd like to know what are these supposed "chances" Wade has had other than Nexus, which he hit a home run with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 13:51:38 GMT -5
To me, Barrett is simply too dry to be a viable main event talent. He'd be a really good heel commentator or something like that, but there's nothing fun over over the top about him. Orton's pretty dry himself, but he's got crazy body language and mannerisms to whip the crowd into a frenzy. Barrett's just sort of a dick, with a smooth accent.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 22, 2013 13:58:10 GMT -5
To me, Barrett is simply too dry to be a viable main event talent. He'd be a really good heel commentator or something like that, but there's nothing fun over over the top about him. Orton's pretty dry himself, but he's got crazy body language and mannerisms to whip the crowd into a frenzy. Barrett's just sort of a dick, with a smooth accent. This sums him up pretty well for me. He's solid, but never spectacular. He can definitely talk, but beyond that he's pretty by-the-numbers.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 23, 2013 0:55:02 GMT -5
Creative seem to be trying too many things at once trying to juggle the main event talent and keep all their 'balls in the air' so to speak. It's actually a good problem to have because it shows that creative is giving everyone (even the Divas! and incredibly even Miz, Kofi and Tons of frickin' Funk) equal time to get over on PPVs, no less.
But with that juggling act comes nonsensical booking. HBK superkicks Bryan out of the WWE title-- no repurcussions or payoff Bryan's just f***ed. HBK superkicks CM Punk-- again no repurcussions since Shawn Michaels isn't an active wrestler. Oh but by all means tease the 'one more match' thing at the Slammy's and the last RAW when CM Punk called out HHH (another non-wrestler sorta) and got HBK instead who actually refused to take the bait on address his cheap SCM shot to Punk.
And the 3 on 1 handicap matches I have no earthly idea why someone thought those were a good idea. But making your 2 best 3-man teams either job or nearly job to a singles wrestler should never be done. CM Punk winning means nothing because he clearly got lucky, and it clearly was not a fair fight. Bryan losing means nothing for the same reason, and worst of all Bray Wyatt didn't even forcibly induct him into the Wyatt Family like he sorta did with Corporate Kane (would've been awesome if they actually tied Kane's selling out back to him losing the Inferno Match, tying Kane's booking Bryan into him trying to reform Team Hell No under the Authority's leadership via the Wyatt Family somehow-- damn even that convoluted mess of a storyline would've been better than Bryan just being giving a match against the Undisputed Champ immediately after losing at the PPV while Punk gets nothing despite winning his handicap match).
/end rant
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